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03-13-2012, 07:44 PM
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Sestito's not going to fight John Scott or Eric Boulton though.
neither is shelley. He can't get close enough to them. I remember at the start of the season, he was actually pleading for someone to fight him.

It doesn't get worse than that

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03-13-2012, 08:39 PM
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neither is shelley. He can't get close enough to them. I remember at the start of the season, he was actually pleading for someone to fight him.

It doesn't get worse than that
Those guys are in the same boat as Shelley lol. Boulton is -12 or something in 45 games.

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03-14-2012, 11:12 AM
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all these young players are great and all but the flyers are a big market max cap team also i dont put it past pronger to try and make a return

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Jakub Voracek ($2.500m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.000m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

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Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Ryan Suter ($7.500m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Nicklas Grossman ($1.800m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.875m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)

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Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

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03-14-2012, 11:20 AM
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1.8m for Grossmann is a joke. He could go for as much as twice that and will easily be over 3m/year. 2.5M for voracek, also not happening.

8 defensemen?

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03-14-2012, 11:23 AM
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1.8m for Grossmann is a joke. He could go for as much as twice that and will easily be over 3m/year. 2.5M for voracek, also not happening.

8 defensemen?
Gotta remember though, defensive d-men typically dont get paid as much as a puck moving player gets paid. I think he will get 3.0 pretty much on the dot. He honestly has no offensive ability which will lower his pricing a bit.

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03-14-2012, 11:26 AM
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all these young players are great and all but the flyers are a big market max cap team also i dont put it past pronger to try and make a return
as much as I would love to see pronger healthy and playing again I think that would be a very poor decision for him personally. I think even if he makes a full recovery by next year or whatever that he'll decide to stay out just because of the risk of reoccurrence

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03-14-2012, 11:26 AM
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as much as I would love to see pronger healthy and playing again I think that would be a very poor decision for him personally. I think even if he makes a full recovery by next year or whatever that he'll decide to stay out just because of the risk of reoccurrence
It would also be a very poor decision to base our offseason on the possibility that he might return.

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03-14-2012, 11:30 AM
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1.8m for Grossmann is a joke. He could go for as much as twice that and will easily be over 3m/year. 2.5M for voracek, also not happening.

8 defensemen?
I agree. I'm think the two sign for 3 - 3.5 each.

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03-14-2012, 02:38 PM
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Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.250m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Pavel Kubina ($3.850m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,496,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
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03-14-2012, 02:39 PM
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Hartnell Giroux Simmonds
JVR Briere Voracek
Read Schenn Wellwood
Rinaldo Couturier Talbot

Timonen - Grossman
Mezaros - Coburn
Gustafsson - Manning/Bourdon
Pronger(if he returns he goes into the line-up obviously)

Bryzwallov
Any backup in the league for under a million.

Attempt to move Briere ( couturier moves into top 3 centre role)
Attempt to sign Suter. No more than 6.5 million though.
Resign Voracek and Grossmann. 3 mil each, 3 years for Vora, 2 for Grossman.

Release Carle
Release Jagr

That's all I want to see.

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03-14-2012, 02:43 PM
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Hartnell 4.2 Giroux 3.75 Briere 6.5 -------14.45
JVR 4.25 Schenn 3.1 Simmonds 1.75 -------9.1
Read .9 Couturier 1.375 Voracek 3.3 -------5.575
Wellwood .6 Gaustad 2.5 Talbot 1.75 ------4.83
Rinaldo/Sestito



Suter 6.8 Timonen 6.3 ----------------13.1
Coburn 4.5 Grossmann 3.25 ----------------7.75
Meszaros 4 Kubina 1.75 ----------------5.75
Gust .9

Bryzgalov 5.6
Back up .9

Was doing it this morning.
Jagr
Carle
Bobrovsky traded to move up 4 Ceci

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03-14-2012, 08:30 PM
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Any chance nick cousins could crack the lineup next year? He is having a tremendous year in junior as a surprising offensive force and is a super pest...might be a good fourth line player

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03-14-2012, 08:31 PM
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Any chance nick cousins could crack the lineup next year? He is having a tremendous year in junior as a surprising offensive force and is a super pest...might be a good fourth line player
Doubt it. Depends on camp/who we sign.

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03-14-2012, 09:16 PM
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Any chance nick cousins could crack the lineup next year? He is having a tremendous year in junior as a surprising offensive force and is a super pest...might be a good fourth line player
He'll get his chance, I'm sure. I would worry about someone like Wellwood getting 3rd / 4th line duty beforehand because he's *clearly* ready where Cousins is not necessarily.

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03-14-2012, 09:33 PM
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Not all that different from others, though I went relatively low ($68 mil) on the cap.

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Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.250m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.50m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
/ Tom Sestito ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Ryan Suter ($7.250m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossman ($3.000m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

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SALARY CAP: $68,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $71,271,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $283,056

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03-14-2012, 09:39 PM
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This seems more likely what will happen rather than what people (perhaps rightly) would prefer.

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Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($2.500m / $3.00m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.500m) (Good luck having the puck, ever.)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
/ / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nicklas Grossman ($3.000m) / Matt Carle ($5.200m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Brandon Manning ($0.900m)
/ Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,696,944; BONUSES: $3,715,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$1,396,944

Notes:

If the cap goes up as per reports and adjusting for the bonuses should be able to fit.

Rinaldo and Sestito can be swapped.
Mez is dealt for a pick. I suppose you could keep him if you dealt Bob and got a dirt cheap backup and the cap went up enough.
Carle is resigned to market value (sorry guys).
Read can move up and down the lines during the game. He won't have to stay in 4th.
Wellwood can press box if more grit is needed and put in Rinaldo.
Grossman is resigned. Kubina not.
Manning can be replaced by Bourdon.

All four lines are scary.

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03-14-2012, 09:43 PM
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Brayden Schenn's cap hit is $3.1mm this year because there is no bonus cushion. There will likely be a bonus cushion next year, which means his cap hit will drop to around $900K.

The reason only $1.7mm counts this year is that one bonus was based on him playing 82 games. There are other bonuses that make up the difference between $1.7mm and his base salary. Ditto for Couturier and Bobrovsky. If there's a bonus cushion, the bonuses can be deferred and will not count against the cap next year.

As far as cap hits for the UFA's, my guess is that Jagr would return for close to what he's getting now. Voracek is probably due a raise, closer to $3mm, maybe $2.75mm. Sestito will get a marginal raise as a RFA.

On defense, I think Grossmann will get near $3mm. Carle is likely to command $5.25mm or so. I know everyone is gaga over Ryan Suter, but if he costs $2mm more than Carle, then I'd prefer keeping Matt Carle. Because spending an extra $2mm on Suter might mean you lose Grossmann...and I don't think Suter is a massive upgrade on Carle. He IS better than Carle, but it's hardly like Suter is Duncan Keith to Carle's MA Bourdon.

I think that Bobrovsky gets traded during the summer, and the Flyers target a solid, veteran back up(Sanford? Biron? Clemmenson?)

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03-14-2012, 09:45 PM
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According to Pierre LeBrun, on TSN, it looks like there will be no amnesty contract waive option. Furthermore, teams are anticipating a rollback of the cap by around 7%, and teams are expected to spend to $65 mil.

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03-14-2012, 10:52 PM
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According to Pierre LeBrun, on TSN, it looks like there will be no amnesty contract waive option. Furthermore, teams are anticipating a rollback of the cap by around 7%, and teams are expected to spend to $65 mil.
Interesting, but that's definitely a number we can live with. Homer said if he lands a big time dman free agent, he has salary he can move. I believe that would be Mez, but nobody knows but him.

I could live with this Roster!

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Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.000m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
/ / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Ryan Suter ($6.750m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossman ($3.225m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Pavel Kubina ($3.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

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CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,183,056

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you know, the Czech teenage witch.
Accidentally that thing really is on TV in here nowadays again...

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Accidentally that thing really is on TV in here nowadays again...
Spoiler alert: Don't get into watching Dallas, the whole last season is a dream sequence.

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Release Carle
Release Jagr

That's all I want to see.
i'd like to release you, don't dare to celebrate any Jagr - G or G - Jagr goal you gonna see that will come in the rest of season and in playoffs or ill call you hypocrite

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03-15-2012, 08:33 AM
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Interesting, but that's definitely a number we can live with. Homer said if he lands a big time dman free agent, he has salary he can move. I believe that would be Mez, but nobody knows but him.

I could live with this Roster!

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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.000m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
/ / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Ryan Suter ($6.750m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossman ($3.225m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Pavel Kubina ($3.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $65,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,871,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,183,056
Deal Bob for pick(s) and/or a backup goalie (if goalie not included, sign one for around $1 million). Use the extra dough, along with the space already available either to upgrade the fourth line with a face-off/defensive specialist or just keep the space for a deal later in the season if need-be.

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