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03-15-2012, 02:06 AM
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People said the same thing about so many players.

Henrik Sedin
Daniel Sedin
Phil Kessel
Ryan Kesler
Marian Gaborik
Jarome Iginla
Marian Hossa
Joffrey Lupul
Joe Thornton
Daniel Briere

They all improved vastly after 4 years of professional hockey (NHL level).
Should I continue?


BUT there are a million more players who completely flopped...steen, tlusty, that dude who went before both the sedins...so its really hard to judge, u never truly know what a player is gonna become.

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03-15-2012, 02:07 AM
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Don't really wanna give up on Schenn so early..but for the right offer i don't think you can stop yourself from trading him. Top 10 pick in upcoming draft + bottom 4 d man OR 4-7 pick...just my opinion.
dont need anymore bottom 4 dmen ...

top 10 pick is good enough imo ..

we could get 1 of:

Yakupov
Galchenyuk
Grigorenko
Forsberg
Faska
Murray
Dumba
Trouba
Reilly
Reinhart
etc

all who have similar or higher upsides ...

we just need to get someone who could either A) become a core top 6 forward B) a dman who could play defense and be able to pitch in offensively (and skate)

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03-15-2012, 02:07 AM
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top 10 pick in the draft and he's gone imo

maybe Schultz + Anaheim's top 10ish pick for Schenn + 2nd
Why would Anaheim trade a top 10 pick for Schenn? They could just draft someone just as good with that pick.. and they wouldnt lose Schultz rights.

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BUT there are a million more players who completely flopped...steen, tlusty, that dude who went before both the sedins...so its really hard to judge, u never truly know what a player is gonna become.
Steen did not flop, he is a great all around 2nd liner

Tlusty has been picking it up as of late and has looked great

that's just it with draft picks, you never know what you are going to get

you trust your scouting staff and hope for the best

sometimes you land a homerun , you land a decent player, or you can land a complete bust

leafs have problem with landing the 1st, and that is what we need .... the more you draft withing the top 10 the better chance you have of landing one (not only top 10, but thats where you get the largest % of landing one)

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Why would Anaheim trade a top 10 pick for Schenn? They could just draft someone just as good with that pick.. and they wouldnt lose Schultz rights.
If Schultz wants out then they are basically losing nothing ...

maybe they feel Schenn is better than anyone available, who knows... that was just a hypothetical offer, by no means will that happen

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03-15-2012, 02:19 AM
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Schenn has untapped offensive potential and will do well in a defense system.

He has to work on reading plays and speed, both of which can be taught. I really hope we keep him.

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03-15-2012, 02:20 AM
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BUT there are a million more players who completely flopped...steen, tlusty, that dude who went before both the sedins...so its really hard to judge, u never truly know what a player is gonna become.
He talked about players no longer improving after 4 years of NHL experience.

It's very hard to find instances where players fade out at 22 years of age. Not to mention, Steen and Tlusty also improved after 4 years of NHL experience so those should be added to my populated list.

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03-15-2012, 02:24 AM
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Schenn has untapped offensive potential and will do well in a defense system.

He has to work on reading plays and speed, both of which can be taught. I really hope we keep him.
he has underrated passing but the offense i saw in the beginning isn't there anymore imo.

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03-15-2012, 02:25 AM
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I dont want to move schenn at all but if it's the right price for a top line player or an overpayment. I wouldn't mind it at all.

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03-15-2012, 02:28 AM
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Why are Schenn and Kadri the step children all of a sudden? What went wrong here?

I see in in Schenn's interviews, he looks checked out of this town. Why? What ruined him? What ruined Kadri? They were both highly regarded by all not just Toronto. Is this town a prospect killer? YES.

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03-15-2012, 02:31 AM
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Why are Schenn and Kadri the step children all of a sudden? What went wrong here?

I see in in Schenn's interviews, he looks checked out of this town. Why? What ruined him? What ruined Kadri? They were both highly regarded by all not just Toronto. Is this town a prospect killer? YES.
I'm sure going from 22+ minutes a night at the age of 18 to 15+ minutes a night at 22 is quite disappointing. Not to mention, he also visits the press box with greater frequency these days.

He's a hockey player who wants to win and play, like all guys, but neither is happening right now.

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03-15-2012, 02:39 AM
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As a believer of Schenn, he shouldn't be untouchable by any means - if a trade comes in that suggests the Leafs are clear winners, then I wouldn't mind seeing him moved.

But there's no reason for Burke to be actively shopping this guy in the summer. The most obvious being that his trade value is most likely the lowest it's ever been since he was drafted.

I don't buy into this belief that he needs a change of scenery and needs to hit the reset button in another town - he loves being a Leaf, and you can tell that what's going on recently is hurting him.

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03-15-2012, 02:48 AM
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As a believer of Schenn, he shouldn't be untouchable by any means - if a trade comes in that suggests the Leafs are clear winners, then I wouldn't mind seeing him moved.

But there's no reason for Burke to be actively shopping this guy in the summer. The most obvious being that his trade value is most likely the lowest it's ever been since he was drafted.

I don't buy into this belief that he needs a change of scenery and needs to hit the reset button in another town - he loves being a Leaf, and you can tell that what's going on recently is hurting him.
Very well summarizes the situation.

I think some character guys are needed in this team that's all, some veterans are going to have to answer on what happened to us. Those players are more likely to move than schenner really.

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I don't get what Burke is trying to do.
This.


To

1st round pick '12(3rd overall)
Schenn
2nd round pick '13


to

1st round pick '12(1st overall)

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03-15-2012, 02:49 AM
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This.


To

1st round pick '12(3rd overall)
Schenn
2nd round pick '12


to

1st round pick '12(1st overall)
Fixed.

Even then i wouldn't do this lol

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why is the media believing this? I mean Burke made it known he was offered a 1st for Schenn and turned it down if he was looking to move him wouldn't he have made that move. only reason Schenn gets moved imo is if a top player is available and he could be a piece going the other way.

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03-15-2012, 02:54 AM
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Schenn could be a guy that is a victim of us needing to clear some cap room for Nash or possibly someone else via trade. Right now his cap hit isn't very good and may be considered overpayed by some, so it could be a cost cutting move to trim some of the cap. Burke will be making moves to make the playoffs next year, that's for sure.

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why is the media believing this? I mean Burke made it known he was offered a 1st for Schenn and turned it down if he was looking to move him wouldn't he have made that move. only reason Schenn gets moved imo is if a top player is available and he could be a piece going the other way.
because people here have no patience and the media knows people will eat it up

tsn also kept putting schenn on the trade list

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Fixed.

Even then i wouldn't do this lol

Keep it the 13 pick.


We've got no 3rd or 4th this year so I'd rather keep that one.

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Honestly, trade phaneuf before schenn. I like how schenn has been playing under Carlyle, and phaneuf still sucks.

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03-15-2012, 03:02 AM
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Phaneuf is the best offensive threat on the blueline for us, he wont be traded for that alone, no matter how much the rest of his game blows.

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I dont want to move schenn at all but if it's the right price for a top line player or an overpayment. I wouldn't mind it at all.
Agreed.

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It is completely beyond me how someone could genuinely believe that Schenn has been playing better than Phaneuf.

Sometimes I really think it's like we watch different games ._______.

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Phaneuf is the best offensive threat on the blueline for us, he wont be traded for that alone, no matter how much the rest of his game blows.
Based on optics alone, Phaneuf won't be traded - this team just won't trade their captain unless it's for a king's ransom and then some; the type of return that Phaneuf doesn't command around the league.

I'm not convinced Phaneuf is a problem either - I think people have a hard time separating Phaneuf "the captain" and Phaneuf "the player".

The player is terrible - he's slow, lacks agility, has an overrated shot, and has been masked/bailed out by Gunnarsson for most of the season.

The captain - is anything and everything you want in a captain. He's vocal, he's proud, he hates losing, he plays hard every single night, he's smart with the media, and has the respect and appreciation of his teammates.

He's a bottom 4 blue liner; not a top 2 guy. This team doesn't have a top 2 guy.

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Phaneuf is the best offensive threat on the blueline for us, he wont be traded for that alone, no matter how much the rest of his game blows.
I think even without phaneuf the leafs have a solid offensive blue line. This has a lot of ifs along with it though. Can liles come back to form? Can Gardiner mature? Can franson mature and be used properly?

Phaneuf would give a solid return though, so that would need to be considered too.

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