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03-14-2012, 06:14 PM
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I'm taking a big hulking strong defensive defenseman who has a pretty decent 5th and 12th in Norris voting, and I think has another year of token consideration. He'll work as a spare in case Van Impe gets hurt so he can play with Ruotsalainen.

Jack "Tex" Evans, D.

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He's one of three defensemen from the last MLD (along with Jack Portland and Bob Armstrong) who I thought absolutely deserved to go in the main draft. There are others who could, but those three should. So to the extent you picked him this much later than the over two, great value. His 5th place finish was with a significant number of votes and he held down a job in a 6-team league forever. I think he might be better than Van Impe

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With my skipped pick, I'll take a defenseman whose voting record was uncovered by the great work by BM67, which should have improved his draft position instead of dropping it, D Doug Barkley



4x Top 10 Norris Voting(5, 7, 9, 10*)
4x Top 13 All Star Voting(7, 12, 13, 13)
9th Hart Voting

*One vote

Isn't this the guy pappy used to insist was a star in the league who had his career cut very short by injury? Looks like awards voting seems to support the idea

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03-14-2012, 06:19 PM
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Honestly TDMM I think he is better than Van Impe (such awesome where I picked Ed, right? Lol) but like I said, I want the meanest, craziest, biggest psycho possible out there to play normally with Ruotsalainen so people don't push him around. If Van Impe, gets hurt, so be it and Evans steps in and can at least handle te defensive duties that in many ways Reijo can't. But when Reijo is out there, I want that crazy SOB that is Van Impe with him at ES.

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03-14-2012, 06:21 PM
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Good pick.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but does Abel have anything on him?


[bchaosrevolver wasn't kidding when he said he didn't read last year's draft. ... no worries, he's just a spare, I think.[/b]
? About Duane Sutter I assume?

EDIT: Just used search function...good God I need to not rush picks sometimes.

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03-14-2012, 06:27 PM
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? About Duane Sutter I assume?
Yeah. I selected him last draft, and what I found him I would call him my only indefensible pick of my first ATD. He belongs in the MLD. Put it this way: I got hit pretty hard last MLD for taking Matt Cooke, and honestly I don't see much Seperating them as far as bottom six calibre goes. He's definitely the worst Sutter, he just got luck he got caught up by the Isles dynasty. Luckily I was able to unload him onto Velociraptor because he really wanted Ragulin an pretty much the only way I was accepting that deal is if he took Sutter back.

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03-14-2012, 06:52 PM
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He's one of three defensemen from the last MLD (along with Jack Portland and Bob Armstrong) who I thought absolutely deserved to go in the main draft. There are others who could, but those three should. So to the extent you picked him this much later than the over two, great value. His 5th place finish was with a significant number of votes and he held down a job in a 6-team league forever. I think he might be better than Van Impe
Agree with the bolded. Interested to see if some others go. They all have cases but it also wouldn’t be the end of the world if they didn’t. Either way it will be fun sorting out the remmies with you guys in the MLD this year.

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Isn't this the guy pappy used to insist was a star in the league who had his career cut very short by injury? Looks like awards voting seems to support the idea
I concur.

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Yeah. I selected him last draft, and what I found him I would call him my only indefensible pick of my first ATD. He belongs in the MLD. Put it this way: I got hit pretty hard last MLD for taking Matt Cooke, and honestly I don't see much Seperating them as far as bottom six calibre goes. He's definitely the worst Sutter, he just got luck he got caught up by the Isles dynasty. Luckily I was able to unload him onto Velociraptor because he really wanted Ragulin an pretty much the only way I was accepting that deal is if he took Sutter back.
He’s not the worst, he’s definitely better than Rich, who was good enough to make my team of undrafteds in the 2000-ish pick range.

Brent and Brian are easily the two best, probably in interchangeable order. Rich is #6. But the other three could go in any order IMO. One’s an ok (but MLD caliber) defensive specialist, the other’s a passable (at best) MLD winger with a very superior one year goal scoring peak but overall inferior career value. It’s debatable whether he deserves to get taken as a bargain basement 2nd liner before Duane gets taken as a 3rd line grinder.

So, Duane could be selected as the 3rd, 4th or 5th Sutter, IMO.

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03-14-2012, 06:59 PM
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I definitely take an undrafted Sutter over Duane. I think he should go 4th or 5th among the Sutters

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Duane has Jared Staal syndrome in the ATD, drafted for the name.

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Not even going to lie to you seventies, didnt even know there was a Rich, and I had his twin last draft! Lol

Either way, you're right Duane is not as bad as Rich.

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Duane has Jared Staal syndrome in the ATD, drafted for the name.
And CUPPPZZZZZ.

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Isn't this the guy pappy used to insist was a star in the league who had his career cut very short by injury? Looks like awards voting seems to support the idea
Yup. He got Norris recognition in his first 4 full years in the NHL, then got a stick to the eye, and doctors couldn't restore his vision to the point where he could play again. He was 29 in his last season. He played 3.5 full NHL seasons, but received relevant voting recognition in all of them.

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03-14-2012, 07:15 PM
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I definitely take an undrafted Sutter over Duane. I think he should go 4th or 5th among the Sutters
having reviewed this again, you're right. the 3rd-best Sutter is very clear.

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Yeah, after owning Duane Sutter he is pretty underwhelming. I think I would pick one definitely two Sutters over Duane. Not a terrible defensive player at this level, but nobody I'll be drafting ever again in the ATD.

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Isn't this the guy pappy used to insist was a star in the league who had his career cut very short by injury? Looks like awards voting seems to support the idea
barkley was 2nd in 1st half norris voting in '66 (to laperriere), far ahead of 3rd place, but then doug mohns accidentally jabbed barkley's eye with his stick.


NORRIS: (324/324, 162-162)
1. Jacques Laperriere, Mtl 89 (62-27)
2. Pierre Pilote, Chi 54 (42-12)
3. Pat Stapleton, Chi 40 (0-40)
4. J.C. Tremblay, Mtl 32 (0-32)
5. Doug Barkley, Det 30 (30-0)
6. Harry Howell, NYR 28 (9-19)
7. Allan Stanley, Tor 23 (2-21)


all of those players but howell missed many games.

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The Winnipeg Saints select D Steve Duchesne


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How many careers did Ulf Samuelsson end? Just Neely and Mondou? I'm convinced there are more.


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I'll take Chris Drury, F.

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-i'll select dan bylsma assisant coach for scotty bowman


Can some1 pm the next gm

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Velociraptor is next. I have his list...

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We'll take one of the modern guys who I had very close to Jack Portland when I drafted him. The makeup of my blueline made Portland's skillset more valuable. Either way, we're happy to get this guy as a spare, since I think he can jump in and play whatever role is needed.





Wade Redden !!!

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I'll round out my defence corps with a guy like Barkley who is a great peak, lousy career value player...

The Minnesota Fighting Saints are pleased to select 716th overall, from Weston Ontario, Barry Ashbee, D

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We'll take one of the modern guys who I had very close to Jack Portland when I drafted him. The makeup of my blueline made Portland's skillset more valuable. Either way, we're happy to get this guy as a spare, since I think he can jump in and play whatever role is needed.




Wade Redden !!!
About time. Surprised nobody took him sooner after seventies actually won this thing with him last time.

My list for #5 puck moving defensemen went like this:

1/2. Kimmo Timonen/Vasili Pervukhin (I couldn't figure out which I like more, luckily arrbez made it an easy choice).
3. Wade Redden
4. Andrei Markov

I figured any of these 4 guys would end up being great values and they all turned out to be that. Still a little surprised Redden fell as far as he did after seventies' success with him last year. If Pervukhin got snapped up like Timonen did, I would have seriously considered selecting Redden over 100 picks ago.

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-i'll select dan bylsma assisant coach for scotty bowman


Can some1 pm the next gm
I'm very interested in hearing what you think Bylsma can help Bowman with.

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I finally completed a reorganization of the Duke Keats bio.

Here is my version.

Here is jarek's original.

There's nothing all that new there. I included the more detailed look at his stats from this draft and what I thought were the best quotes from jarek's extensive bio (which was so full of research it was hard to follow at times IMO). It's 10% original work, 90% leaching off jarek.

I'm bringing it up here, because Jarek's profile contained this quote from a 1923 newspaper (the one describing why Keats was a 1st Team All Star):
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The Duke is an ideal type of athlete, of husky build, quick on his skates, and possessing a good abundance of grey matter. He has one fault and that is temperament
"Quick on his skates" can mean anything, but I doubt they would call someone who was the slowest player in the league, right? So I skimmed jarek's original bio for quotes about Keats' skating and realized that the two hilarious quotes about Keats being the slowest skater in the league and "not quite as slow as a snail" are from 1928, his last good season before he really declined.

Jarek (or others who have researched the period), is the actual evidence Keats was a slug for his entire career or just at the end of it, as he started putting on weight? (By no means am I selling Keats as above average or even average here, but I genuinely wonder if the reputation of him being a slug is overblown based off of quotes from the end of his career, like we used to think about George Boucher).

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Guys. Lets keep the undrafted talk to a minimum. I think we all agreed that **** like this might be worse than naming names.

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barkley was 2nd in 1st half norris voting in '66 (to laperriere), far ahead of 3rd place, but then doug mohns accidentally jabbed barkley's eye with his stick.


NORRIS: (324/324, 162-162)
1. Jacques Laperriere, Mtl 89 (62-27)
2. Pierre Pilote, Chi 54 (42-12)
3. Pat Stapleton, Chi 40 (0-40)
4. J.C. Tremblay, Mtl 32 (0-32)
5. Doug Barkley, Det 30 (30-0)
6. Harry Howell, NYR 28 (9-19)
7. Allan Stanley, Tor 23 (2-21)


all of those players but howell missed many games.
Looks like he was 3rd, far ahead of 4th.

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I'll take Chris Drury, F.
Good pick, he's not an ideal full timer but can fill in on the 3rd or 4th line at any position.

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We'll take one of the modern guys who I had very close to Jack Portland when I drafted him. The makeup of my blueline made Portland's skillset more valuable. Either way, we're happy to get this guy as a spare, since I think he can jump in and play whatever role is needed.





Wade Redden !!!
It's about damn time!

Nice to see "mr. undrafted" is getting some attention, too. he should. Before a bunch of similar guys get drafted, let me get the ball rolling here. Would someone care to make a case for Rob Ramage over Wade Redden? Canon-wise that seems like a big stretch but they are both big minute, 1000 game players, except Ramage was predominantly getting big minutes for poor teams and Redden for good teams.

Also, Markov's not terrible or anything but it was driving me nuts to see so much love for him when Redden was on the board. Yeah, Markov has the offensive peak (PP driven) and if you look at his 4 best seasons and Redden's best 4 and ignore everything else, then they are practically even, but I don't think anyone judges players like that, do they?

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