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03-15-2012, 03:29 AM
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AV treats rookies that deserve to play fine. If they arent defensively responsible, they wont get key minutes.

Cody has clearly carried over his key goals and elite play to Buffalo.
AV has always brought along his rookies slow, just like Kesler/Ray/Hansen and the list goes on.....And now Kass.

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03-15-2012, 03:37 AM
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AV has always brought along his rookies slow, just like Kesler/Ray/Hansen and the list goes on.....And now Kass.
I think it's the right call. The fanbase just needs to be patient.

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I think it's the right call. The fanbase just needs to be patient.
Agreed, if anything in reality Kass would be with the farm team for year, build up, learn the ropes, then terrorize.

However he can't as Hodgson got 16 goals and 17 assists before trade deadline, so now MG thinks we have to get some thing similar!!!

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Agreed, if anything in reality Kass would be with the farm team for year, build up, learn the ropes, then terrorize.

However he can't as Hodgson got 16 goals and 17 assists before trade deadline, so now MG thinks we have to get some thing similar!!!
Still can't figure out how Hodgson amassed those stats w/ Vancouver? He's terrible here. He's a minus every game and the Sabres have been winning a bunch.

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Still can't figure out how Hodgson amassed those stats w/ Vancouver? He's terrible here. He's a minus every game and the Sabres have been winning a bunch.
Sheltered minutes, offensive zone starts, and playing behind the 1-2 combination of sedin - kesler all contributed toward hodgson's point totals in vancouver. Oh, and his own natural skill, of course.

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Still can't figure out how Hodgson amassed those stats w/ Vancouver? He's terrible here. He's a minus every game and the Sabres have been winning a bunch.
dont worry he'll pick it up , i dont expect much in the remaining games but next year he'll be effective , once hes used to the line up

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Still can't figure out how Hodgson amassed those stats w/ Vancouver? He's terrible here. He's a minus every game and the Sabres have been winning a bunch.
We didnt exactly get brett hull. Kassian is a 13th forward or 4th line guy at BEST.

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We didnt exactly get brett hull. Kassian is a 13th forward or 4th line guy at BEST.
No he's not. Kassian has been effective. Definitely worthy of a roster spot. If anything he is big, fast and he hits. On top of that he has above average skill on this team. So yeah, he is not a 13th forward at best. More of a fringe top 9 forward. Give him a chance.

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Kassian seems to be an instinctual player instead of a systems player. You can see, and it was evident from the 4th game onwards that he has been trying to to the right breakouts, keep his position, pass the puck to the right guys etc., and it will take some time for him to find a balance. I think if he just relaxes a little and plays it'll all come together. I think for now, playing with LaPierre will be good for him, although I would rather see him with the Sedins.

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03-16-2012, 06:46 AM
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Still can't figure out how Hodgson amassed those stats w/ Vancouver? He's terrible here. He's a minus every game and the Sabres have been winning a bunch.
lol you just have to remember he, just like Kass are rookies and will take time to develop.

This is late in the season now, and they are just learning that, I expect both will work out hard this offseason and be better prepared next season.

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Kassian just looks like he's afraid to make a mistake, which is going to happen for a while until Vigneault lets him off his leash. The team is just playing like crap so he's doing the simple things and not taking risks.

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We didnt exactly get brett hull. Kassian is a 13th forward or 4th line guy at BEST.
He is a 20 year old (just turned 21) playing in the NHL on an elite team. Way too early to make that assessment.

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Kassian just looks like he's afraid to make a mistake, which is going to happen for a while until Vigneault lets him off his leash. The team is just playing like crap so he's doing the simple things and not taking risks.
Reminds me of James Neal last year, very rigid and not ever sure if he's doing the right thing.

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Reminds me of James Neal last year, very rigid and not ever sure if he's doing the right thing.
Lots of things for a rookie pro forward to learn if he is on team that has systems.

If a forward plays for a team like the Oilers and can freelance and run and gun while ignoring defence then it is much easier - but then look at the team results in Edmonton.

Once Kassian learns the systems and his positioning becomes second nature then the game becomes easier and he can let his natural skills take over. And according the GMMG he has those skills - it is all a question of development. And the Canucks have shown recently that they can develop players. It began under Nonis and Gillis has refined and improved upon it.

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Kassian just looks like he's afraid to make a mistake, which is going to happen for a while until Vigneault lets him off his leash. The team is just playing like crap so he's doing the simple things and not taking risks.
Disagree.

It'll happen for a while until Kassian learns how to not make mistakes.

If AV sees that Kassian is hesitant, and not 100% sure of himself, why would he play him more, and "let him off his leash"? AV is teaching the kid.

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I just hope the organization is patient enough with Kassian and gives him the proper level of coaching and support. It'll take the patience of job though because of the inevitable comparisons with Hodgson even though its meaningless really - it'll possibly be many, many years later before we can evaluate who won that trade, at which point it'll be water under the bridge. What's done is done, time to move on (easier said than done).

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I just hope the organization is patient enough with Kassian and gives him the proper level of coaching and support. It'll take the patience of job though because of the inevitable comparisons with Hodgson even though its meaningless really - it'll possibly be many, many years later before we can evaluate who won that trade, at which point it'll be water under the bridge. What's done is done, time to move on (easier said than done).
oh the organization will give him time , but the fans wont

kassian said he was having trouble sleeping when he first got here , probably still is and he said its because of the pressure he was under , which sucks to hear but its reality and hes going to have to deal with it . Think about it tho , he went from being on buffalo to being on a team ready to win a cup and on top of it he has all that pressure of making the team believe they made the right move trade wise.

thats alot for a 21 year old

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oh the organization will give him time , but the fans wont

kassian said he was having trouble sleeping when he first got here , probably still is and he said its because of the pressure he was under , which sucks to hear but its reality and hes going to have to deal with it . Think about it tho , he went from being on buffalo to being on a team ready to win a cup and on top of it he has all that pressure of making the team believe they made the right move trade wise.

thats alot for a 21 year old
Well the fans do influence the organization (some more than others ) - Gillis has to hold his ground - think Guy Lafleur and how patient Sam Pollock was with him!

Not surprised he couldn't sleep - I think he's a really good kid (that's what I heard) but he's still a kid so let's give him a break.

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Well the fans do influence the organization (some more than others ) - Gillis has to hold his ground - think Guy Lafleur and how patient Sam Pollock was with him!

Not surprised he couldn't sleep - I think he's a really good kid (that's what I heard) but he's still a kid so let's give him a break.
yeah , i dont expect much out of him but to turn it on in the playoffs , hard to get yourself going when the team your ons coasting

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The stats say he played over 10 mins today but I only noticed him on that awful breakaway

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The stats say he played over 10 mins today but I only noticed him on that awful breakaway
I thought he looked pretty shifty on the break-a-way and Mason just made the right move. Obviously, in hindsight, he probably should have kept skating with blazing speed and went roof instead of slowing down.

The 4th line was alright. Lappy was the best guy on the line and they had the puck down low a few times which is better than playing at the other end.

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Thought he played a good game. The whole 4rth line was very effective.

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The stats say he played over 10 mins today but I only noticed him on that awful breakaway
You should probably pay more attention to the game when you're watching then.

One thing you may have noticed is that hes had more breakaways in his limited time than Cody did all season.

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You should probably pay more attention to the game when you're watching then.

One thing you may have noticed is that hes had more breakaways in his limited time than Cody did all season.
Hard to notice someone invisible most of the time

and this has to do with what? Hes had 2 or 3 which is the same as Hodgon and he scored on one of his

The guy is a fringe NHL player like Weise.. once Ebbett and Manny are able to play hes out of the lineup in the playoffs

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the breakaway was a nice try, could have shot it over his blocker.

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