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03-16-2012, 12:44 PM
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Wait, what?
i guess it's debatable, but i would take spezza, alfredsson, or michalek over any toronto forward and kuba, karlsson, gonchar, cowen over any toronto dman.

bottom line is, our forwards are better, defence is better, goaltending is better, coaching is better, management is better, scouting and drafting is better. can't pick one difference.

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Not to hard, we have:

Incredible Veteran Leadership
Better Centers 1-4
Better top 6 D
Better Goaltending
More Physical, Bigger team
better team Unity
better Coaching

leafs have a higher payroll

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03-16-2012, 12:47 PM
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Based on Leaf fans in Ottawa, that couldn't be further from the truth.
Not the Leafs fans in Toronto and elsewhere though, I'd wager. But of course Leafs fans actually IN Ottawa.

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Wait, what?
I agree with your reaction there. If we use our fowards, Kessel would be in the top three. Maybe he means this way.

Spezza Over Kessel
Michalek over Lupul
Alfredsson Over Grabovski

Karlsson Over Phaneuf
Kuba over Liles (Arguable)
Gonchar Over Gunarsson (Arguable)
Cowen Over Schenn

Although Gardiner is the flavour of the month so they may argue he fits within those 4D

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03-16-2012, 12:52 PM
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i guess it's debatable, but i would take spezza, alfredsson, or michalek over any toronto forward and kuba, karlsson, gonchar, cowen over any toronto dman.

bottom line is, our forwards are better, defence is better, goaltending is better, coaching is better, management is better, scouting and drafting is better. can't pick one difference.
I think you're seriously undervaluing Phaneuf and Schenn. Phaneuf is very good, people just always expect more. Schenn is still young but is going to be a solid top 4 dman for much of his career. I'd rather have Phaneuf over Kuba or Gonch, and Schenn... well maybe not this year but 'going forward' he'd be a nice asset over those two as well.

MM over Kessel? I dunno... I sure like the guy a lot more than Kessel, better D and team guy from what I've heard... but hard to ignore Kessel's scoring which is a bit better than MM's IMO.

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03-16-2012, 12:53 PM
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I agree with your reaction there. If we use our fowards, Kessel would be in the top three. Maybe he means this way.

Spezza Over Kessel
Michalek over Lupul
Alfredsson Over Grabovski

Karlsson Over Phaneuf
Kuba over Liles (Arguable)
Gonchar Over Gunarsson (Arguable)
Cowen Over Schenn

Although Gardiner is the flavour of the month so they may argue he fits within those 4D
Ah, I see.

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03-16-2012, 01:29 PM
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The Leafs do not constantly measure their success to the Sens.
But yeah.
You obviously never read threads on the leafs board.

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03-16-2012, 02:16 PM
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I agree with your reaction there. If we use our fowards, Kessel would be in the top three. Maybe he means this way.

Spezza Over Kessel
Michalek over Lupul
Alfredsson Over Grabovski

Karlsson Over Phaneuf
Kuba over Liles (Arguable)
Gonchar Over Gunarsson (Arguable)
Cowen Over Schenn

Although Gardiner is the flavour of the month so they may argue he fits within those 4D
actually i meant spezza/michalek/alfredsson over anyone of their forwards and karlsson/kuba/gonchar/cowen over any of their dmen.

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03-16-2012, 02:47 PM
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Ottawa has more pressure to win then the Leafs I think. The leafs are owned by a corporation, the sens by a single owner. Did anyone go to the games at the end of last year? There were like 3-5,000 unsold seats. If Ottawa is terrible and not playing exciting hockey they will only draw 15,000-16,000 fans, they team will lose money and the owner will fire coach and GM. In Toronto they make money and sell out regardless. Sure there is media pressure and fan pressure in Toronto but not ownership pressure. Ask Gonchar if there is fan pressure here, we booed him at season opener over a few bad road games to start the season (and previous year).

The difference is Bryan Murray both personally and because there was a continuation of management... From
Coach to GM. Burke got rid of EVERYONE!!! Literally. You can't do that to a hockey team and expect to predict if the team will gel. Both Murray and Burke picked poor choices for coach but at least Murray corrected himself twice... Burke just wouldn't until too late.

Conservative wins the race. Murray is patient and smart and while he gutted the team he did not get rid of everyone. You can't just trade for a phaneuf and make him captain. Maybe if it is Pronger but even that ruffles feathers. It is the in keeping Spezza, getting Michalek for Heatley and deftly getting karlsson in the draft. It is not trading our first rounders ever... We have a system... Even later 1sts pay off in Foligno, O'Brien.

Leafs 1st rounders that played for them this season:

2009 Kadri
2008 Schenn

Ottawa:

2011 Zibanejad
2009 Cowen
2008 Karlsson
2007 O'Brien
2006 Foligno
2005 Lee
2001 Spezza
1996 Phillips

Let's add other Draft Picks:

Toronto:

2007 Frattin (4th)
2007 Gunnarsson (7th)
2006 Kulemin (2nd)
2006 Reimer (4th)

Ottawa:

2009 Lehner (2nd)
2009 Hoffman (5th)
2008 Smith (3rd)
2008 Peterssen (4th)
2008 Borowiecki (5th)
2006 Daugavins (3rd)
2006 Condra (7th)
2005 Greening (7th)
2004 Regin (3rd)
1998 Neil (6th)
1994 Alfredsson (6th)

Ottawa has 19 players they picked themselves in the draft play for them this season.
Toronto has 6 players they picked themselves in the draft play for them this season.


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03-16-2012, 03:36 PM
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i guess it's debatable, but i would take spezza, alfredsson, or michalek over any toronto forward and kuba, karlsson, gonchar, cowen over any toronto dman.

bottom line is, our forwards are better, defence is better, goaltending is better, coaching is better, management is better, scouting and drafting is better. can't pick one difference.
ill trade gonchar for gardiner or schenn even.

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03-16-2012, 03:38 PM
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The biggest difference is we will make the playoff they won't.

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03-16-2012, 04:25 PM
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What is the biggest difference between the Leafs and Senators:

- superior coaching
- superior scouting and development
- good stable ownership
- superior management
- realistic fans
- different cultures (Leafs have a culture of losing 40 years in the making)


What ever it is, Sens fans must get on their hands and knees every mornng and thank God they don't cheer for that horror show called the Leafs.
You forgot the most obvious one - pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence.


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03-16-2012, 04:37 PM
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They don't have anything close to a Spezza, a Karlsson, or an Alfredsson in their lineup.

You could basically say they lack franchise talent. They do a great job paying for it though.

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This season, the biggest difference has been goaltending. Burke should have signed a veteran stop-gap to minimize the risk for Reimer and Gustavsson.

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03-16-2012, 05:32 PM
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I agree with a lot of the things that you guys have said but I think it also relates to not building around a center.

Ottawa has that #1 center in Spezza. Look at the Penguins they have Crosby, Malkin AND Stall, three superstars right down the middle.

In comparison you can also look at Washington who chose to build around a winger similar to the leafs...

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