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03-14-2012, 06:34 PM
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Because of the amount of contenders at 155? And if it's not too much of a problem for him, why not? He always has the option of moving back up to 155 in his back pocket if he wants to.

But what does taking a non-title fight at 145 do for him? Before Dana changed his mind on the Edgar/Henderson thing, Pettis was for the 2nd time the #1 contender. If he goes to 145 and loses in a non-title fight, is he still a relevant #1 contender at 155? I doubt it.

IMO, the talk of him moving to 145 is to get a title shot without having to wait for Edgar/Henderson II. I doubt he's looking to drop to 145 at this point just because.


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Nice story but Henderson's not beating Frankie again. Also, not so sure about Pettis beating Aldo either. I would love to see that fight though. I didn't read the link, does it actually say Pettis would get a title shot at 145 right away?


I don't have a problem with the UFC for doing this since I've never watched an illegal stream in my life and it's pretty easy to get together with a few people to split the ppv cost or go to a bar to watch. However, I have a big problem with the gov't trying to stop free downloading of music, movies, tv shows etc. People should be allowed to watch or listen to whatever they want and not pay absurd amounts of money to do so just so the rich can get richer. I'm pretty sure it's been proven that have music available for free on the internet actually helps a lot bands make more money by reaching a much wider fanbase. That's why some bands support free downloading of music.
Oh yes he is. Henderson won just about every exchange and was 1 good punch away from knocking him out. Edgar thought he was getting the win Josh Koscheck style and I'm super happy it didn't happen.

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03-14-2012, 09:59 PM
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Pettis says he's not dropping to 145.....

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I'm not dropping to 145 to fight aldo! 155 is my home and I'll get that belt soon!!!
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03-14-2012, 10:00 PM
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But what does taking a non-title fight at 145 do for him? Before Dana changed his mind on the Edgar/Henderson thing, Pettis was for the 2nd time the #1 contender. If he goes to 145 and loses in a non-title fight, is he still a relevant #1 contender at 155? I doubt it.

IMO, the talk of him moving to 145 is to get a title shot without having to wait for Edgar/Henderson II. I doubt he's looking to drop to 145 at this point just because.
I know. I never expected him to drop. The question was asked and I gave the only logical reason I could see for him to drop.

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Why would Pettis move down to 145 at this point if he wasn't getting an immediate title shot?
That's true but having a title shot as your first fight at a lower weight class doesn't seem like a good idea and that's likely why he decided to stay at 155.

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03-15-2012, 09:19 AM
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I like it. There aren't many pure BJJ guys at 170 and he presents problems to the guys at that weight class who just want to take him down and lie on him.
I'm just worried about his cardio which sucked at 185. The weight cut likely won't help that problem.

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I'm just worried about his cardio which sucked at 185. The weight cut likely won't help that problem.
It works both ways though, dropping a weight class will improve cardio in many cases if the guy has a little extra fat or is carrying too much muscle. Hard to know with Maia until we see him fight.

I wonder what kind of fight they'll give him. Would they do something like Maia/Fitch?

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03-15-2012, 12:08 PM
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Nice story but Henderson's not beating Frankie again.

Oh no you didn't!

I'm going to predict an even more decisive win for Henderson.

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I'm going to predict an even more decisive win for Henderson.
Nothing from the first fight leads me to this conclusion. If it weren't for the upkick, I think Edgar would have won the first fight decisively.

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03-15-2012, 07:57 PM
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Nice story but Henderson's not beating Frankie again.
Right. Because he did so much in the first fight to give Henderson trouble. Oh wait, he didn't. He got outstruck both in total strikes and hard strikes. He got a few meaningless takedowns and couldn't do anything with them. He caught a bunch of kicks - after they already landed solidly. Sorry, but that fight was not close enough to deserve a rematch and there's no reason to think Edgar will fair any better next time.

The far more unlikely part of my scenario was Pettis beating Aldo.

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03-15-2012, 08:05 PM
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Right. Because he did so much in the first fight to give Henderson trouble. Oh wait, he didn't. He got outstruck both in total strikes and hard strikes.
Compustrike had it 124-114 in total strikes for Edgar, and 61-41 in power strikes for Edgar.

http://compustrike.com/wp/index.php/...stats-ufc-144/

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Compustrike had it 124-114 in total strikes for Edgar, and 61-41 in power strikes for Edgar.

http://compustrike.com/wp/index.php/...stats-ufc-144/
I counter your CompuStrike with FightMetric: http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/...icial-ufc.html

Honestly, it's comical that that site had Edgar landing more power shots. I might be willing to concede total strikes, as it did seem like Edgar was playing patty cake out there at times. But power strikes? That's a joke. I'm not gonna sit here like a little people and say Edgar has no power. The 3rd Maynard fight obviously disproved that. But in this fight, he wasn't landing much of anything with any power.


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Oh no you didn't!

I'm going to predict an even more decisive win for Henderson.
Edgar's past history in rematches would lead one to believe otherwise. Plus if it wasn't for a lucky upkick, Edgar would've won the first fight.
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Nothing from the first fight leads me to this conclusion. If it weren't for the upkick, I think Edgar would have won the first fight decisively.
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Right. Because he did so much in the first fight to give Henderson trouble. Oh wait, he didn't. He got outstruck both in total strikes and hard strikes. He got a few meaningless takedowns and couldn't do anything with them. He caught a bunch of kicks - after they already landed solidly. Sorry, but that fight was not close enough to deserve a rematch and there's no reason to think Edgar will fair any better next time.

The far more unlikely part of my scenario was Pettis beating Aldo.
If you really believe what you just wrote then you're either a massive Henderson homer or Edgar hater. That fight was razor close and Frankie would've won if it wasn't for the upkick.

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03-16-2012, 12:47 PM
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Edgar's past history in rematches would lead one to believe otherwise.
Bendo beat Donald Cerrone in a 5 rnd decision to win the interm WEC LW Championship. When he defended against Cerrone, he choked him out in 2 minutes.


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If you really believe what you just wrote then you're either a massive Henderson homer or Edgar hater. That fight was razor close and Frankie would've won if it wasn't for the upkick.
I am a huge Henderson fan, but I am also objective. The fight was not dominant for Henderson, but neither was it razor close. When I watch Henderson fight, if anything I give close calls to his opposition, simply because I like to prepare myself for the worst. I'm a natural pessimist, so when a fight involving a guy I like goes to decision, I'm almost always nervous, whether I think he won or not. Even so, I had it 49-46 for Henderson and had no doubt that the decision would go his way. His first fight with Cowboy was a lot closer than this fight was.


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I thought it was really close and was leaning toward Edgar.

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I thought it was really close and was leaning toward Edgar.
Same. I won't say that either man dominated but I think Frankie won. And also, if Shogun didn't do enough to beat Machida in their first title fight, I don't think Hendo did enough either and I know that comparison has been used before.

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I thought it was really close and was leaning toward Edgar.
I also thought it was really close but I had it 48-47 for Henderson.

I don't see how anyone can say one guy clearly won.

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I also thought it was really close but I had it 48-47 for Henderson.

I don't see how anyone can say one guy clearly won.
Easy - Henderson clearly won rounds 2-4. Edgar clearly won the 1st round, and round 5 was a toss up. I honestly believe round 5 was the only one that was difficult to score. Even FightMetric and CompuStrike back that up. Both had Edgar with the advantage in the 1st, Henderson with the advantage in 2 through 4, then they were divided on round 5. When objective stats back up that Henderson won a minimum of three rounds, I don't think there's any doubt about the decision.

Whoever brought up Shogun-Machida I in relation to this fight is just being ridiculous. Using that fight as an example of anything other than horrible judging is ludicrous. Trying to justify anything else using that fight is a stretch at best.

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Easy - Henderson clearly won rounds 2-4.
Stop using the word "clearly", your opinion on who won rounds is not the final verdict. Many people including Dana and Joe Silva scored the fight for Edgar.

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I think the only "clear" rounds were 1 for Edgar and 2 for Henderson.

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