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03-17-2012, 11:23 PM
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Can't believe we are going to blow a 12 point lead down the stretch.

Watching this happen suuuuucks
The Rangers are NHL-.500 in the last 11 games. It will take a franchise-defining winning streak for the Penguins to do it. No one can hold a lead against that.

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03-17-2012, 11:26 PM
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Solution, although it doesn't seem intuitive: go to more games.
I said the same thing; they gotta win one eventually. If I lived closer, I would.

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I said the same thing; they gotta win one eventually. If I lived closer, I would.
Or maybe they would become the worst team in professional sports if you start going to more games.

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That's part of it, but this team really just lacks finishers. We need Kreider to come in next year and be part of the answer. We need to hope Parise will come to New York. And we need to hope enough of the guys from the group of Fasth, Thomas, and St. Croix pan out in the coming years to give us enough offensive punch.
Probably the very reason we play the system that we do. Kinda of like asking the question: what came first the chicken or the egg?

The sad reality is when a guy like Ryan Callahan is one of your most prolific goal scorers, you got problems on the skill side of things. I love Cally but I don't think he would play well in a puck possession type of game. On a skill team he would be third line checking specialist.

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03-17-2012, 11:32 PM
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Probably the very reason we play the system that we do. Kinda of like asking the question: what came first the chicken or the egg?

The sad reality is when a guy like Ryan Callahan is one of your most prolific goal scorers, you got problems on the skill side of things. I love Cally but I don't think he would play well in a puck possession type of game. On a skill team he would be third line checking specialist.
Like Hartnell is in Philly?

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03-17-2012, 11:36 PM
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What I think about quite often is what the team's identity should be. I hope that Tortorella is already trying to figure out what the transition will look like.
Someday, this team can not be a bunch of grinders. When Kreider arrives, embrace the gift of speed, and complement it with the speed already on this team that has had a clamp put on it.
For those of you who are dissatisfied with Brad Richards, just wait til you get to see him roam free with some talent.

I understand the Torts Guy thing, but even Tortorella has hinted that he uses a system that fits his personnel. If that is true, then it should follow that the system changes as the personnel changes.

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03-17-2012, 11:41 PM
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Rangers dominated this game from the drop of the puck. Sometimes, the other goalie plays out of his mind. It happened today. Oh well.

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03-17-2012, 11:47 PM
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Like Hartnell is in Philly?
Hartnell is a better offensive player than Cally. Controls the puck better, and distributes it better(do I even have to comment on shot comparisons?). They are equally good forechecking wise. Cally is a better defensive player imo. I dispise Hartnell btw.

You could make the argument that if Cally was on a team like Detroit, he could develop into a puck possession player. But I haven't seen him have natural skill sets that compliment a system like that. He does make an occasional nice pass, but they don't happen consistently. Its not really his game.

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Hartnell is a better offensive player than Cally. Controls the puck better, and distributes it better(do I even have to comment on shot comparisons?). They are equally good forechecking wise. Cally is a better defensive player imo. I dispise Hartnell btw.

You could make the argument that if Cally was on a team like Detroit, he could develop into a puck possession player. But I haven't seen him have natural skill sets that compliment a system like that. He does make an occasional nice pass, but they don't happen consistently. Its not really his game.
Whatever, but for injuries Callahan would be a 30 goal player two seasons in a row most likely. How many 30 goal players are on teams' third lines?

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What I think about quite often is what the team's identity should be. I hope that Tortorella is already trying to figure out what the transition will look like.
Someday, this team can not be a bunch of grinders. When Kreider arrives, embrace the gift of speed, and complement it with the speed already on this team that has had a clamp put on it.
For those of you who are dissatisfied with Brad Richards, just wait til you get to see him roam free with some talent.

I understand the Torts Guy thing, but even Tortorella has hinted that he uses a system that fits his personnel. If that is true, then it should follow that the system changes as the personnel changes.
Its a good point.

You can win a championship with the style the Rangers play. But you need to plug in some holes in the lineup.

However its not a good system for consistent competitiveness. Look at Boston, we play very similar styles and they are falling apart.

If the Rangers want to be a perennial cup contender they need to develop some sort of puck possession system. They can't continue on, in the long term, being a homogenous grinding team. Your going to have to start winning on skill.


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Rangers played a hell of game last night. All over the puck- defenseman jumping up in the play, controlling the puck all game, less turnovers, less icings and offsides...

The Rangers had a good rythm going and thats a good thing. Even despite losing due to a goalie stealing one.

Positives: (and there are many)

Richards is RICHARDS right now. The guy is seeing the ice like we've never seen him see the ice before. I really see him taking a leadership role now.

Much less dicking around with the puck and more decisiveness as the game wore on, especially from the defenseman. This was something that was plaguing them the past few loses.

Dubinsky. Nice. please build on this.

This team is pissed right now and i think they are due (they have all year) for a breakout goal game. Putting up 6-7. (They had several last season, without Richards)

They play the Devils next.

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03-18-2012, 12:01 AM
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Never thought we matched up well with Washington. We just didn't have the skill to beat them in a PO series. I believe we're the better team overall than Philadelphia. We'll see in our final game against them...
Didn't in the past, but Backstrom's out, and their goalies are horrible. We'll beat Washington easier than Philly.

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03-18-2012, 12:04 AM
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Whatever, but for injuries Callahan would be a 30 goal player two seasons in a row most likely. How many 30 goal players are on teams' third lines?
I think our system plays to Cally's strengths. Remember, Boyle has done very well in our system at one time. He isn't all that great. Not to compare Boyle to Cally, Cally is light years ahead of Boyle. Cally is a very good player.

That doesn't mean he would do well in puck possession system where he needs to play off his ability to finesse the puck. Let me ask a question, Dubi has had success here(comparable numbers to Cally in previous seasons). Do you think Dubi has a finesse game to play in a system like Detroit? Even on his game, Dubi doesn't have those skillsets.

I'm not trying to knock either players(they are vital for a championship team...cept Boyle-useless). But at the end of the day, they are roleplaying character guys.

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Rangers played a hell of game last night. All over the puck- defenseman jumping up in the play, controlling the puck all game, less turnovers, less icings and offsides...

The Rangers had a good rythm going and thats a good thing. Even despite losing due to a goalie stealing one.

Positives: (and there are many)

Richards is RICHARDS right now. The guy is seeing the ice like we've never seen him see the ice before. I really see him taking a leadership role now.

Much less dicking around with the puck and more decisiveness as the game wore on, especially from the defenseman. This was something that was plaguing them the past few loses.

Dubinsky. Nice. please build on this.

This team is pissed right now and i think they are due (they have all year) for a breakout goal game. Putting up 6-7. (They had several last season, without Richards)

They play the Devils next.
I don't know, pretty late in the game they showed a graphic and the entire Michelin line had something like 3 shots on net the entire game, no points, and minus 1. We had late PPs so that probably changed, Richards looked good on the PP. But that line wasn't the same as it was in the previous games. Neither was Richards IMO.

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I think our system plays to Cally's strengths. Remember, Boyle has done very well in our system at one time. He isn't all that great. Not to compare Boyle to Cally, Cally is light years ahead of Boyle. Cally is a very good player.

That doesn't mean he would do well in puck possession system where he needs to play off his ability to finesse the puck. Let me ask a question, Dubi has had success here(comparable numbers to Cally in previous seasons). Do you think Dubi has a finesse game to play in a system like Detroit? Even on his game, Dubi doesn't have those skillsets.

I'm not trying to knock either players(they are vital for a championship team...cept Boyle-useless). But at the end of the day, they are roleplaying character guys.
There was a time when I thought Dubi had that skill. Now I look at him and seems to be a different player. Who are the teams that play Detroit's style anyway? Vancouver? Who else? I'm not sure Pittsburgh plays that style. Pittsburgh has a bunch of scrubs on that roster who play like world beaters with the best players in the world. WTF did Dupius do for us or the other teams he played (were they Minnesota and Atlanta? Too lazy to check). Cooke all of a sudden is some world beater? Even Neal had 55 points (in 78 games) as a career high before this year and without Malkin put up 1 goal and 5 assists in 20 games for the Penguins last year. That's fewer than 25 points in an 82 game season. The fact Pittsburgh did pretty well last year without Crosby and Malkin should put Bylsma into the Hall of Fame.

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Face it, we're not likely to win the Cup this year, just really don't have enough talent. I know people get on Torts for playing this grinding style, but if they opened up the ice and tried to win every game 5-4, they'd lose more than they win.

Team is just like a racehorse running out of gas at the top of the stretch. I wouldn't even try to hold off Pittsburgh, just get everyone ready for the playoffs.

I thought the defense played well today, except Bickel needs to sit against teams with speed, he looked like a statue on the first goal. Whoever said McD was awful is smoking something, he controlled the game, had an assist, drew penalties, etc.

And I think it is possible to have puck possession lines and still have some grinders on the team, but I agree, we don't have the talent to play like Detroit yet, not even close.

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I don't know, pretty late in the game they showed a graphic and the entire Michelin line had something like 3 shots on net the entire game, no points, and minus 1. We had late PPs so that probably changed, Richards looked good on the PP. But that line wasn't the same as it was in the previous games. Neither was Richards IMO.
I thought Gaborik was mediocre most of the game. His play with the puck was poor. They did their homework on Hagelin. He was constantly getting beaten to pucks all game. I give their D credit, they really did a good job taking him out of the play. Gaborik was constantly trying to force plays to him and he was getting snuffed. Gabs didn't really adjust.

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I thought Gaborik was mediocre most of the game. His play with the puck was poor. They did their homework on Hagelin. He was constantly getting beaten to pucks all game. I give their D credit, they really did a good job taking him out of the play. Gaborik was constantly trying to force plays to him and he was getting snuffed. Gabs didn't really adjust.
Gaborik looked exhausted late in the game. Too much ice time lately? Too much St. Patrick's beer?

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I thought Gaborik was mediocre most of the game. His play with the puck was poor. They did their homework on Hagelin. He was constantly getting beaten to pucks all game. I give their D credit, they really did a good job taking him out of the play. Gaborik was constantly trying to force plays to him and he was getting snuffed. Gabs didn't really adjust.
Maybe that's a good sign, then. 42 shots with our top line being shut down.

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There was a time when I thought Dubi had that skill. Now I look at him and seems to be a different player. Who are the teams that play Detroit's style anyway? Vancouver? Who else? I'm not sure Pittsburgh plays that style. Pittsburgh has a bunch of scrubs on that roster who play like world beaters with the best players in the world. WTF did Dupius do for us or the other teams he played (were they Minnesota and Atlanta? Too lazy to check). Cooke all of a sudden is some world beater? Even Neal had 55 points (in 78 games) as a career high before this year and without Malkin put up 1 goal and 5 assists in 20 games for the Penguins last year. That's fewer than 25 points in an 82 game season. The fact Pittsburgh did pretty well last year without Crosby and Malkin should put Bylsma into the Hall of Fame.
Pens can beat you in a couple ways. They have a puck possession system as well as forechecking system that can be employed. If one approach isn't working, they switch to another. The point is, they have the ability to change their playing style.

I still don't think the Pens can win tight defensive games. I am not overwhelmingly impressed with their D corps besides Letang. It remains to be seen with them.


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Pens can be beat you in a couple ways. The have a puck possession system as well as forechecking system that can be employed. If one approach isn't working, they switch to another. The point is, they have the ability to change their playing style.

I still don't think the Pens can win tight defensive games. I am not overwhelmingly impressed with their D corps besides Letang. It remains to be seen with them.
Rangers had a ton of scoring chances on Thursday night, just have no finishers.

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Maybe that's a good sign, then. 42 shots with our top line being shut down.
Yeah, I'm not taking this game as a disaster. Disappointing, but if they build on this win-they will win more games than they lose down the stretch. I just hope this game doesn't discourage this team. I doubt it will.

It was Varly's night. Nothing more imo.

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What bothers me more than our lack of offense is that our team is not made up as an offensive team. They're built from the net out. Yet (not so much today, though they looked brutal on those 2 goals) they're getting scored on more than a 10 cent ***** lately. St. Louis's defense is better than our defense. Pittsburgh's offense is better than our defense. Pittsburgh's offense is much better than our offense and their defense is not nearly as far away from our defense. The strength of our team is not good enough. Forget our offense. If we were the Devils of when they were winning their cups, maybe our offense wouldn't matter so much. But we're not.

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Rangers had a ton of scoring chances on Thursday night, just have no finishers.
Their system certainly got them enough looks. But they probably would have gotten better looks in a puck possession system. Still, its all speculation.

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Like Hartnell is in Philly?
I love Cally but he's no Hartnell offensively.

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