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03-18-2012, 06:34 PM
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So are we a more admirable team for being painfully mediocre for well over a decade while drafting painfully bad for most of that stretch, fixing next to nothing as far as offense goes, and having to luck out getting players like Lundqvist/Cally/Staal? Hate to be the bubble burster, but being an admirable team to the rest of the league gets you squat. And you really think we're going to pry 1st overall from Columbus? With what package exactly..Anisimov, Dubi and a few prospects who have never seen NHL ice? They want NHL ready players that are sure fire game-changers.

The only way we could compete with a team like Pittsburgh is if our defense didn't **** the bed on a shift-by-shift basis and our offense was good for more than 2 goals a game on a good night.
Not saying admiration matters. It's just personally I'm disgusted with the way Pittsburgh attained their success. Boston on the other hand has all of my respect. They're basically us, except they won the cup recently.

Speaking of Boston, top picks do get traded. They traded for the 2010 #2 overall pick from the Leafs (not sure if they expected it to be that high at the time, but I'm sure they thought it would be top sevenish) which cost them a good player in Kessel, but in the end they got Seguin, and without him they arguably aren't the reigning champions right now. Ask Boston fans if they miss Kessel. Boston got someone to tank for them while they kept their pride. Very smart. I've been advocating that the Rangers do the same for a while now, preferably the way Boston did it by dealing to a team that is likely to be bottom 5 kind of bad long before the draft.

I agree that dealing for Columbus' 1st overall pick would be very expensive, but Yakupov is being hailed as the best thing our of Russia since Ovechkin, so it's worth rolling around the idea at the very least and throwing a competitive offer at Columbus. Something along the lines of Staal, Dubinsky, 2012 1st, 2013 1st. The other option is dealing for Columbus' or Edmonton's 2013 1st round pick at a lower cost since it is not as clear if they'll be all that bad, though it's still likely they will be.

In the beginning of the Sather years drafting was bad, but we've managed to do pretty well in recent years. I'm not sure how you think Staal and Callahan were lucky drafting though. Staal was a first rounder and Cally was a 4th rounder. Coming up with an NHLer in the 5th, 6th or 7th rounds is luck. The top four rounds are considered to be the most likely rounds to grab NHL talent, hence making some of the better selections there implies skilled drafting for those rounds. After the 4th round it's honestly a crap shoot. Lundqvist was as lucky as it gets, I don't think anyone would argue that. Drafting offense hasn't been the Rangers' forte post lock out, but don't forget that we got the draft equivalent of a bad bounce with our 2007 first round selection... R.I.P Cherepanov. He really would have helped this offense today.

As far as the solution to beating Pittsburgh, it's to add more offensive talent. Doing that alone actually helps our defense. We'd spend more time in the offensive zone, hence less defending, and have more comfortable leads, which also allows for less demanding defense when you're blowing teams out. Yakupov and/or Parise are our best options this Summer. I'd prefer to stay away from Nash however. Between his cost and terribad cap hit he's not really overwhelming me as a trade option. We'll also have Kreider next year in all likelihood, or even this year. At least if we don't add any offensive talent (somehow) Kreider should help our a bit. JT miller could make the team as well.

As far as the defense, the D has been performing uncharacteristically bad for a good while now. It could have to do with our style of play, which is highly taxing, along with the lack of offense. Like I previously stated, laughers are pretty key. They allow you to take it easy for a game every once in a while. The problem with us right now is we don't have many relaxing games, and it's showing. The amount of games in March is not helping us either.


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03-18-2012, 06:57 PM
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I just hope we can unload his 4.2M cap hit this offseason. Too bad Gainey still isnt running the Habs, we'd have a sucker right there.
Burke likes Americans, maybe he'll take Dubinsky as some sort of reclamation project on the Maple Leaves?

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Burke likes Americans, maybe he'll take Dubinsky as some sort of reclamation project on the Maple Leaves?
Not sure what I would want from the Maple Leafs.

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03-18-2012, 07:30 PM
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Not sure what I would want from the Maple Leafs.
I'd take Grabo

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03-18-2012, 07:38 PM
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Not sure what I would want from the Maple Leafs.
Their first?







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03-18-2012, 08:20 PM
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All of our forwards must contribute well offensively because our defense was not built to score. This puts a lot of pressure on our forwards, but regardless, not performing is 100% unacceptable. I'm not talking assists though ladies, I'm talking goals. We have a few guys who have been nothing more than glorified penalty killers and have not carried their weight offensively.

Boyle (6 goals, $1.7M)
Dubinsky (7 goals, $4.2M)
Rupp (4 goals, $1.5M)

17 goals for $7.4M.

These are the three biggest offenders IMO.

I wouldn't criticize Boyle if he was playing on the fourth line (where he belongs), but as a third line center he's coming up too short.

Dubinsky is by far the most immensely overpaid player on our roster right now. The worst part is he keeps getting chances and keeps missing these opportunities.

I don't even think Rupp kills penalties. For $1.5M he's getting paid to be more than a goon, so if he isn't going to kill penalties he better put the puck in the net more.


Who do you guys think the offensive slackers are?
Comments like these just get me so angry. Hockey games are not played on STAT SHEETS.

The only goal problem we have is dubinsky.

We didn't bring rupp in to score goals (yet he had 2 big ones in the winter classic). He was brought to defend teammates like when guys run into lundqvist or jump in when DZ was cheapshotted.

Boyle is our best face off man, blocks shots, great penalty killer, and big body in front. He was never supposed to be a goal scorer. For under $2M.

You want to complain about goal scorer look no further than the pathetic season that brandon dubinsky has had.

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03-18-2012, 08:27 PM
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All Boyle is really good at is PKing.

He's a FANTASTIC PKer, but average at best defensively on ES and atrocious offensively.

Rupp is pretty subpar defensively and hasn't really done anything to defend anybody since he destroyed the guy who cheapshotted MDZ when we played the Panthers.

Hockey isn't played on paper, but on the ice these guys aren't that great either.

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Comments like these just get me so angry. Hockey games are not played on STAT SHEETS.

The only goal problem we have is dubinsky.

We didn't bring rupp in to score goals (yet he had 2 big ones in the winter classic). He was brought to defend teammates like when guys run into lundqvist or jump in when DZ was cheapshotted.

Boyle is our best face off man, blocks shots, great penalty killer, and big body in front. He was never supposed to be a goal scorer. For under $2M.

You want to complain about goal scorer look no further than the pathetic season that brandon dubinsky has had.
Someone tell EA that, please.

No one thought Boyle would hit 20 again, but I doubt management expected this kind of drop in offensive production. Torts has said it before many times, he's disappointed with Boyle's lack of production. He's had the chances too. Torts even gave him some PP time.

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03-18-2012, 09:09 PM
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Boyle makes that money being versatile, and obviously you want more goals out of him, but he got that contract on being a very good two-way centers and one of the better PKers in the league. His chemistry with Prust is excellent, too.

Rupp got slightly overpaid on the open market to provide the Rangers with a proper fourth line guy that'll fight. I think he's pretty much everything everyone SHOULD HAVE expected.

Dubinsky is the big disappointment. Two 20 goal seasons in a row and now he's on pace for less than what he had in his first two seasons in the NHL...he had a fair chance at being on the same line as Richards and Gaborik and didn't produce...the Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan line never produced...I don't know what's up with him this year. Just doesn't look like the same player. And unlike the other two players, Dubinsky doesn't provide you with something all that unique or valuable if he's not playing well. Sure, he doesn't hurt the team on off nights...it's not like he's been bad defensively, but he's just...meh this year/.

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03-18-2012, 09:13 PM
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I just hope we can unload his 4.2M cap hit this offseason. Too bad Gainey still isnt running the Habs, we'd have a sucker right there.
Dude, you know what I read? I read that Pierre McGuire has a shot at being Montreal's GM.

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...wait you think [B]oyle should be scoring close to 20 a year and that last year was something other than a fluke? Really? Really!? Woooooow. What's worse is you put up that smiley like you were saying something patently obvious when it's painfully obvious how off the mark you are here. Do you really not know that Boyle is a defensive specialist who had one of the greatest puck luck years in history? Remembr the 7 goal start to the season? When has Boyle ever shown that kind of offensive consistency at any other point in his career? Never. Nothing funnier than someone using a smiley when they are completely wrong. Next time you make a comment about player expectation perhaps you should first determine the possiblity of these little things that are called outliers.

Boyle's stats plus his faceoffs plus his D play and leadership = performing up to contract/expectation.

Boyle overperformed x 3 last year
Yeah I got shellacked for saying sell high last summer. He is one of the best shot blockers in the league but I can see other players in his position that could offer more.

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Not sure what I would want from the Maple Leafs.
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Boyle makes that money being versatile, and obviously you want more goals out of him, but he got that contract on being a very good two-way centers and one of the better PKers in the league. His chemistry with Prust is excellent, too.

Rupp got slightly overpaid on the open market to provide the Rangers with a proper fourth line guy that'll fight. I think he's pretty much everything everyone SHOULD HAVE expected.

Dubinsky is the big disappointment. Two 20 goal seasons in a row and now he's on pace for less than what he had in his first two seasons in the NHL...he had a fair chance at being on the same line as Richards and Gaborik and didn't produce...the Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan line never produced...I don't know what's up with him this year. Just doesn't look like the same player. And unlike the other two players, Dubinsky doesn't provide you with something all that unique or valuable if he's not playing well. Sure, he doesn't hurt the team on off nights...it's not like he's been bad defensively, but he's just...meh this year/.
The only thing dissappointing about Rupp is his skating. I thought he was a little more agile than he is. I wouldn't mind seeing him drop about 10 lbs this summer.

Dubinsky doesn't seem mature enough to handle this contract. He should be in the 3-3.5 million range which was his fault for listening to his greedy agent.

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We need forwards.

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We need forwards.
I agree but schenn has been rumored recently and could be used to solidify the right side.

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Keep the responses coming, brah.

Sry but no. Like I said read the thread kid. EVeryone thinks you're clueless. Case closed. Better luck next time I guess also you pulled a 180 from being all mad to pretending you're entertained. very interesting.

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Sry but no. Like I said read the thread kid. EVeryone thinks you're clueless. Case closed. Better luck next time I guess also you pulled a 180 from being all mad to pretending you're entertained. very interesting.

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how many players in our bottom six have more than 10 goals? 0. i think that is a major problem. not saying the 4th line needs to put up a ton of goals each but you should definitely have some guys on the third line who could put up 15 goals or so.

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Idk about Boyle being our best faceoff man... that might be the case statistically (idk, I don't really look up stats like these) but whenever I'm watching the game it seems like when I want him to win a big faceoff... it just doesn't happen.

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There doesn't seem to be anything hockey related written down for me to respond to. Is that your way of saying you're not really sure about the actual hockey points in this thread? If you do not understand beyond what goals scored tells you please ask somebody it's better than getting all angry and ignoring the 5 or 6 other people who all said you were wrong. You might actually learn something if you listen. Take care now

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Dubinsky should be dealt in the off-season to make room and re-stock the cupboard. The Leafs make some sense. Maybe Sather could get Tyler Biggs from the Leafs. He is a big, tough kid who likes to hit A LOT and stir it up. Playing at Miami of Ohio in the NCAA. Many here wanted him at the draft last year. Another American kid.

Offensive potential is not overly high. Probably projects at his highest to be a complimentary 2nd liner due to his size and strength. Most likely will be a very good 3rd line checker who can put up 15-20g and 15-20a while having over 100PIM's.

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Dubinsky should be dealt in the off-season to make room and re-stock the cupboard. The Leafs make some sense. Maybe Sather could get Tyler Biggs from the Leafs. He is a big, tough kid who likes to hit A LOT and stir it up. Playing at Miami of Ohio in the NCAA. Many here wanted him at the draft last year. Another American kid.

Offensive potential is not overly high. Probably projects at his highest to be a complimentary 2nd liner due to his size and strength. Most likely will be a very good 3rd line checker who can put up 15-20g and 15-20a while having over 100PIM's.

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There doesn't seem to be anything hockey related written down for me to respond to. Is that your way of saying you're not really sure about the actual hockey points in this thread? If you do not understand beyond what goals scored tells you please ask somebody it's better than getting all angry and ignoring the 5 or 6 other people who all said you were wrong. You might actually learn something if you listen. Take care now
In case you haven't noticed, five or six people is not unanimous among posters in this thread. You seem to have a problem with disagreement. I gave up arguing with you once your ego started taking over lol. Toodles, bud.

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Comments like these just get me so angry. Hockey games are not played on STAT SHEETS.

The only goal problem we have is dubinsky.

We didn't bring rupp in to score goals (yet he had 2 big ones in the winter classic). He was brought to defend teammates like when guys run into lundqvist or jump in when DZ was cheapshotted.

Boyle is our best face off man, blocks shots, great penalty killer, and big body in front. He was never supposed to be a goal scorer. For under $2M.

You want to complain about goal scorer look no further than the pathetic season that brandon dubinsky has had.
Yet he is on our third line. If you bring a guy expecting him just to be a PKer and to block shots, then don't give him third line minutes and put him out there when we need a goal. I haven't a problem with Boyle, I have a problem with how much he plays.

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