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03-18-2012, 09:20 PM
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Hartnell's Next Contract

Many here wanted Hartnell to be traded to ease the Cap prior to this season, or early on in it... and now I venture to say that most here don't want him to leave.

He is a stereotypical Flyers player in my eyes who is rough and talented and agitates and sticks up for his teammates... is fan friendly and Organization friendly... gives back to the community and is a quote machine who rarely shies away from the Media and while he lives in Old City and is single, he never gets his name and face plastered around the Internet and in the tabloids... He is a good and loyal soldier and one of the team leaders who wear an 'A' often when needed.

Fact: Hartnell is under contract with the Flyers at $4.2 Million throught the 2012-13 Season, at which time he is an Unrestricted Free Agent,

Questions: Should the Flyers take him off the Market and when and at what cost? If he is to get a sizable raise... and probably be overpaid in an Open Market situation... can the Flyer who are already committed to $40.7 Million for 11 players with players such as Voracek and Simmonds (and Shelley ) yet to be taken care of afford to resign him... OR... should he be moved next Trade Deadline for younger and cheaper talent looking towards the future (with his waiving of his NTC)?



... I want to sign him to an extension before the next TDL... But at this point I'm not sure what price limit I would put on it being how high his current contract is... He is an important piece of the Flyers as I see it.



Thoughts...............


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Our best move is to wait it out and not give him an extension when his value's at an all-time high.


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It's taken years, but Hatnell is starting to make me a fan. And I'm not warming to him because he's scoring goals and putting up points. He's just playing good, smart hockey for once. He's not trying to do too much stickhandling, or making silly passes. He knows his role playing with Giroux and Jagr, and it's fun to watch him consistently play to his strengths instead of his weakness.

Plus his trolling has been top notch this season.

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Wait and see how he plays next year. I'm all about players sticking around when they are solid players. I think his whole career here he has been a valuable player. He has had his ups and downs throughout. I'd like to see him get a four year deal at roughly the same price-tag (unless the cap increases a lot or he replicates this season next year).

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It's tough, because the Flyers will want to sign him to a long-term deal, but the way Hartnell plays...never know when the guy will start breaking down. He's been durable in his career, but....that means he's played a lot of games.

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If he wants to maximize his $, he'll go elsewhere. If he's willing to take a hometown discount to stay here for $6M or so, then he'll stay.

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If he wants to maximize his $, he'll go elsewhere. If he's willing to take a hometown discount to stay here for $6M or so, then he'll stay.
$6M on a HTD

We are talking third highest on team by far and slightly under Kimmo... approaching Briere's FA Open Market numbers paid by the worst team in the NHL that year... more than Bryz and Pronger... and (at this point in time) Giroux.

$4.2 now and deserving a raise as a still youngish long-time veteran... but are we really talking NHL star money? If he were to continue to put up between 35 to 40 goals per season... maybe... Let's see what the first half of next season brings and then talk 6 Mill.

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If he wants to maximize his $, he'll go elsewhere. If he's willing to take a hometown discount to stay here for $6M or so, then he'll stay.
My god, anyone who pays Hartnell anywhere in the vicinity of $6 million is out of their mind.

How we all forget that up until this year, Hartnell was one of the most inconsistent players on the team. Just two short years ago, didn't he have two streaks of not scoring a goal in 15+ games?

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03-18-2012, 11:09 PM
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$6M on a HTD

We are talking third highest on team by far and slightly under Kimmo... approaching Briere's FA Open Market numbers paid by the worst team in the NHL that year... more than Bryz and Pronger... and (at this point in time) Giroux.

$4.2 now and deserving a raise as a still youngish long-time veteran... but are we really talking NHL star money? If he were to continue to put up between 35 to 40 goals per season... maybe... Let's see what the first half of next season brings and then talk 6 Mill.
The salary cap has gone way up since Briere signed. Think about what Leino got last summer or even what Hemsky just got.

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I'd just say worry about it when we get there.

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Let's see if Hartnell has another one of these years before we start saying we'd be lucky to keep him at $6 Million.

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03-18-2012, 11:56 PM
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The salary cap has gone way up since Briere signed. Think about what Leino got last summer or even what Hemsky just got.
That $6M was for a Home Team Discount per the quoted poster... here are the top 50 Cap Players per CapGeek.com ...please note Mike Richards at #50 and $5.75M which is a cool quarter less that that... He'd be up there with Parise, Backstrom, Elias, etc, and just $8K less than Zetterberg and only $100K under the Sedins and only $200K under Lidstrom... and many more greats just above that and amny recently signed... New increased Cap be damned; $6M is approaching Superstar money in my book... and on a Home Team Discount?.....................

1. Ovechkin, Alexander F WAS 26 13 $9,538,462
2. Malkin, Evgeni F PIT 25 5 $8,700,000
3. Crosby, Sidney F PIT 24 5 $8,700,000
4. Staal, Eric F CAR 27 7 $8,250,000
5. Nash, Rick F CLB 27 8 $7,800,000
6. Lecavalier, Vincent F TBL 31 11 $7,727,273
7. Heatley, Dany F MIN 31 6 $7,500,000
8. Gaborik, Marian F NYR 30 5 $7,500,000
9. Stamkos, Steven F TBL 22 5 $7,500,000
10. Weber, Shea D NAS 26 1 $7,500,000
11. Gomez, Scott F MTL 32 7 $7,357,143
12. Campbell, Brian D FLA 32 8 $7,142,875
13. Vanek, Thomas F BUF 28 7 $7,142,857
14. Spezza, Jason F OTT 28 7 $7,000,000
15. Iginla, Jarome F CGY 34 5 $7,000,000
16. Thornton, Joe F SAN 32 3 $7,000,000
17. Doughty, Drew D LAK 22 8 $7,000,000
18. Chara, Zdeno D BOS 35 7 $6,916,667
19. Marleau, Patrick F SAN 32 4 $6,900,000
20. Lundqvist, Henrik G NYR 30 6 $6,875,000
21. Kopitar, Anze F LAK 24 7 $6,800,000
22. Koivu, Mikko F MIN 29 7 $6,750,000
23. Datsyuk, Pavel F DET 33 7 $6,700,000
24. Backstrom, Nicklas F WAS 24 10 $6,700,000
25. Semin, Alexander F WAS 28 1 $6,700,000
26. Bouwmeester, Jay D CGY 28 5 $6,680,000
27. Richards, Brad F NYR 31 9 $6,666,667
28. Boyle, Dan D SAN 35 6 $6,666,667
29. Kovalchuk, Ilya F NJD 28 15 $6,666,667
30. Stastny, Paul F COL 26 5 $6,600,000
31. Phaneuf, Dion D TOR 26 6 $6,500,000
32. Redden, Wade D NYR 34 6 $6,500,000
33. Briere, Daniel F PHI 34 8 $6,500,000
34. Timonen, Kimmo D PHI 37 6 $6,333,333
35. Ward, Cam G CAR 28 6 $6,300,000
36. Kane, Patrick F CHI 23 5 $6,300,000
37. Toews, Jonathan F CHI 23 5 $6,300,000
38. Miller, Ryan G BUF 31 5 $6,250,000
39. Smyth, Ryan F EDM 36 5 $6,250,000
40. Lidstrom, Nicklas D DET 41 1 $6,200,000
41. Sedin, Henrik F VAN 31 5 $6,100,000
42. Sedin, Daniel F VAN 31 5 $6,100,000
43. Zetterberg, Henrik F DET 31 12 $6,083,333
44. Elias, Patrik F NJD 35 7 $6,000,000
45. Backstrom, Niklas G MIN 34 4 $6,000,000
46. Cammalleri, Mike F CGY 29 5 $6,000,000
47. Parise, Zach F NJD 27 1 $6,000,000
48. Kiprusoff, Miikka G CGY 35 6 $5,833,333
49. Seabrook, Brent D CHI 26 5 $5,800,000
50. Richards, Mike F LAK 27 12 $5,750,000

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03-18-2012, 11:59 PM
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The salary cap has gone way up since Briere signed. Think about what Leino got last summer or even what Hemsky just got.
QFE.

Average cap hit is meaningless unless you are comparing apples to apples as far as cap hit relative to the cap.

Let's play a little game:
Name - Year - Average Hit - Total Cap - Percent of Cap
Briere - 2007 -6.5 - 50.3 - 12.9%
Timmonen - 2007 - 6.3 - 50.3- 12.5%
Hartnell - 2013 - 6 - 65(?) - 9.2%

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That $6M was for a Home Team Discount per the quoted poster...
I didn't realize they were talking about $6M for a home town discount. Depending on term I'd love to get Hartnell at 5m. I imagine he's gonna want a full NMC considering how some of his buddies got dealt last summer

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I didn't realize they were talking about $6M for a home town discount. Depending on term I'd love to get Hartnell at 5m. I imagine he's gonna want a full NMC considering how some of his buddies got dealt last summer

That $5M would be just slightly over a 19% raise... given over a few seasons would be a fair raise... provided he doesn't get wind of a much higher offer. That is why an early signing could be beneficial to the Organization.

Hartnell will be 30 next month and 32 when he starts his new contract... Say they guarantee him $5M through his 36th birthday... and another NTC... He seems to be at times the heart of the team -- no pun intended -- so, it could possibly pave he way for him to end his career a Flyer; good for both sides. I could imagine him taking it rather than test the waters.

... That is... unless he reads this Forum and believes he can get $6M.

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It's tough, because the Flyers will want to sign him to a long-term deal, but the way Hartnell plays...never know when the guy will start breaking down. He's been durable in his career, but....that means he's played a lot of games.
Ya, Hartnell will be 31 when his current contract expires, and like you said, playing the way he does, I'd be hesitant to give him anything longer than three years.

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Ya, Hartnell will be 31 when his current contract expires, and like you said, playing the way he does, I'd be hesitant to give him anything longer than three years.
Eh. I'd risk 4. No more than that.

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Honestly I wouldn't even worry about it now. Let's just be happy he is peaking under 4.2 for another year. Reevaluate what he looks like at the same time next year.

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A longer contract could result in a lower cap hit by eating up some of his less marketable 35+ seasons.

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We'll see next year if he keeps being really hot like this. If he's a 35+ goal scorer again, he sure will get a raise, and I'll welcome him back with open arms. He has a lot of chemistry with Giroux, who,s now the face of our franchise, so we have to keep hm.

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id go as high as 5.5 x 5 simply because hes been such a solid veteran for us but at his age and style i dont see him being worth it on the back end of the deal.

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I definitely see him getting 5.5 if he goes 30/30 next year.

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I think Lupul would have been cheaper if Homer had waited. Same with JVR. Coburn may have been more. I would wait on Hartnell until a strong start to next season.

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I bet Hartnell re-signs at a fair price personally. I believe that he genuinely likes playing in Philadelphia and is comfortable in the city. Having seen his bachelor pad, I expect him to seek comfort and security over top dollars, so he may be willing to take slightly less dollars for term (4-5 years).

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Wait to see if he continues this next year. I KNOW he doesn't wanna leave. I'm not adverse to something like 5 years for 25 Mil.

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