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03-19-2012, 11:27 AM
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Vecens, just noticed you have Rick Middleton with 21.5 minutes, basically superstar ice time. I can't see it working
I'm on my iPad now, so I can do this much easier when I get home from Philadelphia later tonight, but Middleton was known during his career for playing more minutes than anyone on the Bruins except their top defensemen. For instance,. If you google "Rick Middleton time on ice" I know you'll find a top result within the first couple of an SI article saying this fact. I would quote it now but for some reason my Internet connection is blocking SI. His "superstar" status shouldn't matter. He is capable of playing the minutes. He played both special teams well throughout his entire career.

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I'd try to find a way to give some of that time to Dave Keon, he can definitely handle more than 16.5 min a night
I totally agree, but the thing is then who comes off the second PP unit? Roenick? Patrick? The other thing is that I want to use him in many ways how the Pens use Jordan Staal now. I want him to be the guy coming off the bench as the PP ends. I could give his line more minutes at ES, and give the third line less time of course too.

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03-19-2012, 11:48 AM
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Head Coach: Fred Shero

Captain: Bobby Clarke
Alternates: Dale Hawerchuk, Frantisek Pospisil

Dave Balon - Bobby Clarke - Marian Hossa
Aurel Joliat - Dale Hawerchuk - Mark Recchi
Jay Pandolfo - Steve Kasper - Joe Klukay
Eric Staal - Ryan Getzlaf - Todd Bertuzzi

Earl Seibert - Frantisek Pospisil
Jim Neilson - "Bullet" Joe Simpson
Don Awrey - Jack Laviolette

Frank "Mr Zero" Brimsek
Vladimir Dzurilla

spares: W/D Tom Anderson, D Gilles Marotte, C Jason Allison, C Rick Meagher

PP:
Marian Hossa - Bobby Clarke - Todd Bertuzzi
Dale Hawerchuk - Joe Simpson

Aurel Joliat - Ryan Getzlaf - Mark Recchi
Eric Staal - Jack Laviolette

PK:
Jay Pandolfo - Steve Kasper
Earl Seibert - Frantisek Pospisil

Bobby Clarke - Joe Klukay
Jim Neilson - Don Awrey

PK Extras:
Marian Hossa
Jack Laviolette


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Coach: Rudy Pilous

Robitaille - Delvecchio - Alfredsson
Shanahan - Datsyuk - Oatman
Sharp - Lepine - Graham
Sid Smith - Steen - Paiement
Tardif - Sheppard

Stevens - McCrimmon
Steve Smith - Lennart Svedberg
Magnuson - Svehla
Kjell Samuelsson - Chiasson

Terry Sawchuk
Kiprusoff

PP1:
Robitaille - Delvecchio - Alfredsson
Datsyuk - Svedberg

PP2:
Shanahan - Lepine - Oatman
Stevens - Svehla

PK1:
Lepine - Graham
Syevens - McCrimmon

PK2:
Steen - Alfredsson
Smith - Svehla

PK3:
Datsyuk - Delvecchio
McCrimmon - Svedberg


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Dawson City Nuggets

Coach: "Badger" Bob Johnson
Captain: Bryan Trottier
Alternate Captains: Chris Pronger, Punch Broadbent


Anatoly Firsov - Bryan Trottier - Punch Broadbent
Esa Tikkanen - Evgeni Malkin - Pavel Bure
Hec Kilrea - Butch Goring - Pat Verbeek
Eddie Shack - Red Berenson - Adam Deadmarsh
x - Alex Shibicky, Sami Pahlsson

Chris Pronger - Sergei Zubov
Victor Kuzkin - Vitali Davydov
Flash Hollett - Dunc Munro
x - Dmitri Yushkevich, Darius Kasparaitis

Alec Connell
Lorne Chabot

PP1
Trottier-Malkin-Firsov-Bure-Zubov

PP2
Berenson-Verbeek-Kilrea-Pronger-Hollett

PK1
Goring-Tikkanen-Kuzkin-Kasparaitis

PK2
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GM: Leafs Forever13
Head Coach: Jack Adams
Captain: Raymond Bourque
Assistant Captains: Wayne Cashman, Frank Boucher


Roy Conacher-Frank Boucher-Glenn Anderson
Gord Roberts-Marcel Dionne-Wayne Cashman
Fleming Mackell-Keith Primeau-Danny Gare
Marcel Bonin-Troy Murray-Rejean Houle

Raymond Bourque-Allan Stanley
Cy Wentworth-Gary Bergman
Red Dutton-George Owen

Ed Belfour
Al Rollins

Spares: Bobby Rowe, D/RW, Chris Drury C/LW, Stephane Richer W, Gerard Gallant LW,

PP1: Roy Conacher-Frank Boucher-Glenn Anderson
Raymond Bourque-Allan Stanley

PP2: Gord Roberts-Marcel Dionne-Wayne Cashman
Gary Bergman-George Owen

PK1:Fleming Mackell-Rejan Houle
Raymond Bourque-Cy Wentworth

PK2: Troy Murray-Marcel Bonin
Red Dutton-Allan Stanley


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Just a thought on teams reviewing division rivals- wouldn't it make more sense to pick a division you aren't in to avoid possible bias?

Not a necessity, just a thought.

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Head Coach: Fred Shero

Captain: Bobby Clarke
Alternates: Dale Hawerchuk, Frantisek Pospisil

Dave Balon - Bobby Clarke - Marian Hossa
Aurel Joliat - Dale Hawerchuk - Mark Recchi
Jay Pandolfo - Steve Kasper - Joe Klukay
Eric Staal - Ryan Getzlaf - Todd Bertuzzi
Tom Anderson, Jason Allison, Rick Meagher

Earl Seibert - Frantisek Pospisil
Jim Neilson - "Bullet" Joe Simpson
Don Awrey - Jack Laviolette
Tom Anderson, Gilles Marotte

Frank "Mr Zero" Brimsek
Vladimir Dzurilla

PP:
Marian Hossa - Bobby Clarke - Todd Bertuzzi
Dale Hawerchuk - Joe Simpson

Aurel Joliat - Ryan Getzlaf - Mark Recchi
Eric Staal - Jack Laviolette

PK:
Jay Pandolfo - Steve Kasper
Earl Seibert - Frantisek Pospisil

Bobby Clarke - Joe Klukay
Jim Neilson - Don Awrey

PK Extras:
Marian Hossa
Jack Laviolette
Am I seeing something wrong or do you have 26 players in a 25 round draft?

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Am I seeing something wrong or do you have 26 players in a 25 round draft?
Anderson doubles as LW and D, I'll clarify the extras

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Anderson doubles as LW and D
Ah, that explains it. Didnt see that one.

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Hartford Whalers



Coach: Peter Laviolette
Assistant coach: Dave Tippett

Kevin Stevens - Mario Lemieux (C) - Sergei Makarov
Michel Goulet - Joe Thornton - Joe Mullen
Brenden Morrow - Doug Risebrough - Terry O'Reilly
Ryan Smyth (A) - Murray Oliver - Kevin Dineen
Ryan Walter, Kent Nilsson

Guy Lapointe (A) - Marcel Pronovost
Pat Stapleton - Ted Harris
Bert Corbeau - Rob Ramage
Ryan Suter

Roy Worters
Mike Richter


PP1: Lapointe - Stapleton - Stevens - Lemieux - Makarov
PP2: Pronovost - Ramage - Goulet - Thornton - Smyth

PK1: Pronovost - Harris - Oliver - Risebrough
PK2: Lapointe - Ramage - Lemieux - Morrow
Coaching and leadership

I think Laviolette deserves to be an ATD head coach. *It's not just the Cup and the trip to the finals - its how he did it. *In 2010 especially, I think his coaching was a difference-maker in almost every round, starting with his ability to dictate the matchups against Jacques Lemaire in round 1. *He's also something of a limited commodity in the ATD. *Most all-time great coaches are defensive-minded and you don't want Mario Lemieux whining about a coach forcing him to backcheck. * Laviolette is no Toe Blake or Lester Partrick. *He's probably not a Glen Sather, Bob Johnson, Cecil Hart, or Pat Quinn... Yet at least. *But he's a very good pick for a Lemieux-led team.

Tippett is a good assistant for him - I can see Tippett helping out on the defensive side of things.

Your team seems a little weak on the leadership side. *Mario is a worthy ATD captain, but not a legend in the leadership department I don't think. * Lapointe won a lot, but I don't know if he was ever a leader on that team. *And seems kind of a waste to give an A to a 4th liner - maybe give it to Morrow instead of Smythe if you plan on keeping him where he is?

Forwards: *

Mario Lemieux - Sergei Makarov might be the most skilled duo in the draft. *Both guys are absolutely loaded with skill. *Not sure how well Stevens' power game works with Makarov's speed game, but Lemieux should be able to bring them together offensively. * This line will score a ton, but could be vulnerable to the counterattack against certain opponents. **

Joe Thornton is an above average second line center and you've given him two legit shooters to pass to. *Goulet isn't afraid to go to the net, either. *Nobody on the line is particularly gritty, but I don't think any of them are particularly soft either. **

Your bottom 6 aren't as good as your top 6. *Risebrough is a decent checker, but I don't think he's an all-time great one, not enough to make up for his lack of offense. *Murray Oliver is better player IMO. *Morrow's a pretty good two-way player. *Terry O'Reilly seems like strictly a 4th liner to me at this level. * *Smythe is a PP specialist who can grind on a 4th line. *To be honest, it seems like you have two 4th lines, rather than a 3rd and a 4th. *

Overall, excellent top 2 scoring lines with the minor caveat that Stevens and Makarov will be awkward in transition due to the large speed differential. *Your third line is fairly weak, though.

Defense: *

I think Lapointe and Pronovost are best served as high end #2s so if you are missing out on a true #1, it's good you got both. *It's a fairly offensive minded pairing that goes along well with your top lines, but could be vulnerable to bein caught out of position from time to time. *My impression of Pronovost from the defenseman project is of a guy who played fearless hockey - perhaps on occasion too fearless. *Big time impact player (and a top notch #2) but perhaps someone who could use a *more stay at home partner.

Second pairing is probably about average. *Stapleton seems like an average to above average #3. *Ted Harris is a competent stay at home partner for him, nothing more. *

Bottom pairing brings the pain. *Ramage is a jack of all trades and would be a solid #5 on any team. *Corbeau is always drafted too high, but he's an elite hitter for a second pairing. *

Overall, a pretty average defensive core. *With Pronovost, Harris, and Corbeau all on separate pairings, you aren't giving opposing forwards a rest from the hitting game, so you do have an advantage on teams loaded with soft scorers.

Spares: *seem to have a little of everything, the two way forward (Walter), the offensive forward (Nilsson) and the defensive defenseman (Suter). *

Goaltending: *Worters is a pretty average starter in the regular season. *In the playoffs, he's basically an unknown, but that doesn't mean we should expect him to decline there. *Mike Richter had a very up and down career but when he was on, he was great, and he was on in the clutch more than once. *He's a good choice to take over for Worters if he does falter in the playoffs. * And hey, at least you don't have to worry about Mario Lemieux facing him in the playoffs!

Special teams: *

Excellent first PP. *Mario is probably the best PP forward ever, Makarov is loaded with talent. *Kevin Stevens is adequate as a net guy. *Neither Stapleton or Lapointe is amazing but both are at least average, so combined with your forwards gives you a very good first unit.

Second unit is pretty good- Ramage is a bit of a weak point I think but he isn't awful.

Your PK is pretty weak. *Nobody really excels in his role. * Lapointe might actually be your best PKing defenseman, but there's only so much ice time you can give him, so he probably should be on the second unit. *None of the forwards really seem like top PKers, but none are awful either.

Overall: *excellent top 6 forwards and power play - among the best in the draft. *Your aggressive first defense pairing should be excellent at supporting the attack and you have a coaching staff that is suited to playing an aggressive game. *Your team has a nice amount of physicality sprinkled throughout the lineup, so you are well suited to wearing down the opposition, especially in a 7 game series.

You might have trouble holding leads at times though - lack of a real checking line, no real lockdown defensive pair (the first pair is solid in their own zone but definitely better on O than D), and mediocre PK are your team weaknesses.

I expect this team to do quite well in the regular season on the strength of offense. It'll be interesting to see how you match up in the playoffs


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PP1

Kariya-Nieuwendyk-Howe
Salming-Larson

PP2

Moore-Primeau-Dye
Goodfellow-Stanfield

PK1

Primeau-Fleming
Reise-Smith

PK2

Moore-Linden
Goodfellow-Salming

PK3

Graves-Howe
Boivin-Smith

Notes:

-Gordie Howe will double shift with the 4th line alongside Reg Fleming and Trevor Linden to form a big, physical shutdown line when necessary at the end of games. I have no checking line, I know. I did not feel that I needed one.
-If the matchup dictates it, Kenny Wharram will be scratched in favor of Bill Thoms to form a checking line.
-Reg Fleming is capable of playing both defense and LW.
-Bill Thoms is capable of filling in at all forward positions, and was so good defensively as a forward that he was used as a defenseman in a pinch.
-Before you jump on Salming being on all the first units, his longevity was legendary, and I think he can do it. The other defensemen in this doing the triple threat are Lidstrom, Orr, Bourque, Brewer, Chelios, Harvey, Potvin, and Fetisov for a point of reference.
-We will not be doing a lot of line matching because we are comfortable having pretty much any line out with any pairing.
-With the way my division was built, the strength is overwhelmingly on the RW. So, I have 3 very good defensive LWs and one average one that is flanked by 2 big, strong two-way players(Kariya).


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GM: BenchBrawl
Captain:kelly
Assistant:denneny
Assistant:nighbor

HEAD COACH

Pat Burns


ROSTER

Cy Denneny - Frank Nighbor - Helmut Balderis
Patrik Elias - Adam Oates - Bryan Hextall Sr.
Craig Ramsay - Phil Goyette - Claude Provost
Patrick Marleau - Vincent Lecavalier - Tomas Sandstrom

Harry Howell - Leonard ''Red'' Kelly
Barry Beck - Dan Boyle
Jamie Macoun - Ron Stackhouse

Harry Lumley
Andy Moog

spares: Craig Conroy , Andre Dupont , Jason Spezza



SPECIAL UNITS

PP
Denneny - Oates - Balderis
Boyle - Kelly

Elias/Lecavalier/Marleau - Nighbor - Hextall
Goyette - Beck


PK
Ramsay - Nighbor
Howell - Beck

Goyette - Provost
Kelly - Macoun

OFFENSIVE HERO LINE
Denneny - Oates - Hextall Sr.
Boyle - Kelly
( Nighbor , Balderis )

DEFENSIVE HERO LINE
Ramsay - Nighbor - Provost
Howell - Kelly


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Thanks for the review.

There's only two things I'd disagree on:

- Leadership. You see it as a little weak, I'd say the team is actually quite loaded with leaders. Perhaps you meant the choice of letters? Because a team with Lemieux, Lapointe, Smyth, Dineen, O'Reilly, Risebrough, Morrow, Thornton, Ramage and Stapleton is not lacking leadership on any line or pairing.

- Overall defense impression. I would actually say I have a pretty damn good top-6, almost certainly in the top third of the field. I do lack a strong #1, but beyond that I think all my defensemen are actually clearly above par for their role. Especially the bottom pairing, which is basically two decent #4s.

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Inglewood Jacks

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Cecil Hart

Harry Watson - Wayne Gretzky (C) - Jari Kurri
Baldy Northcott - Pat Lafontaine - Alexander Mogilny
Ross Lonsberry - Rod Brind'Amour (A) - Ron Ellis
Murray Murdoch - Bernie Nicholls - Bill Ezinicki

Brian Leetch - Moose Johnson (A)
George Boucher (A) - Jimmy Watson
Lloyd Cook - Kimmo Timonen

Tiny Thompson
Rogie Vachon


Spare: Pavol Demitra (LW/RW/C), Mike Richards (C), Robyn Regehr (D), Pavel Kubina (D)


Special Teams:

PP1: Leetch - Nicholls - Gretzky - Kurri - Watson
PP2: Boucher - Timonen - Lafontaine - Mogilny - Northcott

PK1: Johnson - Watson - Brind'Amour - Northcott
PK2: Leetch - Cook - Gretzky - Kurri

(these can be seen as 1A and 1B, depending on the game situation. One unit is obviously more offensively inclined than the other).



Thanks in advance. I'm open to any and all suggestions (special teams, captains, roster shuffling, etc), so have at!

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Thanks for the review.

There's only two things I'd disagree on:

- Leadership. You see it as a little weak, I'd say the team is actually quite loaded with leaders. Perhaps you meant the choice of letters? Because a team with Lemieux, Lapointe, Smyth, Dineen, O'Reilly, Risebrough, Morrow, Thornton, Ramage and Stapleton is not lacking leadership on any line or pairing.

- Overall defense impression. I would actually say I have a pretty damn good top-6, almost certainly in the top third of the field. I do lack a strong #1, but beyond that I think all my defensemen are actually clearly above par for their role. Especially the bottom pairing, which is basically two decent #4s.
I know he's currently in his second season of being Captain of the Sharks, but does Joe Thornton really bring leadership at the ATD level?


Also, I agree that Morrow is a better choice than Smyth for an A for the same reason TDMM said earlier.

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Dawson City Nuggets

Coach: "Badger" Bob Johnson
Captain: Bryan Trottier
Alternate Captains: Chris Pronger, Punch Broadbent


Anatoly Firsov - Bryan Trottier - Punch Broadbent
Esa Tikkanen - Evgeni Malkin - Pavel Bure
Hec Kilrea - Butch Goring - Pat Verbeek
Eddie Shack - Red Berenson - Adam Deadmarsh
x - Alex Shibicky, Sami Pahlsson

Chris Pronger - Sergei Zubov
Victor Kuzkin - Vitali Davydov
Flash Hollett - Dunc Munro
x - Dmitri Yushkevich, Darius Kasparaitis

Alec Connell
Lorne Chabot

PP1
Trottier-Malkin-Firsov-Bure-Zubov

PP2
Berenson-Verbeek-Kilrea-Pronger-Hollett

PK1
Goring-Tikkanen-Kuzkin-Kasparaitis

PK2
Pahlsson-Broadbent-Davydov-Pronger
Top 6:
Trottier and Broadbent complement eachother very well in this. Firsov's also an outstanding goal scorer, but from what I've gathered his speed was his biggest asset in that regard. Will be interesting to see how he meshes with these two. Definitely a balanced and frankly potentially explosive first unit.

The second unit again meshes some solid elements together. Tikkanen providing the sandpaper and defense for Malkin and Bure to do their thing. This one I see as a bit better of a blend then the first unit, though both should be very dangerous offensively.

Bottom 6:
Kilrea - Goring - Verbeek is a decent 3rd unit in this. Decent enough offensively, pretty good defensively, and with some good all around grit on both wings. Kilrea's 29-30 season is an outlier for him but he's still a good checking winger for this. The 4th line I'm not entirely sold on though, but they won't be getting a ton of ice time.

Defense:
Pronger offers you a bit of everything, he's a solid guy to build your defense around. Zubov is a bit soft for my liking as a #2 but Pronger definitely holds more then his own physically. Plus Zubov is a strong PMD here which should help transition the puck to your explosive first two lines rather nicely.

Kuzkin and Davydov I need to do a bit more research on. But from initial reads Kuzkin looks like a solid offensive dman and a good leader and being teamed with his real life partner from the soviet teams in Davydov is a plus. Again, more research is needed but it sounds like Davydov was the defensive conscience of that pairing to me.

Holtet and Monroe are both solid, and utilizing Holtet here on the 3rd pairing looks like it could be a very smart move. Offensively he's one of the best PMD's in this, regardless of pairing.

Goalies:
Connell is a solid #1 in this, and you don't lose too much going to the backup Chabot either. Solid tandem.

Special teams:
I can't quite figure out how this is going to work. You have two players who are listed as extras right now (Phalson and Kasparaitis) on the kill.

Your powerplay should be pretty solid, though I don't know just how much Bure played the point. You have 4 dmen that are capable on the powerplay in this though in Pronger, Zubov, Kuzkin, and obviously Holtet.

Johnson's a good coach for a very offensive minded team like this, I'll just be curious to see how you finish the lines considering that you are utilizing some of your currently listed spares on special teams.


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Coach: Dick Irvin Sr.
Assistant Coach: Eddie Gerard
Captain: Eddie Gerard
Assistant Captains: Doug Harvey, Doug Gilmour

Vladimir Krutov-Doug Gilmour-Rick Middleton
Jack Walker-Dave Keon-Shane Doan
Keith Tkachuk-Jeremy Roenick-Tony Amonte
Lynn Patrick-Dick Irvin Sr.-Corey Perry
Ex: Corb Denneny, Fred Lake

Doug Harvey-Glen Harmon
Eddie Gerard-Ott Heller
Ed Van Impe-Reijo Ruotsalainen
Ex: Fred Lake, Jack Evans

Clint Benedict
Charlie Hodge

PP:
Krutov-Gilmour-Middleton
Harvey-Ruotsalainen

Tkachuk-Roenick-Patrick
Harmon-Gerard

PK:

Forwards:
PK1: Keon- Walker
PK2: Middleton-Doan
PK3: Amonte-Gilmour (used for SH attempts)

Defensemen: PK1: Harvey-Heller
PK2: Gerard-Van Impe

Playoff TOI totals (Regular season ones will be a little more evened out)

NameESPPSHTotal
Gilmour154120
Middleton1542.521.5
Krutov153.5018
Walker1303.516.5
Keon13 3.516.5
Doan1302.515
Tkachuk123.5015.5
Roenick123015
Amonte120113
Irvin7007
Patrick73010
Perry7007

NameESPPSHTotal
Harvey185427
Harmon182020
Gerard182323
Heller180422
Ruotsalainen105015
Van Impe100313

First Line

The line works chemistry-wise. In terms of first lines, it's not going to be the strongest offensively, but I know that's how you built your team. Defensively, it will be one of the very best with strong two-way play from Gilmour and Middleton. All roles and intangibles are covered in this line. They can play against anyone and in any situation, but in terms of offense from first lines, they are lacking. Krutov matching up against the likes of Howe, Bossy, Jagr, Cook, and Martinec could pose a problem, but with support from Gilmour and Middleton, it shouldn't be a big issue.

Second Line

Basically the same thing as your first line, but with an even more defensive lean. Walker is out of place in a normal ATD top 6, but with the way I know you built your team, he can work here. He'll be much more adept at matching up with the elite RWs in our division than Krutov. I imagine this will be the line that goes up against the big guns whenever possible. For an ATD 2nd line, it is again, rather poor. But, it's probably one of, if not the, best defensively.

Third Line

I'm a fan of all 3 of the guys on your 3rd line as players. As a group, I'm not sure how well they will work together. Tkachuk is very goal-biased, Roenick is goal-biased for a center, and Amonte is a shoot first sniper on the wing. I can see Tkachuk working in front of the net and Amonte being the shooter, but I'm not sure if Roenick is enough of a playmaker for this line to work together. In terms of 3rd lines, it'll be one of the best offensively, but I think it could use a little more playmaking to make it even better. Defensively, it'll be average.

Fourth Line

I'm a fan of Lynn Patrick, and he is one of the more talented 4th liners out there. Irvin can get him the puck, and Perry can crash the net and work the corners. It's not a traditional 4th line, but it works.

Forwards Overall

It's a very peculiar group. You took an interesting team concept of having a lot of two-way talent in your top 6, relying on tight checking and timely goals in order to win games. This group will be nothing special in the regular season, but should do well in the physical playoffs.

First Pairing

You have the best defensive defenseman of all time. He plays into your team concept perfectly, and it appears as though it was built around him. One problem I see is that I don't think your offense can make full use of Harvey's abilities. He was noted for being great in the transition game and counter-attack, but your forwards don't appear to have the explosive talent and style in order to fully capitalize on that capability of his. Harmon appears out of place on an ATD first pairing. With 40 teams, he could work, but with 32, even next to Harvey, I'm not a big fan. Just because you have Harvey, this will be a good first pairing.

Second Pairing

Gerard is a great #2, and Heller is very solid 2nd pairing defenseman. These two will be very good in their own zone, and they both bring a bit of toughness without taking a lot of penalties, which is a good thing. A good 2nd pairing.

Third Pairing

Your #7 is better than Van Impe, you've gone over your reason for selecting Van Impe, so I won't harp on that. Reijo is a very good 3rd pairing puck mover. This is a classic offense-defense pairing.

Defense Overall

A very solid group that will have no troubles in their own zone. Some physicality is present in each pairing. Not great offensively, but they fit into your team concept.

Goalies

Benedict is a very strong goalie in this, and I had Hodge as my backup last year. I think he's especially valuable as as backup because he has experience playing as a backup at an elite level.

Coaching

Irvin is a top 10 coach in this, and his style suits your team well. This is a blue collar, hard working group that represents the style he liked to play.

PP

The roles are filled on each unit, but they just lack offensive firepower. In terms of pure talent, they are not good in this draft. I'd consider putting one of Harvey/Reijo on the 2nd pairing to balance out the pointmen.

PK

As expected, your PK units look very good for the most part. I'd get Doan off the PK though. He never really killed many penalties for Phoenix, and looks out of place on an ATD 2nd unit. You're sort of stuck here because you can't use Doug Gilmour a lot on the PK because he's probably your best offensive player(that sounds really weird) despite him being maybe your best option on the PK. You also have 2 wingers on that 2nd unit, which would hurt you on faceoffs. I'm not sure how you could do it, but I would find a way to get Gilmour onto the first or second unit. It's one of the most valuable things he offers. You could switch Gilmour and Roenick on the PP units, but that would mess up the chemistry of both of them, and neither would be as effective. I don't really see a way out of this.

Overall

This team is going to try to win games -10 to -9. It'll very likely be the best team defensively in the entire draft top to bottom. Great two-way forwards and defensive defensemen backstopped by a strong goalie. This team will be a better playoff team than regular season team. The biggest drawback is that I don't know if you have the offense to get it done. You'll get timely goals, but I don't know if it will be enough to keep up with some of the high powered offenses in this draft.

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Assistant Captains: Ron Francis, Denis Potvin, Charlie Conacher

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Louis Berlinguette - Derek Sanderson - Leo Labine

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PP2: Herbie Lewis - Sergei Fedorov - Reggie Leach - Doug Mohns - Albert Leduc

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PK1: Derek Sanderson - George Armstrong - Denis Potvin - Ken Morrow
PK2: Ron Francis - Sergei Fedorov - Doug Mohns - Bob Baun
PK3: Herbie Lewis - Louis Berlinguette - Denis Potvin - Ken Morrow


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Conacher154019
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Leach133016
Lambert120012
Holik120012
Armstrong120416
Berlinguette7029
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Thanks for the review.

There's only two things I'd disagree on:

- Leadership. You see it as a little weak, I'd say the team is actually quite loaded with leaders. Perhaps you meant the choice of letters? Because a team with Lemieux, Lapointe, Smyth, Dineen, O'Reilly, Risebrough, Morrow, Thornton, Ramage and Stapleton is not lacking leadership on any line or pairing.

- Overall defense impression. I would actually say I have a pretty damn good top-6, almost certainly in the top third of the field. I do lack a strong #1, but beyond that I think all my defensemen are actually clearly above par for their role. Especially the bottom pairing, which is basically two decent #4s.
I got the impression of Lapointe that he may have been the most talented of the Big 3 in Montreal but the least driven and that he would sleepwalk through some regular season games.

I agree that you have tons of lesser leaders, so I think you could find someone better than Lapointe to wear the A.

On the other hand, you dont really have a lot of flakes who need to be pushed.

I think you overrate your bottom pairing guys a bit - I see them both as more like #5s than #4s, but you still have a well above average bottom pair. But then the bottom pair is the least important. I think your top 4 is very average, which is fine considering the strength of your offense

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I think Doan's fine in the PK. He doesn't kill all that many penalties in Phoenix because they need his offense at even strength (he's led them in scoring something like 9 times), but when Team Canada selects players to kill penalties, they select guys like Doan, not the 3rd liners who do it in the NHL.

If Vecens has a problem in his second PK, it's the fact that I'm not sure if Doan or Middleton can take faceoffs

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Pat Burns


ROSTER

Cy Denneny - Frank Nighbor - Helmut Balderis
Patrik Elias - Adam Oates - Bryan Hextall Sr.
Craig Ramsay - Phil Goyette - Claude Provost
Patrick Marleau - Vincent Lecavalier - Tomas Sandstrom

Harry Howell - Leonard ''Red'' Kelly
Barry Beck - Dan Boyle
Jamie Macoun - Ron Stackhouse

Harry Lumley
Andy Moog

spares: Craig Conroy , Andre Dupont , Jason Spezza



SPECIAL UNITS

PP
Denneny - Oates - Balderis
Boyle - Kelly

Elias - Nighbor - Hextall
Goyette - Beck


PK
Ramsay - Nighbor
Howell - Beck

Goyette - Provost
Kelly - Macoun

OFFENSIVE HERO LINE
Denneny - Oates - Hextall Sr.
Boyle - Kelly
( Nighbor , Balderis )

DEFENSIVE HERO LINE
Ramsay - Nighbor - Provost
Howell - Kelly

To begin with: Very solid team overall, no critical weakness that I see. Well done sir.


Forwards:

-Your top line is good. Nighbor and Denneny back together is great. Balderis isn't a superstar up there, but he's not useless either. The line covers all the bases too. Good offensively, Nighbor's elite backchecking, and Denneny to resume the bodyguard role he played beside Nighbor in real life. Without looking, I don't think it'll challenge for the best offensive line in the draft, but it's still very good in that regard.

-Your second line is also high end IMO. Oates is a great 2nd line C, and Hextall (the most physical player in the history of sports ) is a very nice compliment there. Elias isn't super strong offensively in ATD terms, but he has a solid two-way game and a nice playoff resume.

-Third line is great defensively and brings some offense as well. Definitely a great matchup line.

- I've got no issues with the 4th line. Certainly not an elite defensive unit, but I think it can score. And more importantly, one that gives you options if a member of your top-6 gets hurt. Could be a little grittier, and it would have been great to get a fighter to play with Sandstrom (who plays about a foot taller when he has someone to back him up), but we can't have it all.

I guess I don't have much bad to say about your forward units. I don't think it's as good offensively as some, but it's certainly not bad, and it's very well balanced.


Defense:

I like your top pairing a lot. Kelly and Howell compliment each other quite well. Kelly is an elite defender here, and Howell is a fine #2.

The second pairing doesn't wow me, but it's not awful either. Good offensively for a #2 pairing, although I wouldn't consider it one of the elite defensive pairings. I've always had the impression that Beck played a risky-ish type game offensively and physically (Rob Blake-esque in terms of style). I'll admit though, I haven't had the chance to do much research on him. To me, both Boyle and Beck seem like guys I would like to pair with an above-average partner, if that makes sense. There's nothing wrong with them in their roles...but, idunno, meh.

Third pairing is a pretty typical one IMO. Got the good offensive player with the good defensive player. Won't win you games, but shouldn't lose you games either. Macoun is nice to have for the PK.


Goaltending:

Lumley is obviously a lower-end starter (which is fine). I think I'd like to see a better backup than Moog there though, but you picked one so late that there weren't many options. Between forwards, defense, and goaltending, this is obviously your weakest link.


Spares:

As awesome a dude as Craig Conroy is, I don't know about him at the ATD level (unless it's the ATD of terrible mustaches). To me, he was always just kinda "there", you know? But honestly, it doesn't matter a whole lot. You have good offensive options between your 4th line and Spezza, and if, say, Goyette went down, I think I'd be more comfortable with Lecavalier there than Conroy anyways. Dupont is a good spare D.


Special Teams:

PP1 - Your pointmen are excellent. The forwards are very good, but I wouldn't say elite in terms of a top PP unit. But not a problem in any way.

PP2 - I assume Phil Goyette played the point often if you have him there (not a critique, I just have no idea). Beck is fine there. The forwards are good, although you have 2 (if not 3) members of your 4th line who may be better options than Elias. Lecavalier and Marleau have both been more prolific PP scorers than Elias in their careers, and I'm not sure Sandstrom was any worse either. Even with all things being equal, it's nice to have 4th liners who can contribute on special teams to take the load off of your top-6 guys. I'd get Lecavalier on there.

PK1 - worst PK forwards ever. What were you thinking? Defense are strong.

Pk2 - very strong all around IMO.


Coaching: Pat Burns was a beauty. I think he's a good fit for a squad that will play a somewhat conservative style.


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GM: Dwight
Coach: Joel Quenneville
Captain: Toe Blake
Alternate Captains: Ed Westfall, Doug Wilson

Brian Propp - Elmer Lach - Vaclav Nedomansky
Toe Blake - Phil Watson - Dave Taylor
J.P. Parise - Bob Bourne - Ed Westfall
Ab McDonald - Steven Stamkos - Bobby Schmautz
Glen Skov - Mickey Redmond

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Jean-Guy Talbot - Dave Burrows
Duncan Keith - Phil Russell
Andrei Markov - Roman Hamrlik

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Olaf Kolzig

PP1: Toe Blake - Elmer Lach - Vaclav Nedomansky - Duncan Keith - Doug Wilson
PP2: Brian Propp - Steven Stamkos - Phil Watson - Jean-Guy Talbot - Tim Horton

PK1: Phil Watson - Ed Westfall - Tim Horton - Dave Burrows
PK2: Bob Bourne - Brian Propp - Jean-Guy Talbot - Phil Russell


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Kovalev103013
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K. Miller70411

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