1- We know already that we've produced the most NHL'ers or close to it.
2- We didn't hit homeruns.......yet. Which is something Price, Subban and MaxPac should take care of. But it is true that we've missed on potential great players. That 2003 and 2006 were key drafts and that we missed on them, also 2004 yet, the pool were thinner to choose from. That, I believe, for a guy who drools over the US, as he should, we should have a better record. So as in our own backyard.
3-And that drafting record should on his own fire Gauthier and Gainey. You can't be at the top of the drafting class and not be able to have a significant and gradual improvement as a team. You can't take those good draft picks like Streit, Grabs and Co and don't transform them into NOTHING. You can't have so many prospects do better elsewhere. We surely have the worst team of the league for that feature.
So clearly Timmins isn't the proble. But we've already established that already. Problem is that some still want to keep the guys who clearly stopped us from improving. Just because they made us a better team than the Réjean Houle era....Geez, when you are look as good people because you are doing better than Houle....are you really good? Or are the expectations set really really reallllllllllly low?
Montreal was brilliant at finding players all over the draft, but they didn’t hit a home run with any of their picks.
If by home run they mean Crosby, Malkin or Ovechkin then you need the top pick.
But I guess Price, Subban, Patches & McDonagh are only inside the ballpark home runs.
Also that article assumes that the only way to build a SC winner is through the draft. But the GMs of this organization have shown you can can also destroy a team by giving away for nothing or next to nothing your drafted NHLers (Sergei, D'Agostini, McDonagh, Ryder, Grabs, Ribeiro, Lats, Beauchemin, etc) .
I wish people would stop reminding me just how good Timmins is as head scout and how putrid Gainey & Gauthier are as GMs.
2- But it is true that we've missed on potential great players.
Other teams miss too!
How many other teams wish they had drafted MacPac? McDonagh and Subban?
Of course we could had drafted Frolov, Williams or Volchenkov instead of Marcel Hossa, but what about, Kryukov, Nedorost, Smirnov, Vorobiev, Yabukov, Kranhn, Alexeev, Jonsson All of them drafted before Hossa but didnt played as many game as Hossa.
Was Marcel Hossa a hit or miss? He was not too shabby for the rank he was drafted in 2000. (16th overall)
How about Bergeron, Krejci, Lucic and Marchand all after the first round?
I don't know what point you're trying to make but I can direct you to the Bruins forum where they have lots of pointless posts. It's this way-------------------------------------->
This is just a further indictment to how putrid our management has been over the last 5 years.
Gainey started off really well, building up our prospect base and making the Kovalev trade to finally have a game breaker.
It looks like everything went downhill once Gauthier was given the position of Assistant GM and Direct of Pro Scouting.
The trades we have made in giving up good young players for nothing has hindered this team to the point that we are back where we started when Gainey got hired. Ribeiro, Lats, Laps, SK given up for nothing and the grand daddy of them all, giving up McDonagh for Gomez and his huge cap hit have put this team into a death spiral. Had we just given Koivu a fair contract and avoided this whole Gomez debacle, we would be much better off.
I for one will be very upset if Molson does not clean house after our final game of the season. Please keep Timmins, but it is time for someone who knows talent and who will actually be liked by his peers.
Do you think teams give Gauthier favourable deals because they like him? No of course not....the ghost is likely not liked by other GM's so the only deals he can make are deals that he gets screwed on.
Time to bring in a social butterfly type who can be liked by his peers and his players. Someone who can create an environment that is liked by the players and that embraces their strengths. There is a reason that one or two players a year ask for trades out of Montreal. The SH** rolls downhill and it eventually ends up on our young talented players that Timmins does a good job of finding. Then management lacks the composure to actually get a good return for them.
This is just a further indictment to how putrid our management has been over the last 5 years.
Gainey started off really well, building up our prospect base and making the Kovalev trade to finally have a game breaker.
We seem to agree on mostly everything except for Gainey's part in this fiasco. I don't excuse Gainey one bit. He's just as much to blame as Gauthier - if not more.
every time I bring up his name as one of the culprits, his fans pipe up with the Rivet & Kovalev trade.
I'll hand it to Bobsled. He won the Rivet trade but it wasn't Rivet for Gorges & Patches. It was Rivet for Gorges & a 1st. Timmins made the Patches part happen. But yes Gainey won that trade.
As for the Kovalev trade there you see the real incompetence of this man as a GM. He gave Sather the choice of Balej or Pleks. Sather made the mistake of picking Balej. How good would that trade look today if Sather had picked Pleks instead?
So basically you've got the Rivet & Kovalev trade on one end of the scale and a truck load of ridiculous blunders on the other end.
McDonagh was drafted by Timmins, traded by the wrong people without probably asking Timmins how he was developing
Giroux well **** happens, plenty of teams passed on him as well
Actually, in the press conference after the Gomez aquisition, Gainey said they felt McDonagh hadn't progressed as well as they hoped up to that point. So a case could be made that Timmins gave them that scouting report.
Actually, in the press conference after the Gomez aquisition, Gainey said they felt McDonagh hadn't progressed as well as they hoped up to that point. So a case could be made that Timmins gave them that scouting report.
Actually, in the press conference after the Gomez aquisition, Gainey said they felt McDonagh hadn't progressed as well as they hoped up to that point. So a case could be made that Timmins gave them that scouting report.
Still was our second best defenseman prospect behind Subban at that point, and defensemen usually take longer to develop.
There's also the fact that we gave up something of value for a pricey stack of garbage.
Nobody expected Giroux to be this good, not even Flyers fans when they drafted him.
Giroux wasn't even the player the Flyers wanted. They were targeting Sanguinetti at that slot, but the Rangers swooped in and grabbed him.
Hell, Bobby Clarke couldn't even remember Giroux's name when it was time to make the selection. Sometimes you get lucky and miss the player you were hoping for and have a gem fall in your lap. Simple as that.
