Hey it's not our fault if we're smarter than the rest of the fans. It's like battered women: There are those who stay and continue to live in pain and those that say enough is enough and leave.
I've conditioned my sister's kid to think about the draft pick instead of winning games to get Grigorenko and he's been much more happy since.
Lately, everytime I hear people talking about the Canadiens out in the public it has always been negative.
Heck, even the janitor at my university's sports complex and gym opened up his heart today. He's usually not much of a talker, really just minding his business keeping the place clean. But today I overheard him talk for a good 5 minutes with another man while I was changing in the dressing room. The poor dude was pouring his heart out saying how the players just don't care anymore, they can't even give a small bit of entertainment during a loss.
Almost all of my friends stopped following this season months ago, nobody knows who frigging Rene Bourque is.
During Montreal Impact's season opener, various TV workers interviewed fans over there and when they asked questions about the Habs, they either turned their head away or laughed.
I definitely think that the tanking ideology only exists online, because fans outside of a computer box definitely want its team to win, no matter the circumstances.
Been a underachieving year with major injuries and player slumps. But I'm not discouraged as Habs have highest draft pick since Carey Price, tons of caproom and core young players to build around. Look at our goal differntial....we aren't as bad as our record says.
If anything management needs to be imploded after the season, no reason to harp on individual players for the whole team laying an egg most nights. The most pathetic season in my lifetime is almost done and once it is, its being left in the past and that's where it shall stay.
I just hope Mr.Molson has his blinders off and is actually paying attention behind the scenes to see where the REAL problems are!
Fans haven't given up on the Habs, they have given up on this season. And I also think that the 'real fans' are the ones informed enough to realize that while this SEASON is over, the Habs are not, and if we can draft one of the elite talents in the top 2 picks we could bounce back greatly next season.
Lately, everytime I hear people talking about the Canadiens out in the public it has always been negative.
Heck, even the janitor at my university's sports complex and gym opened up his heart today. He's usually not much of a talker, really just minding his business keeping the place clean. But today I overheard him talk for a good 5 minutes with another man while I was changing in the dressing room. The poor dude was pouring his heart out saying how the players just don't care anymore, they can't even give a small bit of entertainment during a loss.
Almost all of my friends stopped following this season months ago, nobody knows who frigging Rene Bourque is.
During Montreal Impact's season opener, various TV workers interviewed fans over there and when they asked questions about the Habs, they either turned their head away or laughed.
I definitely think that the tanking ideology only exists online, because fans outside of a computer box definitely want its team to win, no matter the circumstances.
Most fans see hockey as a 60-minute game, not a year-round drama. Discussing draft picks and UFAs and long-term development is like a film geek discussing camera placement and lens filters. Most fans don't care about the production, as long as the movie's good. Unfortunately, this season has been a series of lousy movies, so people have walked out. Explaining that there's a great movie coming in two or three years that's currently in pre-production is cold comfort to anyone with tickets for this weekend.
That's why I'm glad to be among film geeks on this board. Talkin' strategies for 2014 is a great distraction from 2012.
Most fans see hockey as a 60-minute game, not a year-round drama. Discussing draft picks and UFAs and long-term development is like a film geek discussing camera placement and lens filters. Most fans don't care about the production, as long as the movie's good. Unfortunately, this season has been a series of lousy movies, so people have walked out. Explaining that there's a great movie coming in two or three years that's currently in pre-production is cold comfort to anyone with tickets for this weekend.
That's why I'm glad to be among film geeks on this board. Talkin' strategies for 2014 is a great distraction from 2012.
How can someone who has already won a Conn Smythe absolutely not have "that level of ability"? Suggesting a proven playoff MVP couldn't possibly be a regular season MVP seems a bit daft to me; especially when we're talking about Toews.
He won the Conn Smyth due to his leadership and the fact they won the cup, but regarding regular season production, Giroux could win an Art Ross and/or a Maurice Richard trophy, and generally regular season MVPs require one of those. I just don't see 50 goals or 100 points ever coming from Toews...
Again, I'm not ripping Toews, just I consider Giroux a slight notch above him.
The Habs are stuck in a mire. Fortunately, it's not quicksand. Now they have to extricate themselves. It'll take time and it'll have to be done with great care but it can be done. Whoever is in charge will have to assess the personnel. Some players obviously have no future in Montréal but it's criminal to throw players away. The worst recent move was trading Andrei Kostitsyn for Nashville's second rounder, who is unlikely to be of comparable value. Then attention has to turn to rectifying the long term blunders, such as the unwise signings Bob Gainey made years ago. Scott Gomez must go, preferably at the lowest financial cost. I'm less concerned about Rene Bourque because for the ime being his salary is less than that of Michael Cammalleri and the Habs gained some assets in the transaction. Other logical targets are Kaberle (now that Andrei Markov is back) and Brian Gionta (who hasn't been a failure but who is not cost effective).
The Habs could certainly use more scoring. I don't see a new 30-goal forward in the organization, and I doubt that any 2012 draft choice will immediately become one, so I suppose the Habs should look for another team's excess Andrei Kostitsyn. After all, they have a truckload of second rounders to offer.
It was a beautiful day outside, I was making burgers, I opened the tv to watch some hockey. It felt like playoff season. Yet no playoffs there will be for us.
He won the Conn Smyth due to his leadership and the fact they won the cup, but regarding regular season production, Giroux could win an Art Ross and/or a Maurice Richard trophy, and generally regular season MVPs require one of those. I just don't see 50 goals or 100 points ever coming from Toews...
Again, I'm not ripping Toews, just I consider Giroux a slight notch above him.
I don't think many NHL GMs (including Gauthier or Gainey) would hesitate to pull the trigger if they were in a position to trade Giroux for Toews. Again, I'm not ripping Giroux.
I don't think many NHL GMs (including Gauthier or Gainey) would hesitate to pull the trigger if they were in a position to trade Giroux for Toews. Again, I'm not ripping Giroux.
I don't think there are any GMs who would take Giroux over Toews. I'm not ripping Giroux either.
He won the Conn Smyth due to his leadership and the fact they won the cup, but regarding regular season production, Giroux could win an Art Ross and/or a Maurice Richard trophy, and generally regular season MVPs require one of those. I just don't see 50 goals or 100 points ever coming from Toews...
Again, I'm not ripping Toews, just I consider Giroux a slight notch above him.
Well, finishing one point off the playoff lead in scoring probably helped as well. As for the 50 goal/100 part, I'll just point out that Toews has more goals than Giroux this year (despite missing more games with upper body problems), is continuing to become more productive in terms of PPG, and Giroux might not even hit 100 this year, so I don't know why you consider him a lock for it moving forward.
He won the Conn Smyth due to his leadership and the fact they won the cup, but regarding regular season production, Giroux could win an Art Ross and/or a Maurice Richard trophy, and generally regular season MVPs require one of those. I just don't see 50 goals or 100 points ever coming from Toews...
Again, I'm not ripping Toews, just I consider Giroux a slight notch above him.
Toews was 2nd in goals when he got hurt. He's been out for a long time and currently has more goals than Giroux does.
He was top ten in points before he went down and plays a strong two way game. I don't see how he doesn't come out on top here.
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Well, finishing one point off the playoff lead in scoring probably helped as well. As for the 50 goal/100 part, I'll just point out that Toews has more goals than Giroux this year (despite missing more games with upper body problems), is continuing to become more productive in terms of PPG, and Giroux might not even hit 100 this year, so I don't know why you consider him a lock for it moving forward.
Toews was the best player in that Olympic tournament too (along with Doughty.) The bigger the game the better he plays. Guy is a beast.
Obviously any preference for Giroux over Toews runs into a universe of skepticism if not of ridicule. Compared to Toews, Giroux is a talented accessory. The closest comparison in value to Toews on the Flyers is not Giroux but Pronger.
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Fans haven't given up on the Habs, they have given up on this season. And I also think that the 'real fans' are the ones informed enough to realize that while this SEASON is over, the Habs are not, and if we can draft one of the elite talents in the top 2 picks we could bounce back greatly next season.
Agree, except for the fact that this is a weak draft for forwards,don't feel any real elites exist and I also believe the team will not be competing for the basement next season,chance gone. Drew the wrong year to REALLY suck.
Lately, everytime I hear people talking about the Canadiens out in the public it has always been negative.
Heck, even the janitor at my university's sports complex and gym opened up his heart today. He's usually not much of a talker, really just minding his business keeping the place clean. But today I overheard him talk for a good 5 minutes with another man while I was changing in the dressing room. The poor dude was pouring his heart out saying how the players just don't care anymore, they can't even give a small bit of entertainment during a loss.
Almost all of my friends stopped following this season months ago, nobody knows who frigging Rene Bourque is.
During Montreal Impact's season opener, various TV workers interviewed fans over there and when they asked questions about the Habs, they either turned their head away or laughed.
I definitely think that the tanking ideology only exists online, because fans outside of a computer box definitely want its team to win, no matter the circumstances.
I know a lot of people who want the team to have a top pick for once, even a lot a people told me they would absolutely love if we were to have a roster full of young inexperienced player for a few years as long as the team is entertaining.
I understand that the more the Habs lose, the better the draft pick and the better the player they could pick up. That's fantastic and great for their future, I won't deny that. I still can't bring myself to cheer against them.
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