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Reality Check: Drafting and Prospects

After 2003 people have been expecting prospects to become the next super star after the first round. After Crosby it only just further gave reason to "Tank". This theory is utter bullcrap and doesn't mean that the top picks will give you the cup.

I am sure you all know that, well majority of the people should. Does building talent through draft really mean that? Or Going for the bottom of the rankings to get that so called super-star truly a game changer?

Let's see what the record is for those who drafted first overall from 1995-2008 that gotten the stanley cup. That team will be in the bold.

1995-2008 First Overall Selected Team:
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Ottawa1995Bryan Berard
Ottawa1996Chris Philips
Boston1997Joe Thornton
Atlanta Thrashers1998Patrik Stefan
Tampa Bay1999Vincent Lecavalier
NY Islanders2000Rick Dipietro
Atlanta2001Ilya Kovalchuk
Columbus2002Rick Nash
Pittsburgh2003Marc-Andre Fleury
Washington2004Alexander Ovechkin
Pittsburgh2005Sidney Crosby
St.Louis2006Erik Johnson
Chicago Blackhawks2007Patrick Kane
Tampa Bay2008Steven Stamkos

Off that only three teams have made it, and even the recently stanley cup champ didn't have the help of the so called first over.

The only one who has truly made a huge impact for the cup run is none other Sidney Crosby[drafted in 2005], without a doubt, the best player in the world, got the cup in 2008-2009 season, having a insane playoff run with 31 points in 24 points and even then he wasn't the winner of the conn smyhe.

The other was Vincent Lecavalier[drafted in 1998], who got the cup in 2003-2004 season, being a key player, having 16 points in 21 games.

Chicago Blackhawks is the other one who got the cup in 2009-2010, because of Patrick kane, who was PPG in the playoffs, 16 points in 16 games.

So from 1995-2008 only three team has been able to accomplish feat of get Lord Stanley, the ratio of it? 3/13. Therefore the chances of making the cup is 23 percent.

Even then from that list, only one is the team that try can repeat year after year, and that would be Pittsburgh Penguins as they truly have the best player in the world, who can be called a generational talent and another who is close as you can get to Generational talent in Evengi Malkin and probably the next best goalie in the league in a very strong defensive team, in Marc-Andre Fleury.

Tampa Bay Lightning
Tampa Bay which was lead by Lecavalier, eventually crashed, albeit there was more than one reason for collapse[ownership issues], they have gotten the first overall pick and the second overall pick again in recent times. While barely holding some pieces of the winning team, I believe three are still retained by the team, the captain, Martin St. Louis, and Pavel Kubina. Yet look at this team, they are still struggling to find their rhythm and looking to get the playoff spot. Yea they made the playoffs but did they get the cup or again to the cup finals as soon as they got the first overall or the second overall? Nope. Did their drafting really help them? I dont think so either. Some of the key players of the team were actually undrafted and the one that's most notable, is ofc Martin St. Louis, the other being Ruslan Fedetenko, who was a beast in the playoffs as well(notable for scoring the stanley cup final), was traded for. Dan Boyle was another notable undrafted player, who was also signed via free-agency.

A veteran leader who was the captain for that and at one point a high scoring winger in Dave Andreychuk. Alternate captain Fredik Modin, a traded player ofc. Pavel Kubina, [179th overall, 1996] was played a big role too right? Cory Sarich? Traded. Brad Richards? [64th overall, 1998], their goalie for the playoffs was as well traded for.

So did draft really help them? Maybe to some extent, but it wasn't purely draft based.

The players that drove them were acquired aside from draft, not to mention Martin St. Louis was the Art Ross winner, Richards won the Lady Byng, St. Louis also won the +/- (dont really count this)


Chicago Blackhawks
Chicago Blackhawks got their first cup in 47 years I believe? In 2009-2010 After getting Kane [1st overall, 2007], Toews [3rd Overall, 2006], Skille [7th overall, 2005],Barker [3rd overall, 2004], Seabrook [14th overall, 2003], Babchuk [21st overall, 2002], Toumo Ruutu [9th overall, 2001], Mikhail Yakubov [10th overall, 2000], Steve McCarthy [23rd Overall, 1999], Mark Bell [8th overall, 1998].

So did those drafted player play a crucial role? Sure some. Kane, Toews, Seabrook[drafted in 2003, who finally started playing in the bigs in 2005-2006] Duncan Keith [Drafted 54th Overall, 2002. Who also didn't play 2005-2006 season], Dustin Byugflien [Drafted 245th Overall, 2003, finally started playing full time in 2007-2008], David Bolland [32nd Overall, 2004, finally started playing in bigs full time 2008-2009], Troy Brouwer [214th overall, 2004, started playing full time in 2008-2009 season] & Niklas Hjalmarsson [108th overall, 2005, finally started playing in the bigs full time in 2009-2010].

Others who played crucial roles, Patrick Sharp [trade from the Philadelphia Flyers in the 2006 entry draft], Marian Hossa [UFA Signing], Antti Neimi [UFA signing 2009-2010 Season, after losing their MVP in Martin Havlat to the wilds], Brent Sopel [signed one year in 2007, and three extension next for 3 years], Andrew Ladd [Traded from Carolina hurricanes for Tuomo Ruutu, 2008], Kris Versteeg [Traded from the Boston Bruins, 2007], Brian Campbell [2008 UFA signing], John Madden [2009 UFA signing]

Sure drafting help but were they all first rounders that helped them immediately? No, because they had to move pieces, they had to acquire the right players, and also wait for players to develop and make it happen and sign the players.



Pittsburgh Penguins
Last but not least, the famous Pittsburgh Penguins, they are one of a kind and I believe they are the ones that truly immortalized that "tanking" can work. I love the penguins, one of the best coaches in the NHL who doesn't get enough credit in Dan Byslma. A great young defensemen who is a leader in an already leaderfilled team in Kris Letang. A close to generational player in Evengi Malkin who is living in the shadow of the greatest hockey hockey player of all time in Sidney Crosby, while showing the world he is no less of a player winning the conn smythe in the 2008-2009 stanley cup final. A very good player in Jordan Staal also definitely didn't hurt them.

So let's see who were the crucial players for their run shall we?
Evengi Malkin[drafted 2nd overall, 2004] without a doubt was a key player, who ended up winning the Art Ross Trophy that year, Sidney Crosby [1st overall, 2005], Marc-Andre Fleury [1st overall, 2003, didn't play till 2005-2006], Jordan Staal[2nd overall, 2006], Letang [62nd overall, 2005, didn't play 2007-2008 season], Talbot [234th overall, 2002 overall, didn't play fully till the 2006-2007 season], Goligoski [61th overall, 2004, didn't play till 2008-2009 season], Brooks Orpik [18th overall, 2000, didn't play till 2003-2004 season].

Chris Kunitz [undrafted player, traded from the Anaheim Ducks, 2009], Bill Guerin [Traded from Islanders, 2008], Hal Gall [Traded from the Leafs, 2008], Darryl Sydor [Traded from Dallas, 2008], Mike Zigomanis [Traded from Phoenix, 2008], Pascal Dupuis [undrafted player, Traded from Thrashers, 2008], Petr Skyora [UFA signed, in 2007, albeit was more help during the season rather than in the playoffs], Ruslan Fedotenko [Undrafted player, UFA signing, 2008] & Sergei Gonchar [UFA Signing, 2005].

Again, generational. after all that loss from that miracle run, one year after another, they still were able to return and make an impact. Did drafting help? Sure. But look at how the works of signing and trades did. Not to mention getting help from the best player in the world doesn't hurt at all now does it?



My point is that getting the first overall and just dropping like a stone to the bottom of the standings aren't going to get you the cup, it's not the way to get it. Those who have won it, it took them a while to get that team meshed, created and it isn't quickly as you believe. Hell the only from getting drafted that high were able to repeat that very likely as soon as this season is the penguins because of their insane lucky. Prospect don't jump in and make an immediate impact in the rankings for the team in the upcoming season. Hell even Crosby wasn't able to do that with Mario Lemieux in the team. Neither was Ovechkin, nor Tavares, nor Stamkos, nor Rick Nash, neither Hall, nor Ryan Nugent Hopkins, nor Kovalchuk. The list oh goes on.

Some prospect who have the highest potential as well may not even even step up in the bigs now or in a year, they may step up in a few years and mature over time. We have truly been blessed some great hockey players in recent times but due to that you shouldn't burden future prospects or current prospect with those expectation. Take a step back and realize that.

People are complaining about prospects yet we have around 7-8 First rounder in the last 4 years? What do you have to do you ask, just be patient. No matter how crappy this collapse is we are letting your young players develop in their time line, in their own way, so we can get them to bring out their best or as much as possible that's in their tank. We are on the right track, we are the youngest team and people are still complaining, we lack veterans to lead the group but as the years progress we get more maturity from our players. That 45 year rant isn't going to magically turn into the next first overall pick for you, nor is it going to get you to sign the best free-agent in the upcoming july 1st. Just calm down and re-think about it.

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Leafs need the 1st overall pick to get a franchise player.
Regardless if it brings us the cup or not, we need a franchise player to be the face of the team, to have something to cheer for, to have something to look forward to.

We do not have that player, Phil Kessel is not a franchise player.
Now it is possible that we might get a franchise player through a different route or lower pick, but first overall gives us a highly likeable chance to obtain that player.

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Lol at ottawa drafting berard, phillips, and daigle with three first overall picks in one decade. What awful drafting....(barring extenuating circumstances of course)

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Lol at ottawa drafting berard, phillips, and daigle with three first overall picks in one decade. What awful drafting....(barring extenuating circumstances of course)
If I am not mistaken Yashin was 2nd overall in 1992 but yeah still terrible drafting by the Sens however I think any team in their position would have likely made the same picks.

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Chicago Blackhawks is the other one who got the cup in 2009-2010, because of Patrick kane, who was PPG in the playoffs, 16 points in 16 games.
Patrick Kane scored 28 points in 22 games that playoffs. I actually thought he deserved the Conn Smythe over Toews. He also scored the OT goal to win the Cup.

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Lol at ottawa drafting berard, phillips, and daigle with three first overall picks in one decade. What awful drafting....(barring extenuating circumstances of course)
...and yet Alfredsson was a 5th round pick. Don't forget other first rounders like Havlat, Hossa, Spezza, Karlsson. They may not have drafted great from first overall, but the OP's point is that it is true the 1st overall does not guarantee a franchise player. One only needs to look at Schenn, or Brian Lee for us, taken ahead of Mark Staal. You need, at least two to three per draft to fill the cupboards. Get depth in the organization.

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Chicago moved up significantly in the lottery to get Kane from 5th to 1st. Just thought it was worth mentioning as they are the only big market(yes they sorta operated back then like a small) I see getting the first.

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The 1st overall pick is almost gauranteed to become a franchise player. Does it gaurantee a cup win soon-ish? No. But it certainly increases your chance.

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Drafting isn't the only way to win that's true but.. I can't remember the how long it's been that an organization that knew it's team sucked trade 2 first round picks to playoff and then Cup contenders?

Islanders traded the 2nd overall pick + Chara for Yashin but they were just a ****ing terrible organization run by terrible people.

Burke is supposed to be smarter than that. He not only traded for Kessel he traded him within the division against a team that the Leafs already had a tough time against.

To make matters worse, Tyler Seguin goes bat crap crazy against the Leafs and Kessel has a hard time to even show up against Boston. If the Leafs ever made the playoffs and had to meet Boston...things are going to ugly.

The moral of the story is: If you know your team is going to suck, you don't trade first round picks.

Look at Edmonton...they tried to get guys like Hossa, Heatley, Vanek, Penner etc in various different manners, and then they realized the team sucked from it's depth to its core and couldn't get those guys to come to Edmonton, they didn't trade for Kessel and give up picks, they instead knew they were not a good hockey team and drafted Hall and RNH.

We're not a good hockey team and we basically "tanked" without our first round pick, and last year would have been a DISASTER if Reimer didn't put up .920+.

It's been a long time since a top UFA wanted to come to the Leafs, that alone should be an indicator that the Leafs aren't good enough. Drafting doesn't guarantee you the Cup but it guarantees you hope at a shot at one.

While we have guys like Bozak and Lupul (who hopefully can play at least 75% of what he played this year) the Oilers have Taylor Hall and RNH.

What did the Leafs accomplish in the years they missed the playoffs? Phil Kessel...heck you can even add Gardiner and Phaneuf if you want.

What did the Oilers accomplish in the years they missed the playoffs? Taylor Hall and RNH.

Kessel + Phaneuf + Gardiner < Hall and RNH.

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There's still a lot of really good players on that list that haven't won the Stanley Cup, but I rather get a higher pick and still get one of them. Tanking doesn't guarantee anything but you still have a higher chance of getting a really good player which is what we need

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So from 1995-2008 only three team has been able to accomplish feat of get Lord Stanley, the ratio of it? 3/13. Therefore the chances of making the cup is 23 percent.
There are 30 teams in the league, therefore the chance for any one team to win the cup is 1/30 = 3.33 percent. Getting the 1st overall pick suddenly boost your chance to 23 percent!!! How can you argue that picking 1st overall isn't an effective way to increase your chance to success?

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You have to keep in mind, guys like Datsyuk can't be expected to be found in the 7th round regularly. You need high picks to get players who will realistically end up that good. Sure you get late first rounders like Giroux, Getzlaf, Perry, Parise, Eberle who turn out to be superstar core pieces, but generally, you have a better chance to getting these players at the top of the draft (Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Tavares, Staal, Spezza, Toews, Kane, Sedins). Combine these superstar core players with good goaltending, good defense, and good coaching, and you get championships. Of course, you can also be like Anaheim and Boston's cup teams and great Unbelievable defense, goaltending, and coaching, and be the exception to the rule and win the Stanley Cup without superstar forwards. But generally, superstar highly drafted core pieces definitely do more help than harm to team success in the future.

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1st overall gives you a unique talent to build around. Doesn't equate a Cup win.

Since 2001, aside from EJ, look at that list and tell me you wouldn't want any of the guys on this team.

Hell, I'd even take EJ at this point..

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If winning the cup is the only stat, I don't agree with the analysis. It's not a stanley cup or nothing, but building a contending team.

I agree a team should not build around the draft exclusively, as asset management involves having a sharp eye for talent in free agency and trades as well. I advocate for a hybrid style of rebuilding, retain draft picks and develop young players, but also acquire roster players through free agency and trades that give an opportunity for young developing players to push the veterans out.

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Drafting isn't the only way to win that's true but.. I can't remember the how long it's been that an organization that knew it's team sucked trade 2 first round picks to playoff and then Cup contenders?

Islanders traded the 2nd overall pick + Chara for Yashin but they were just a ****ing terrible organization run by terrible people.

Burke is supposed to be smarter than that. He not only traded for Kessel he traded him within the division against a team that the Leafs already had a tough time against.

To make matters worse, Tyler Seguin goes bat crap crazy against the Leafs and Kessel has a hard time to even show up against Boston. If the Leafs ever made the playoffs and had to meet Boston...things are going to ugly.

The moral of the story is: If you know your team is going to suck, you don't trade first round picks.

Look at Edmonton...they tried to get guys like Hossa, Heatley, Vanek, Penner etc in various different manners, and then they realized the team sucked from it's depth to its core and couldn't get those guys to come to Edmonton, they didn't trade for Kessel and give up picks, they instead knew they were not a good hockey team and drafted Hall and RNH.

We're not a good hockey team and we basically "tanked" without our first round pick, and last year would have been a DISASTER if Reimer didn't put up .920+.

It's been a long time since a top UFA wanted to come to the Leafs, that alone should be an indicator that the Leafs aren't good enough. Drafting doesn't guarantee you the Cup but it guarantees you hope at a shot at one.

While we have guys like Bozak and Lupul (who hopefully can play at least 75% of what he played this year) the Oilers have Taylor Hall and RNH.

What did the Leafs accomplish in the years they missed the playoffs? Phil Kessel...heck you can even add Gardiner and Phaneuf if you want.

What did the Oilers accomplish in the years they missed the playoffs? Taylor Hall and RNH.

Kessel + Phaneuf + Gardiner < Hall and RNH.
Look at their core, and then look at ours, look at their depth and then look at ours.

Neither does seguin have to play against a vezina trophy winner, nor does he have to play a norris trophy winner.

Kessel is third in goals, 4th in scoring point total, but look at those players and their respective team and then look at ours, they are in stacked teams with good talent around, what does kessel have? A top line winger in Lupul fortunately, and bozak who is a third line center in a really good team who has chemistry with them, imagine the spike if that was a top line center.

Nashville predators were also after kessel, do you know what they offered? A first rounder, and a secound rounder and jonathon blum(another first rounder). Kessel price is the right one, people are just seeing the worst of it and hell this trade isn't even done as its not panned out. It's like kessel is 30+, he is 24 for crying out loud. Did burke over-estimate the team when he came here? Yes but the price for kessel was the correct one, unfortunate the demise of our team is why people always fume.

I am proving the point that getting the first overall over and over and over again DOESN'T really increase your chance as people believe, i made it 13 year first overall span, if i was to make it 10 years it would be even shorter. If you call 23% a great chance to get the cup then really all the best to you, especially in a salary cap world, I would applaud any GM if they are able to do that. IF you are truly satisfied with non stop selecting first overall your ass should be fired. Hell I am going to be tentatively watching how long of an extension steve tambellini is going to get, because he's had a lot of top 10 pick with nothing to show for it.

You get good talent but you need depth from all parts of your team, not just one franchise player, if that was the case penguins should have been only able to win crosby right? Or just fleury? What about Nash? What happened there, he signed that extension but did it get him the cup ? The franchise the cup? No.

You draft for depth not and if you are lucky, franchise players, you use your depth to cushion your prospect development time and also use prospects and pick to get the right players in your team to spearhead you.

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I only see two teams I would call big market on that list and both have one the cup recently.

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Look at their core, and then look at ours, look at their depth and then look at ours.

Neither does seguin have to play against a vezina trophy winner, nor does he have to play a norris trophy winner.

Kessel is third in goals, 4th in scoring point total, but look at those players and their respective team and then look at ours, they are in stacked teams with good talent around, what does kessel have? A top line winger in Lupul fortunately, and bozak who is a third line center in a really good team who has chemistry with them, imagine the spike if that was a top line center.

Nashville predators were also after kessel, do you know what they offered? A first rounder, and a secound rounder and jonathon blum(another first rounder). Kessel price is the right one, people are just seeing the worst of it and hell this trade isn't even done as its not panned out. It's like kessel is 30+, he is 24 for crying out loud. Did burke over-estimate the team when he came here? Yes but the price for kessel was the correct one, unfortunate the demise of our team is why people always fume.

I am proving the point that getting the first overall over and over and over again DOESN'T really increase your chance as people believe, i made it 13 year first overall span, if i was to make it 10 years it would be even shorter. If you call 23% a great chance to get the cup then really all the best to you, especially in a salary cap world, I would applaud any GM if they are able to do that. IF you are truly satisfied with non stop selecting first overall your ass should be fired. Hell I am going to be tentatively watching how long of an extension steve tambellini is going to get, because he's had a lot of top 10 pick with nothing to show for it.

You get good talent but you need depth from all parts of your team, not just one franchise player, if that was the case penguins should have been only able to win crosby right? Or just fleury? What about Nash? What happened there, he signed that extension but did it get him the cup ? The franchise the cup? No.

You draft for depth not and if you are lucky, franchise players, you use your depth to cushion your prospect development time and also use prospects and pick to get the right players in your team to spearhead you.
You have to go beyond points...Kessel is a great player but even when he's committed to defense, his line is just a defensive disaster.

As far as going and comparing the Bruins roster to the Leafs..it's not Seguin's fault that the Bruins are so talented. He probably thought he'd be going to a bad team when his last OHL year started...

Burke has failed to put together a supporting cast for Kessel. Seguin has everything in him to be that complete player, he's got great speed, great shot, great vision, isn't afraid to take hits or play on the boards.

Seguin will be a better player than Kessel in a year or two, and that doesn't necessarily mean he'll have more points than him (though that is entirely possible).

I don't blame Kessel, he is what he is and they knew everything about him before they got him from Boston. Burke on the other hand failed to put together a team mainly because it's nearly impossible to build a team around a winger unless he's Ovechkin or something.

If I had the chance to trade Kessel right now for Seguin and Hamilton, I'd do it in a millisecond even though I like Kessel.

Also, Peter Chiarelli was smart not to take Nashville's offer because the talent on the Leafs team is much lower than the talent on Nashville, they have a stud goalie, two stud defenseman, an amazing coach and well rounded and underrated offense. They would have got a #15-20 pick along with Blum and a 2nd which would have been highway robbery..

PC wanted Kaberle and Kadri (the pick not the player) @ the draft and he refused at that time..even that deal is highway robbery for the Leafs had they done it. Burke just overrated his players like he and Leafs fans have done to this point and the result ended up being Seguin, Hamilton and Knight.

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...and yet Alfredsson was a 5th round pick. Don't forget other first rounders like Havlat, Hossa, Spezza, Karlsson. They may not have drafted great from first overall, but the OP's point is that it is true the 1st overall does not guarantee a franchise player. One only needs to look at Schenn, or Brian Lee for us, taken ahead of Mark Staal. You need, at least two to three per draft to fill the cupboards. Get depth in the organization.
Of course. I was just saying, quite unfortunate that three first round picks in one decade all ended up being fairly disappointing...

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You have to go beyond points...Kessel is a great player but even when he's committed to defense, his line is just a defensive disaster.

As far as going and comparing the Bruins roster to the Leafs..it's not Seguin's fault that the Bruins are so talented. He probably thought he'd be going to a bad team when his last OHL year started...

Burke has failed to put together a supporting cast for Kessel. Seguin has everything in him to be that complete player, he's got great speed, great shot, great vision, isn't afraid to take hits or play on the boards.

Seguin will be a better player than Kessel in a year or two, and that doesn't necessarily mean he'll have more points than him (though that is entirely possible).

I don't blame Kessel, he is what he is and they knew everything about him before they got him from Boston. Burke on the other hand failed to put together a team mainly because it's nearly impossible to build a team around a winger unless he's Ovechkin or something.

If I had the chance to trade Kessel right now for Seguin and Hamilton, I'd do it in a millisecond even though I like Kessel.
Let's just agree to disagree because I could retaliate, but I rather keep it regarding drafting and prospects.

This post also serves as a warning, stay true to the topic, hence the reason I started this thread, I will delete the possibly seguin-kessel crap again.

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Of course. I was just saying, quite unfortunate that three first round picks in one decade all ended up being fairly disappointing...
even they haven't won the cup.

Heck the player that looks to be the true gem in edmonton isn't even hall, it's eberle, when hall becomes complete that guy will be someone special for sure.

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We do not have that player, Phil Kessel is not a franchise player.
I've said it before, but if Kessel were putting up 35-50 goals on another team and was another team's top star player and wasn';t with Toronto, the Leafs fanbase would be dreaming up ways to get him on the Leafs, either to trade for him or sign him as a RFA and would be considered "exactly the kind of exciting sniper this team needs!"

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even they haven't won the cup.

Heck the player that looks to be the true gem in edmonton isn't even hall, it's eberle, when hall becomes complete that guy will be someone special for sure.
Well, they did get to the final. But yeah, Eberle looks better than both Hall and RNH. Obviously it's a premature judgment though...

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Also, Peter Chiarelli was smart not to take Nashville's offer because the talent on the Leafs team is much lower than the talent on Nashville, they have a stud goalie, two stud defenseman, an amazing coach and well rounded and underrated offense. They would have got a #15-20 pick along with Blum and a 2nd which would have been highway robbery..

PC wanted Kaberle and Kadri (the pick not the player) @ the draft and he refused at that time..even that deal is highway robbery for the Leafs had they done it. Burke just overrated his players like he and Leafs fans have done to this point and the result ended up being Seguin, Hamilton and Knight.
Actually Nashville barely made the playoffs the year before that.

Not to mention and each time the preds made the playoffs they were out of the team.

You are talking about a team with a stud defense and goaltending, but neither of them were drafted first overall, and none of their best players were high picked either.

It's about drafting the players and developing them and letting them play at their own pace.

You can't expect one player to take that entire load and run it.

Riddle me this, is Giroux a franchise player to you?

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I've said it before, but if Kessel were putting up 35-50 goals on another team and was another team's top star player and wasn';t with Toronto, the Leafs fanbase would be dreaming up ways to get him on the Leafs, either to trade for him or sign him as a RFA and would be considered "exactly the kind of exciting sniper this team needs!"
sad truth.

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There are 30 teams in the league, therefore the chance for any one team to win the cup is 1/30 = 3.33 percent. Getting the 1st overall pick suddenly boost your chance to 23 percent!!! How can you argue that picking 1st overall isn't an effective way to increase your chance to success?
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My point is that getting the first overall and just dropping like a stone to the bottom of the standings aren't going to get you the cup, it's not the way to get it. Those who have won it, it took them a while to get that team meshed, created and it isn't quickly as you believe. Hell the only from getting drafted that high were able to repeat that very likely as soon as this season is the penguins because of their insane lucky. Prospect don't jump in and make an immediate impact in the rankings for the team in the upcoming season. Hell even Crosby wasn't able to do that with Mario Lemieux in the team. Neither was Ovechkin, nor Tavares, nor Stamkos, nor Rick Nash, neither Hall, nor Ryan Nugent Hopkins, nor Kovalchuk. The list oh goes on.
Out of 13 first overalls only 3 have been able to touch the cup.

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