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03-21-2012, 02:09 AM
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There's no link. It was reported he quietly put the word out to GM's he has no intention of playing in Canada by Bob Stauffer the closest guy in the media to the Edmonton Oilers.
That's bs, no Player in their right mind would come out and say that for soooo many diffrent reasons. Least of all he plays with a bunch of Canadians, even if he felt that way makes zero sence to put a slight against half your teammates country. Bargaining power... Being perceived as a bigot... Closing 7 options on himself without hearing or looking into what they can offer...

How does a writer from Edmonton know what's going on with Suter? If this story had any validity to it it would come from Nashville and probably a few other sources as well, not Edmonton. Funny how you google 'Bob Stauffer, Ryan Suter' and the only mention that comes up about Suter not wanting to play in Canada is from you.

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That's bs, no Player in their right mind would come out and say that for soooo many diffrent reasons. Least of all he plays with a bunch of Canadians, even if he felt that way makes zero sence to put a slight against half your teammates country. Bargaining power... Being perceived as a bigot... Closing 7 options on himself without hearing or looking into what they can offer...

How does a writer from Edmonton know what's going on with Suter? If this story had any validity to it it would come from Nashville and probably a few other sources as well, not Edmonton. Funny how you google 'Bob Stauffer, Ryan Suter' and the only mention that comes up about Suter not wanting to play in Canada is from you.
I'm not saying that the story is correct, but it could be plausible that Suter made such comments around the deadline, when it was discussed whether or not to trade him considering his decision to test free agency.

"If you are looking to trade me, I would prefer it not be..." etc

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That's bs, no Player in their right mind would come out and say that for soooo many diffrent reasons. Least of all he plays with a bunch of Canadians, even if he felt that way makes zero sence to put a slight against half your teammates country. Bargaining power... Being perceived as a bigot... Closing 7 options on himself without hearing or looking into what they can offer...

How does a writer from Edmonton know what's going on with Suter? If this story had any validity to it it would come from Nashville and probably a few other sources as well, not Edmonton. Funny how you google 'Bob Stauffer, Ryan Suter' and the only mention that comes up about Suter not wanting to play in Canada is from you.
fwiw, Stauffer is more connected with the hockey world than most journalists. He's got an direct link with the Oilers organization and often hints at things on his show before they go down. Obviously he can't come outright and pass along everything he hears, but he's definitely got credibility and the credentials to back it up.

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Compare the contract he got in New York, to the one that the Calgary Flames were offering him. Then come and tell me that they are very different scenarios.

Like I said, you don't know what you are talking about, in July Suter will get his money, at which point you will still have no idea what you are talking about, and then we will discuss how reducing his options by 23% "never resulted in a good outcome".
Richards never said he didn't want to sign with a Canadian team. Where are you going with this?

He signed with the better team who offered him slightly less than the worse off team did. Big surprise!

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03-21-2012, 02:18 AM
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Richards never said he didn't want to sign with a Canadian team. Where are you going with this?

He signed with the better team who offered him slightly less than the worse off team did. Big surprise!
Was suggested many times he didn't want to play in Canada.

He had almost identical deal in Calgary compared to what he eventually took in New York

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03-21-2012, 02:20 AM
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Was suggested many times he didn't want to play in Canada.

He had almost identical deal in Calgary compared to what he eventually took in New York
He listened to offers which means he contemplated it. Suter, allegedly, will not entertain offers.

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fwiw, Stauffer is more connected with the hockey world than most journalists. He's got an direct link with the Oilers organization and often hints at things on his show before they go down. Obviously he can't come outright and pass along everything he hears, but he's definitely got credibility and the credentials to back it up.
Thats fine, but I'm sure he hears bs too. Not everything going his way can possibly be true if it's roumored or gossip. Unless Suter himself or his agent Or mutiple media heads come out and say it I'm not inclined to believe something that isn't even written down anywhere, or an audio quote floating around. Like I said too many reasons to believe its just bs at this point like 95% of the stuff that is thrown around.

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03-21-2012, 03:09 AM
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He listened to offers which means he contemplated it. Suter, allegedly, will not entertain offers.
so what, when Kovalchuk hit free agency he said he didn't want to live or play in Canada and yet he still got his 100 million, last Summer Parise said he has no interest in playing for a Canadian team but he'll probably still cash out this summer

Suter will get his money

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03-21-2012, 10:36 AM
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what would suter want?

7.5 for 7 yrs ?

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Schultz or Suter are the best hope

Plus you have Schenn and Gardiner developing

Underdog Blacker

no need to waste assets.

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Develop one of the many we have on our team and in our system.

The only one on our team that's rounding over the hill is Komisarek.

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Nothing.

Cash to Ryan Suter in four months. Done.
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We really can't afford to give more money to our back end. If we want Suter we need to get rid of Komisarek and Phaneuf.

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what would we have to trade to aquire a #1 defenceman
Trade Phaneuff for the cap space to sign Suter as a UFA.

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03-21-2012, 12:56 PM
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I'm not saying that they don't have money but effectively reducing your potential suitors by roughly 23% is never a good outcome.

Brad Richards was in a very different scenario, one which saw the Toronto Maple Leafs loft the largest offer to him. Richards, however, had different goals in that he wanted a retirement contract and an NMC and Burke wouldn't budge on the length of the contract.
you shouldnt make stuff up, and not expect people to call BS on you, because the Leafs did not make the largest offer

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sign Matt Carle and draft Ryan Murray

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Give him 7.5 mill

Give him your 1st born.

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a) Draft one
b) Hope Gardiner develops into one
c) Try to sign/trade for an up and coming dman with high end potential (like Schultz)
d) Try to sign a top notch UFA (like Suter)

Drafting one is the surest bet, because once teams get their hands on a #1 dman, they'll generally do everything in their power to keep said dman around. I think Gardiner has #1 upside, who knows if he gets there, but I'm pretty high on his future. Same goes for Schultz, and while I think we probably do not land him, I could see us having a shot.

As for Suter, I cannot see why he'd want to play for the Leafs at all, I'd give us close to a 0% chance of signing him, but hey, you never know. Seriously though, Nashville are way better than us, he likes it there, he's American so there's no special lure to playing in Canada, and we literally never land the top free agents, why would he want to sign here and suffer through a struggling, directionless franchise? If he leaves Nashville (and that's a big "if"), I have to think it'll be to go to a team that are BETTER than the Preds, not a team that's way worse.

One last option is to hope Phaneuf develops into a steady #1 dman. He has the offense to be a #1 dman, and he's got size and physicality on his side, but he has a LONG way to go in terms of playing at a high level in his own end. His defensive positioning needs work for sure, and more than that I think he's actually a pretty poor backwards skater. He's quite mobile going forwards, but going backwards guys simply walk around him like he's standing still all the time, I can't count the number of times that Phaneuf is defending in a 1 on 1 situation, and the opposing forward simply skates right around him with no semblance of a move, just blowing by him like he's standing still. If he improves his backwards skating, and generally improves his defensive positioning, he could be a legit #1 dman. Sounds like a long shot, but he is only 26, and it's not that uncommon for dmen to really have it all "click" around their late 20s/early 30s.


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That's bs, no Player in their right mind would come out and say that for soooo many diffrent reasons. Least of all he plays with a bunch of Canadians, even if he felt that way makes zero sence to put a slight against half your teammates country. Bargaining power... Being perceived as a bigot... Closing 7 options on himself without hearing or looking into what they can offer...

How does a writer from Edmonton know what's going on with Suter? If this story had any validity to it it would come from Nashville and probably a few other sources as well, not Edmonton. Funny how you google 'Bob Stauffer, Ryan Suter' and the only mention that comes up about Suter not wanting to play in Canada is from you.
Stauffer is very well connected. Oilers fans heard about the Johnson Carter trade almost an hour before it was reported by any major media. You don't have to believe me but don't be suprised if you start hearing this reported by by Bob Mackenzie and the gang as July 1st approaches.

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a) Draft one
b) Hope Gardiner develops into one
c) Try to sign/trade for an up and coming dman with high end potential (like Schultz)
d) Try to sign a top notch UFA (like Suter)

Drafting one is the surest bet, because once teams get their hands on a #1 dman, they'll generally do everything in their power to keep said dman around. I think Gardiner has #1 upside, who knows if he gets there, but I'm pretty high on his future. Same goes for Schultz, and while I think we probably do not land him, I could see us having a shot.

As for Suter, I cannot see why he'd want to play for the Leafs at all, I'd give us close to a 0% chance of signing him, but hey, you never know. Seriously though, Nashville are way better than us, he likes it there, he's American so there's no special lure to playing in Canada, and we literally never land the top free agents, why would he want to sign here and suffer through a struggling, directionless franchise? If he leaves Nashville (and that's a big "if"), I have to think it'll be to go to a team that are BETTER than the Preds, not a team that's way worse.

One last option is to hope Phaneuf develops into a steady #1 dman. He has the offense to be a #1 dman, and he's got size and physicality on his side, but he has a LONG way to go in terms of playing at a high level in his own end. His defensive positioning needs work for sure, and more than that I think he's actually a pretty poor backwards skater. He's quite mobile going forwards, but going backwards guys simply walk around him like he's standing still all the time, I can't count the number of times that Phaneuf is defending in a 1 on 1 situation, and the opposing forward simply skates right around him with no semblance of a move, just blowing by him like he's standing still. If he improves his backwards skating, and generally improves his defensive positioning, he could be a legit #1 dman. Sounds like a long shot, but he is only 26, and it's not that uncommon for dmen to really have it all "click" around their late 20s/early 30s.
This^ ....Suter may sign with Nashville now that they are looking like a real good team.

Drafting one is the only way. There are a few in the Draft.

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a) Draft one
b) Hope Gardiner develops into one
c) Try to sign/trade for an up and coming dman with high end potential (like Schultz)
d) Try to sign a top notch UFA (like Suter)

Drafting one is the surest bet, because once teams get their hands on a #1 dman, they'll generally do everything in their power to keep said dman around. I think Gardiner has #1 upside, who knows if he gets there, but I'm pretty high on his future. Same goes for Schultz, and while I think we probably do not land him, I could see us having a shot.

As for Suter, I cannot see why he'd want to play for the Leafs at all, I'd give us close to a 0% chance of signing him, but hey, you never know. Seriously though, Nashville are way better than us, he likes it there, he's American so there's no special lure to playing in Canada, and we literally never land the top free agents, why would he want to sign here and suffer through a struggling, directionless franchise? If he leaves Nashville (and that's a big "if"), I have to think it'll be to go to a team that are BETTER than the Preds, not a team that's way worse.

One last option is to hope Phaneuf develops into a steady #1 dman. He has the offense to be a #1 dman, and he's got size and physicality on his side, but he has a LONG way to go in terms of playing at a high level in his own end. His defensive positioning needs work for sure, and more than that I think he's actually a pretty poor backwards skater. He's quite mobile going forwards, but going backwards guys simply walk around him like he's standing still all the time, I can't count the number of times that Phaneuf is defending in a 1 on 1 situation, and the opposing forward simply skates right around him with no semblance of a move, just blowing by him like he's standing still. If he improves his backwards skating, and generally improves his defensive positioning, he could be a legit #1 dman. Sounds like a long shot, but he is only 26, and it's not that uncommon for dmen to really have it all "click" around their late 20s/early 30s.
I think he needs to take shorter shifts, he always looks exhausted and that's usually when players beat him.

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hire me as general manager ill get it done and done.

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Somehow package Komi + Kadri+Schenn for B.Seabrook.Sign Schultz!


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Would you trade for Landeskog?

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Draft one of become a contender. No one will sign in this mess.

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