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03-20-2012, 04:40 PM
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With all the effort you're putting towards complaining about the trade, you could be building a time machine to go back and stop it or something...

Nice zinger. But false. I've spent about 5min total on this. Not near enough effort to build a time machine.

Mundus vult decipi.

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He did earn it.
Had he been more stout late in the Montreal series I'd agree and in all likelihood he'd still be on the team.

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Had he been more stout late in the Montreal series I'd agree and in all likelihood he'd still be on the team.
easily forgotten is his play v montreal. he didnt give up a lot of goals, but nearly all of those he did were unscreened and from distance. clean shots he should have had. these goals almost always set the caps behind and created the conditions for montreal to hunker down and try to hold the lead.

varly was awful in game 7 v pittsburgh when the caps really needed the opposite.

varly certainly outdueled lundqvist under pressure and deserves credit for that, but there's more to the story than just his ups.

i really have not concluded anything about any of the three baby goalies except that i think neuvirth is better than many here are convinced he can be and that holtby is needs to grow up and figure out what kind of goalie he wants to be. varly forced and issue that wasnt necessary. i hope he is happy with the outcome.

the caps were going to have to give up one of the three and a 1st and a 2nd is a good return.

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Had he been more stout late in the Montreal series I'd agree and in all likelihood he'd still be on the team.

It seems like it. But there was a clash between Varly and Boudreau that was really deep. For Varly to get no games against Tampa last playoffs was nuts.

I can't prove it but I strongly suspect that Varly being the golden boy #1 pick and given the easy path to the NHL ruffled Boudreau's feathers at the subconscious level. Boudreau as a player, we know, was "stuck" in the AHL year after year and had a grueling career riding the bus. BB was stubborn to a fault (Flash, T-Sloan, Varly, I'm pretty sure Nylander). He thought he could win with Sloan, with Flash, with Neuvy. He couldn't.

There are primadonnas but Varly wasn't like that at all. He was professional and mature as you could want. But anyway, that ship has sailed. If he is to be a top NHL goalie it won't be with the Caps. The search for an elite goalie continues.

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03-20-2012, 09:19 PM
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It seems like it. But there was a clash between Varly and Boudreau that was really deep. For Varly to get no games against Tampa last playoffs was nuts.

I can't prove it but I strongly suspect that Varly being the golden boy #1 pick and given the easy path to the NHL ruffled Boudreau's feathers at the subconscious level. Boudreau as a player, we know, was "stuck" in the AHL year after year and had a grueling career riding the bus. BB was stubborn to a fault (Flash, T-Sloan, Varly, I'm pretty sure Nylander). He thought he could win with Sloan, with Flash, with Neuvy. He couldn't.

There are primadonnas but Varly wasn't like that at all. He was professional and mature as you could want. But anyway, that ship has sailed. If he is to be a top NHL goalie it won't be with the Caps. The search for an elite goalie continues.
Bolded absolutely confuses me....

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Bolded absolutely confuses me....
Yea same here that makes no sense at all being that he said he wanted to be given the starting role without earning it.

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I can't believe some Caps fans are happy about this trade. The club traded a future franchise goalie who has seen it all at his age (regular season, playoff, international) and who succeeded at some degree everywhere.

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I can't believe some Caps fans are happy about this trade. The club traded a future franchise goalie who has seen it all at his age (regular season, playoff, international) and who succeeded at some degree everywhere.
Exactly what has he done up to this point to make you think he is a franchise goalie?

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I can't believe some Caps fans are happy about this trade. The club traded a future franchise goalie who has seen it all at his age (regular season, playoff, international) and who succeeded at some degree everywhere.
You don't get it...Google translate acting up? Seriously, because it's clear he wanted out, so yes, we're happy we got something for a guy who wanted out. That he's very talented just makes it more frustrating that he forced his way out of town.

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Yea same here that makes no sense at all being that he said he wanted to be given the starting role without earning it.


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Exactly what has he done up to this point to make you think he is a franchise goalie?
I said "future franchise goalie", didn't say he's already one.

He led his KHL team to the playoffs final at age of 20, then he came to the NHL and was brilliant in the playoffs playing as a rookie. Then he had his injuries, now he's back to his great form. All indicates that he has the potential to be a franchise goalie.

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I can't believe some Caps fans are happy about this trade. The club traded a future franchise goalie who has seen it all at his age (regular season, playoff, international) and who succeeded at some degree everywhere.
I'm a draftnik so hate drafted prospects leaving but it was the right move 10 times out of 10. Looking at his body of work at the time around when he was trade and his absolutely unreasonable demands at the time (which IMHO did not show very much integrity per say).

Still though I believe it was a win/win trade for both Col and the Caps. Varly was heading back to the KHL and the caps get a 1st round pick and a 2nd.

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You ever date a girl who was just perfect, but the timing was off?

That's Varly. It's ok. Sometimes it happens.

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03-20-2012, 10:21 PM
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I said "future franchise goalie", didn't say he's already one.

He led his KHL team to the playoffs final at age of 20, then he came to the NHL and was brilliant in the playoffs playing as a rookie. Then he had his injuries, now he's back to his great form. All indicates that he has the potential to be a franchise goalie.

Assuming you haven't already, why don't you start a business with that talent of yours... your knowing the future thing you've got going...

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Assuming you haven't already, why don't you start a business with that talent of yours... your knowing the future thing you've got going...

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easily forgotten is his play v montreal. he didnt give up a lot of goals, but nearly all of those he did were unscreened and from distance. clean shots he should have had. these goals almost always set the caps behind and created the conditions for montreal to hunker down and try to hold the lead.

varly was awful in game 7 v pittsburgh when the caps really needed the opposite.

varly certainly outdueled lundqvist under pressure and deserves credit for that, but there's more to the story than just his ups.

i really have not concluded anything about any of the three baby goalies except that i think neuvirth is better than many here are convinced he can be and that holtby is needs to grow up and figure out what kind of goalie he wants to be. varly forced and issue that wasnt necessary. i hope he is happy with the outcome.

the caps were going to have to give up one of the three and a 1st and a 2nd is a good return.
He's clearly slitting his wrists making 2x what he would be here while playing for a playoff bound team that was his childhood favorite and a coach who doesn't treat him like trash. His recent play certainly reflects that.

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He's clearly slitting his wrists making 2x what he would be here while playing for a playoff bound team that was his childhood favorite and a coach who doesn't treat him like trash. His recent play certainly reflects that.
Wow, bitter...

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Wow, bitter...
Naw I'm thrilled that Boudreau forced out our future franchise goaltender so Neuvy would have more room to crap himself.

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Naw I'm thrilled that Boudreau forced out our future franchise goaltender so Neuvy would have more room to crap himself.
How does Boudreau force him out by telling him he needs to earn his starting role? He forced himself out the day he decided that he deserved to be the starter regardless of his performance on the ice.

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I think Varly decided Washington wasn't for him sometime during that Tampa series last year. While Neu played well last year, I believe Varly (albeit between injuries) and Holtby both did as well.

Do the caps have a disproportionately high number of unhappy, exonerated, outcast, et. al. players, compared to other teams?

Yonkman Eminger Nylander Sjogren types?

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Naw I'm thrilled that Boudreau forced out our future franchise goaltender so Neuvy would have more room to crap himself.
I will be very surprised if Varlamov is ever a franchise goaltender.

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Naw I'm thrilled that Boudreau forced out our future franchise goaltender so Neuvy would have more room to crap himself.
I must have missed the details surrounding how BB forced out Varly. Can you fill me in?

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I said "future franchise goalie", didn't say he's already one.

He led his KHL team to the playoffs final at age of 20, then he came to the NHL and was brilliant in the playoffs playing as a rookie. Then he had his injuries, now he's back to his great form. All indicates that he has the potential to be a franchise goalie.
i think a case can be made that neuvirth's post season experience has been at least as successful as varly's.

he has the potential to be a franchise goalie, but so do both neuvirth and holtby.

varly didnt want to play for the capitals. had the caps not traded varly, where do you think he would be now?

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i think a case can be made that neuvirth's post season experience has been at least as successful as varly's.

he has the potential to be a franchise goalie, but so do both neuvirth and holtby.

varly didnt want to play for the capitals. had the caps not traded varly, where do you think he would be now?
As harsh as this might sound he could easily be dead considering the Lokomotiv tragedy.

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Not sure why this is issue when the trade was announced most on here were expecting a high second round pick or something in that ball park.

Varly had and still has a ton of faults and his time to go came.

I love how he stays healthy for 70 games or so and everyone acts like his injury problems are behind him.

He's had major groin issues every year since he was 14, seriously think of that that's almost impossible. If you think those problems are gone you're very ignorant

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