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03-21-2012, 04:31 PM
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2008 draft , what could have been

Both LA and Tampa finshed with 71 points but Tampa was awarded the #1 seed
based on 31 wins to LA's 32 BUT there was no ROW/SO divide which would
have been TB 29 ( 2 SO wins ) to LA's 27 ( 5 SO wins )

TB's lottery chance was 48% LA's was only 18%

but under the new rules LA would have the 48% to TB's 18% and

Stamkos would be putting up his 15-20 goals under TM

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Both LA and Tampa finshed with 71 points but Tampa was awarded the #1 seed
based on 31 wins to LA's 32 BUT there was no ROW/SO divide which would
have been TB 29 ( 2 SO wins ) to LA's 27 ( 5 SO wins )

TB's lottery chance was 48% LA's was only 18%

but under the new rules LA would have the 48% to TB's 18% and

Stamkos would be putting up his 15-20 goals under TM
well he would score 9 goals in his rockie season under Murray,
flamed by the management... send down to manchester and traded + a 3rd for Jeff Halpern

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Rather have Doughty. I hate Stamkos. I'm more upset we wasted another 1st on Teubert. Hindsight is always 20/20 with past drafts but I distinctly remember on draft day calling for Myers to be picked.

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I remember being so mad that we won that last game of the season; it was so unnecessary and lost us the 1st overall pick.

But I think it worked out just fine in the end.

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03-21-2012, 04:57 PM
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it was disappointing, but the truth is that Doughty still has plenty of time to turn into the superstar defensemen we all know he can be.

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Doughty is still a fantastic talent. I would rather have Stamkos, but Doughty has the skill to be a multiple Norris trophy winner. And has already proven himself at the highest level possible.

Like cns said, you want to talk about hindsight in the 2008 draft. Imagine this team with Karlsson, Myers, Gardiner, Del Zotto or Sbisa on D or Eberle who could have been that long sought after elite winger for Kopitar. Even a guy like Colborne who could step in as the Kings #3 center next season. All taken within 10 picks of the Kings baffling pick of Colten Teubert.

I will say though, they hit a homerun with VV in the 2nd round. Wonderful pick there, and awesome that they were able to get him to come over right away and keep him away from the KHL.

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03-21-2012, 05:07 PM
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Lets not forget Lokti out of the 5th ****ing round. Such a great draft, even with an awful 1st round pick in Teubert

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Doughty is still a fantastic talent. I would rather have Stamkos, but Doughty has the skill to be a multiple Norris trophy winner. And has already proven himself at the highest level possible.

Like cns said, you want to talk about hindsight in the 2008 draft. Imagine this team with Karlsson, Myers, Gardiner, Del Zotto or Sbisa on D or Eberle who could have been that long sought after elite winger for Kopitar. Even a guy like Colborne who could step in as the Kings #3 center next season. All taken within 10 picks of the Kings baffling pick of Colten Teubert.

I will say though, they hit a homerun with VV in the 2nd round. Wonderful pick there, and awesome that they were able to get him to come over right away and keep him away from the KHL.
But....then.....we wouldn't have Penner scoring big goals two games in a row down the stretch run!!!!!!!!!

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Rather have Doughty. I hate Stamkos. I'm more upset we wasted another 1st on Teubert. Hindsight is always 20/20 with past drafts but I distinctly remember on draft day calling for Myers to be picked.
Samething here when we passed on Alzner in 04 I think?
I was so pissed I had to go for a walk.

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03-21-2012, 05:23 PM
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Samething here when we passed on Alzner in 04 I think?
I was so pissed I had to go for a walk.
Alzner was 07 drafted right after Hickey. You probably got the draft number 4th overall.

Anyways I think Dean would of either traded down to 2nd overall or taken Doughty 1st overall

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Still don't know Doughty's ceiling, I am fine with how it went down.

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It looks bad now but Teubert wasnt much of a reach at 12/13

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03-21-2012, 06:05 PM
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It looks bad now but Teubert wasnt much of a reach at 12/13
Based on the rankings you may be right, but I think had the Kings not taken him he might have tumbled. A lot of teams are hesitant to draft such limited players in the first round.

I am no scout, but I saw this kid play in the ECHL the year after he was drafted and he was just pitiful, especially for a first round pick. I wondered why the Kings sent him to the ECHL (almost unheard of with first round picks) but after watching him play it was apparent he was nowhere close to being even an AHL caliber player.

I was happy to see him moved while he still had a little bit of value, although I think the big thing EDM was getting back in that deal was the first rounder.

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Lombardi probably still would have drafted Doughty.

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03-21-2012, 06:36 PM
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Alzner was 07 drafted right after Hickey. You probably got the draft number 4th overall.

Anyways I think Dean would of either traded down to 2nd overall or taken Doughty 1st overall
I still think if Hickey starts getting NHL time next season he will eventually be better then Alzner.

He has a LOT better of a skill set.

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03-21-2012, 06:58 PM
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I would rather have Stamkos. Already gets it at such a young age as indicated by his working with Gary Roberts in the off season. Doughty should take note.

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03-21-2012, 07:16 PM
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Lombardi probably still would have drafted Doughty.
I recall him saying so on numerous occasions.

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Based on the rankings you may be right, but I think had the Kings not taken him he might have tumbled. A lot of teams are hesitant to draft such limited players in the first round.
I distinctly recall Bob McKenzie alluding to Carolina being prepared to take Teubert at #14 (they took Zach Boychuk instead). Wasn't super thrilled with the Teubert pick at the time, but thought he fit in a specific spot with Doughty/Johnson/Hickey on board. With previous drafts, stay at home D tend to be the guys that get overslotted in hindsight.

Teubert was more or less ranked around that area all year. He helped lead Canada to Gold at the U-18s and led the club with a +8. It's not unusual for a player's stock to rise as the tourney is the last on ice impression that some players get to make. From the U-18, Jake Allen vaulted himself from a relative unknown to a high 2nd rounder.

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I like to speculate if we had Lombardi and the new post-Al Murray scouting staff, how we would have drafted at the 2003 draft.

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03-21-2012, 11:02 PM
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I like to speculate if we had Lombardi and the new post-Al Murray scouting staff, how we would have drafted at the 2003 draft.

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Probably would've taken Brent Burns or Seabrook 13th.

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I like to speculate if we had Lombardi and the new post-Al Murray scouting staff, how we would have drafted at the 2003 draft.

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Dean has never taken a winger in the first round, even in years where he had multiple first rounders, so it's safe to say Brown would not have been drafted. And Perry and Eriksson would not have been given a serious look with either of the two later picks because they would not be valued properly.

Just guessing..

#12- Seabrook

Then with the two later picks, probably another d-man like Danny Richmond, Shawn Belle or Kevin Klein and then one of POS or Danny Fristche who both were centers projected as first round picks. Lombardi is not exactly a wizard when it comes to first round picks, but I am pretty confident in saying the Kings would have drafted one of Bergeron, Weber or Carle with that second round pick instead of Pushkarev who was anything but a Lombardi style player.

The massive miss at the 2003 draft set this franchise back a good 5-7 years and cost Taylor his job.

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Yeah, DT spent a lot of time positioning the team for the 2003 draft knowing it was deep, and then they screwed the pooch.

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Ahh yes the 20/20 hindsight of drafts. 2006 still makes my blood boil.

But at least Trevor Lewis is turning into something....

Joey Ryan......Nope

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Actually I thought we did rather well in 2003! Carter at 11, Brown at 13, and Richards at 24!

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Yeah, DT spent a lot of time positioning the team for the 2003 draft knowing it was deep, and then they screwed the pooch.
Yup.

DT had a good idea and plan for the 2003 draft, but didn't execute in drafting the right players. It ends up being his downfall.

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