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03-21-2012, 11:16 PM
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I would make calls about Clowe if I was PG (or whoever is running the show), it seems like he's near his end of the line in SJ and if they miss the playoffs he could easily end up on the block.
that's a good idea, he's also had a bit of an off year so maybe they'd be more open to trading him.

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Tinordi has FIGHTING issues. Don't mix up the two.
When he'll face Lucic that will become quite an issue. Furthermore people wanted him to go to the CHL because he lacked a mean streak.

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He doesn't lack toughness. He just doesn't fight very well. He doesn't have to fight all the time either. A guy like Vandermeer or whatever.. is the type of D that would have to fight all the time just to stay in the league.

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Are Staubitz and Blunden here to stay?

White is a natural and I see Montreal holding on to this kid for years to come, however, since we have seen an increased number of fights involving Montreal players and added team toughness, do you think that Staubitz and Bluden are here to stay beyong this horrible season?

I hope they are...

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
Moen - Eller - Leblanc
Geoffrion - White - Staubitz
Blunden

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Kaberle - Weber
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I don't have a problem with Blunden/Staubitz being the 13th/14th forwards, neither should be in the lineup every game though.

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I think it's one or the other tbh.

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03-22-2012, 12:40 PM
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I don't have a problem with Blunden/Staubitz being the 13th/14th forwards, neither should be in the lineup every game though.
Blunden is plenty good enough to be a physical 4th liner, he's big and skates pretty well, uses his body and not afraid to drive the net.

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White is a natural and I see Montreal holding on to this kid for years to come, however, since we have seen an increased number of fights involving Montreal players and added team toughness, do you think that Staubitz and Bluden are here to stay beyong this horrible season?
Hopefully the roster improves enough that they'd both get bumped off the depth chart. They're terrible players.

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Hopefully the roster improves enough that they'd both get bumped off the depth chart. They're terrible players.
They are good if in the proper role. I don't see the point of having guys like LeBlanc and Palushaj on the 4th line.

I think having the following wingers...3rd-Bourque/Moen 4th-Staubitz/White/Blunden plus Conboy and Schultz in the AHL would be ideal in terms of having guys that can play physical and drop the gloves while still playing other roles.

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Hopefully the roster improves enough that they'd both get bumped off the depth chart. They're terrible players.
They aren't terrible, they serve a purpose, but that purpose is depth and being a roleplayer. We have more pressing needs in bottom 6 though. For instance, I'd rather either a physical somewhat talented bottom 6 center like Gaustad or a shutdown center like Pahlsson over noke. That's a more pressing concern for me.

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I'd rather an upgrade on both. Sign Prust instead of Staubitz, that way you get someone who can actually play hockey. I like Blunden's hustle, but he doesn't bring all that much.

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I'd rather an upgrade on both. Sign Prust instead of Staubitz, that way you get someone who can actually play hockey. I like Blunden's hustle, but he doesn't bring all that much.
Replacing Staubitz with Prust makes little sense.

Prust is like Moen if you send him against NHL heavyweights he won't last the year. Prust is like Moen, he is a solid 2 way player whi is a pretty good fighter...not an enforcer. Plus we have bigger needs than spending a fortune on 3rd and 4th liners, we are fine with what we have if we can get Moen back for 1.6-1.7/year.

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I'd rather an upgrade on both. Sign Prust instead of Staubitz, that way you get someone who can actually play hockey. I like Blunden's hustle, but he doesn't bring all that much.
I think you focus on building a strong team first and the 13-14th guys fill roles you haven't added in the regular top 12. For instance, if the habs were composed of physical gritty forwards in top 6 who also fight often and well, I would see no point in having a 13th forward who fights. I'd rather a guy like darche at that point, a utility player.

In this case, say the habs get Gaustad, keep moen and white, then the need for an enforcer isn't as great, but a guy like blunden as 13th forward is still okay because he has the hustle and serves another purpose besides fighting.

If we get Prust and the other combo I showed above, blunden is irrelevant and I'd much rather add a PP specialist or darche than an enforcer.

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03-22-2012, 01:02 PM
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Replacing Staubitz with Prust makes little sense.

Prust is like Moen if you send him against NHL heavyweights he won't last the year. Prust is like Moen, he is a solid 2 way player whi is a pretty good fighter...not an enforcer.
because true enforcers are so relevant the NHL these days? Staubitz isn't exactly a super heavyweight either.

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03-22-2012, 01:08 PM
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because true enforcers are so relevant the NHL these days? Staubitz isn't exactly a super heavyweight either.
Why did the Rangers sign Boogard and Rupp, the Flyers Shelly, the Bruins Thornton, Anaheim Parros etc Most top teams have one.

He isn't a super heavyweight but he can go with anybody and can still paly a regular shift unlike Laraque his last year here.

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Why did the Rangers sign Boogard and Rupp, the Flyers Shelly, the Bruins Thornton, Anaheim Parros etc Most top teams have one.

He isn't a super heavyweight but he can go with anybody and can still paly a regular shift unlike Laraque his last year here.
I have nothing against staubitz, but he can't handle chara, scott or whoever. Let's not kid ourselves. Besides, these big time heavyweights are pointless. I'm all for the whites, moens, etc of the hockey world, but Chicago traded Scott while on a playoff position run...for a 5th rounder. The guy plays, on average 6:30-7 min a game. These guys CAN be effective, but it's really not a big deal. A lot of times they're scratched and don't even play. If they were so damn effective, they would play 82GP.

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I like Staubitz...i think he fits in nicely as our 12th/13th forward. I expect him to be re-signed.

I still don't see Blunden as a legit NHLer. There's not alot out there on the UFA market in the way of top line talent, so the Habs should have plenty of cap space to beef up their depth this offseason.

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I have nothing against staubitz, but he can't handle chara, scott or whoever. Let's not kid ourselves. Besides, these big time heavyweights are pointless. I'm all for the whites, moens, etc of the hockey world, but Chicago traded Scott while on a playoff position run...for a 5th rounder. The guy plays, on average 6:30-7 min a game. These guys CAN be effective, but it's really not a big deal. A lot of times they're scratched and don't even play. If they were so damn effective, they would play 82GP.
I was big on the Scott bandwagon, but the reality is nobody wants to fight him so he's rendered super innefective.

On top of that he's too slow and too awkward to go out and initiate much and force the oppositions hand. The Bruins wanted no part of him the other week and i suspect nothing would change if we signed him this offseason.

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I still think we need another guy. White is a good lightweight, Staubitz is a good middleweight, Moen too, but we don't have anybody that can hang with the heavies.
We don't really need to since pure heavy enforcers are an endangered species. If a guy like Brian Burke waive a guy like Colton Orr you know that the era of enforcers who can fight but can't play hockey is close to an end. Sure there are still a few left like John Scott ect but those guys may not be in the league for much longer. Then you have guys like Scott Thornton , Lucic ect but those guys can also play hockey. The Chris Neil , Brandon Prust ect are what enforcers will look like in the future.

As for the Habs , White - Moen - Staubitz is a decent trio. I'd add Paul Gaustad to the group this summer and we'd be set as far as team toughness in the bottom 6 is concerned. If we want a true heavy we could sign one to a two way contract and recall him if things are expected to get out of hand against X team.

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I have nothing against staubitz, but he can't handle chara, scott or whoever. Let's not kid ourselves. Besides, these big time heavyweights are pointless. I'm all for the whites, moens, etc of the hockey world, but Chicago traded Scott while on a playoff position run...for a 5th rounder. The guy plays, on average 6:30-7 min a game. These guys CAN be effective, but it's really not a big deal. A lot of times they're scratched and don't even play. If they were so damn effective, they would play 82GP.
Staubitz can play a regular shift, Scott can't, he is brutal on defense, and up front he is a d-man playing wing.

Why would we get somebody to fight Chara he fights twice a year and usually it's against non fighters(Gill Lecavalier Spetza Harrison).

The point of having a guy like Staubitz is so guys like White and Moen don't have to be concerned that a guy like Scott will come after them if they defend their tammates.

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We don't really need to since pure heavy enforcers are an endangered species. If a guy like Brian Burke waive a guy like Colton Orr you know that the era of enforcers who can fight but can't play hockey is close to an end. Sure there are still a few left like John Scott ect but those guys may not be in the league for much longer. Then you have guys like Scott Thornton , Lucic ect but those guys can also play hockey. The Chris Neil , Brandon Prust ect are what enforcers will look like in the future.

As for the Habs , White - Moen - Staubitz is a decent trio. I'd add Paul Gaustad to the group this summer and we'd be set as far as team toughness in the bottom 6 is concerned. If we want a true heavy we could sign one to a two way contract and recall him if things are expected to get out of hand against X team.
Burke waived Orr because Rosehill is a better player, he can at least keep up with the play.

Gaustad isn't a guy that will add toughness, he fights like he is 5'9" 170lbs. what did he do when Lucic ran over Miller...SFA.

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Replacing Staubitz with Prust makes little sense.

Prust is like Moen if you send him against NHL heavyweights he won't last the year. Prust is like Moen, he is a solid 2 way player whi is a pretty good fighter...not an enforcer. Plus we have bigger needs than spending a fortune on 3rd and 4th liners, we are fine with what we have if we can get Moen back for 1.6-1.7/year.
Prust is a better fighter than Staubitz. As for heavies, Staubitz isn't one either. Not that it matters, they're going the way of the dodo.

And you've said a few times in this thread that Staubitz can take a 'regular shift', is that why he's been playing 5 minutes or less every game? He's not a good hockey player. Granted, he's better than some of the heavies, but when put into his proper category of 'middle weight enforcer', because that's what he is, his utility or lack thereof becomes pretty obvious.

Given a choice between Prust and Staubitz, understanding you have a limited amount of spots in your forward roster, you take Staubitz?

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Staubitz can play a regular shift, Scott can't, he is brutal on defense, and up front he is a d-man playing wing.

Why would we get somebody to fight Chara he fights twice a year and usually it's against non fighters(Gill Lecavalier Spetza Harrison).

The point of having a guy like Staubitz is so guys like White and Moen don't have to be concerned that a guy like Scott will come after them if they defend their tammates.
That wasn't my point, Staubitz isn't a super heavyweight. You mentioned Staubitz fighting the big guys over white. Sure, if I had to choose I'd rather Brad takes the punches than white, but staubitz wouldn't fair dramatically better.

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Anyone think that Moen will sign with the Habs? I think he'll test the UFA market.

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Anyone think that Moen will sign with the Habs? I think he'll test the UFA market.
Hope he doesn't leave. Good player to have.

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