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03-22-2012, 11:32 PM
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why not he has outplayed neuvirth

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03-22-2012, 11:35 PM
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Brouwer didn't do a poor job on Bryz, if he had gotten the puck off with a few feet between him and the goaltender he might have been able to sneak it over the pad.

Holtby is afraid to make the first move in the shootout, so if you simply wrist it at him you've got a solid chance.

Lacking Semin and Orlov really slims down the shootout options.
Hard to blame Holtby on that score since the only goal he gave up in reg was when he made the first move.

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03-22-2012, 11:37 PM
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The team knows they have to get up tomorrow. If they don't, they'd have gotten swept in the playoffs anyway. It's the best 5 game stretch of Ovechkin in nearly 2 seasons.

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03-22-2012, 11:42 PM
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Lacking Semin and Orlov really slims down the shootout options.
Orlov??? We tried him once in a shootout, and it was a slow-motion disaster. Not that he'll never turn into an SO threat, but his absence had no effect whatever on our SO chances. There are 6 guys I would send before Orlov, incl. Green Laich, Knuble, Perrault, Wideman and Carlson.

There are various games during the year which stick out for me as leaving points on the table, incl. blowing the 2-goal lead w/ 3 min left v. Jets. Tonite wasn't quite that bad, but the combination of missing all those great 2nd-period chances, and MJ missing the penalty shot, and Coiner having the Win on his stick in SO ... it definitely feels like we missed a great chance to grab the 2nd point.

WPG will be tough opponent tomorrow. We haven't done great against them this year, and Kane & Wheeler have given us fits. Jesus Christ, I would like to jump out to a 2-goal lead.

What the hell is the Semin injury anyway? Do we think he'll play tomorrow?

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03-23-2012, 12:04 AM
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It's the best 5 game stretch of Ovechkin in nearly 2 seasons.
Post-Christmas he had 6 goals and 3 assists, and was even or better in the +/- every game.

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03-23-2012, 12:11 AM
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Post-Christmas he had 6 goals and 3 assists, and was even or better in the +/- every game.
I wasn't speaking statistically.

Edit: 14 months since his last hatty. Yikes.

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03-23-2012, 12:21 AM
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Why not? He had a good game to be honest and unless Vokun is feeling better I don't see why you don't keep trying to ride him some.
Because it's a back to back.

I can see him in against Minnesota though.

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03-23-2012, 12:50 AM
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Orlov??? We tried him once in a shootout, and it was a slow-motion disaster. Not that he'll never turn into an SO threat, but his absence had no effect whatever on our SO chances. There are 6 guys I would send before Orlov, incl. Green Laich, Knuble, Perrault, Wideman and Carlson.
You're kidding yourself if you don't think Orlov would be one of our first five shooters. Just because his first SO attempt failed doesn't mean that Hunter wouldn't go to him again or that he doesn't have better shootout skills than most of our team. Orlov's puck handling and deking ability is decidedly better than Wideman or Carlson's. While I'd put out Knuble and maybe Green before Orlov, I'd definitely cue up the rookie before I sent out Laich, Perreault, Carlson, or Wideman.

I don't for a second think that Hunter would have sent out Aucoin if he had Orlov on the bench.

Hell, if you want to talk disastrous shootout attempts...

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03-23-2012, 02:55 AM
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ouch. i never saw that Wideman SO disaster before. tnx 4 link. looks like he was aiming for a Hendricks-like move.

the other one who used to be a mainstay in our SO lineup was #19.

i hope we are doing extra SO practice nowadays. chances are good for another one soon, now that teams are playing for the loser point even more than usual.

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03-23-2012, 03:08 AM
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Sigh... What a game.
  • Ward should join the X-Men... I don't think Storm can even stay invisible for that long.
  • Wides got beat worse than Rihanna on the Giroux goal. Ugly stuff.
  • Ovi was decent.
  • We need Backstrom back.
  • Good on ya Holtby!
  • Actually pretty impressed with Green's play tonight.

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03-23-2012, 06:47 AM
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How long before the league figures out Hendy's move?
He also has a can opener move (that Brooks uses a bit), so I don't know.

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03-23-2012, 06:56 AM
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Sigh... What a game.
  • Ward should join the X-Men... I don't think Storm can even stay invisible for that long.
  • Wides got beat worse than Rihanna on the Giroux goal. Ugly stuff.
  • Ovi was decent.
  • We need Backstrom back.
  • Good on ya Holtby!
  • Actually pretty impressed with Green's play tonight.

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03-23-2012, 07:53 AM
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Sigh... What a game.
  • Ward should join the X-Men... I don't think Storm can even stay invisible for that long.
  • Wides got beat worse than Rihanna on the Giroux goal. Ugly stuff.
  • Ovi was decent.
  • We need Backstrom back.
  • Good on ya Holtby!
  • Actually pretty impressed with Green's play tonight.


the guy just cant keep the puck in at the opponents blue line to save his life. Every time i see somebody fumble the puck on the right side i dont even have to see the number anymore, its always 6...

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03-23-2012, 09:22 AM
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I will forever wonder why guys can't learn new shootout moves. How hard is it to refrain from no moves at all ---> big slapper, to kicking your leg out, shaking the shoulders, going forehand to backhand; shooting from both. I would be thrilled to see a RH shot learn from Hendricks his move.

Bah I give up wondering about it.

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03-23-2012, 09:37 AM
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Have you noticed with Wides he tries to keep it in with his blade, and the first time it hops his twig, he says F it and tries to keep all the pucks in with his skates from then on. He loses confidence in his game, and becomes a train wreck.

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03-23-2012, 09:46 AM
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Hate to say it but man could we have used Viktor Kozlov this year.

We may need to consider bringing a shootout specialist aboard to go along with Hendricks.

We absolutely get killed in the shootout while teams like the Devils wrack up phantom points that way.


Good effort last nite. Deserved a much better fate.

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03-23-2012, 10:10 AM
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We had our chances and we managed a point. I sure hope Wideman does not get resigned. I am very happy with Holtby.
So Wideman's mistake is inexcusable and Holtby's, on the exact same play mind you, is no big deal?

IMO players lose their edge when quickly trying to make that pivot all the time, so while the timing was poor it happens.

On the other hand being over aggressive and way over committing going for that poke check on a player like Giroux is moronic.

Holtby had a good game stopping the puck, until the gimmick anyway. The rest of his game is an adventure though to say the least.

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03-23-2012, 10:20 AM
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Hate to say it but man could we have used Viktor Kozlov this year.

We may need to consider bringing a shootout specialist aboard to go along with Hendricks.

We absolutely get killed in the shootout while teams like the Devils wrack up phantom points that way.
I agree.

Some coaches like the roll 4 lines approach and others like 3 lines and then 3 guys who fill specific roles, say tough guy, faceoff specialist, and PK specialist.

Pretty much all the top scoring forwards in the league play 21+ minutes a game while Ovechkin and Backstrom play around 19.

I think you could easily make the argument that going with 3 regular lines, a tough guy, a PK/faceoff specialist, and a SO specialist, and getting the likes of Ovechkin and Backstrom more ice time is the way to go.

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03-23-2012, 10:36 AM
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I agree.

Some coaches like the roll 4 lines approach and others like 3 lines and then 3 guys who fill specific roles, say tough guy, faceoff specialist, and PK specialist.

Pretty much all the top scoring forwards in the league play 21+ minutes a game while Ovechkin and Backstrom play around 19.

I think you could easily make the argument that going with 3 regular lines, a tough guy, a PK/faceoff specialist, and a SO specialist, and getting the likes of Ovechkin and Backstrom more ice time is the way to go.
Given the makeup of our forwards, this is such a ****ing no brainer that it's ridiculous we don't do it.

With Backstrom in the lineup we can expect 23 million in cap space to play less than 20 minutes of Hunter hockey.

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03-23-2012, 11:07 AM
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i have to say ovechkin ranking 40th in average toi is funny. ov averages 19:36 per game. at 19:30 is alex steen. i mean....*** alex steen?

but hey, the word is accountability.

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i have to say ovechkin ranking 40th in average toi is funny.
But not funny haha...

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i have to say ovechkin ranking 40th in average toi is funny. ov averages 19:36 per game. at 19:30 is alex steen. i mean....*** alex steen?

but hey, the word is accountability.
Looking at it like that. If he scored 40 goals it would be a miracle.

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Nik woulda make a big dent in a game like this...

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i'd bet that caps toi since hunter would show laich and brouwer playing the same minutes as ovechkin.

used to be a lot of complaining that boudreau did not match lines to shut down opposing primary offensive lines. iirc boudreau said that he didnt believe in that because he didnt want the opposing coach setting the agenda for his best players.

when you faithfully match lines, the opposition forces you to use your checking matchup players instead of your own high end players just by putting his best players on the ice and giving you the matchup.

i go back to that caps v pens game early on in hunter's tenure. the caps are down a goal late in the 3rd period. crosby's lines ices the puck and the caps get an offensive zone face off against a tired line. most coaches go for the gold and put their gunners on the ice for an offensive zone draw against a non offensive group. hunter left laich and the shutdown line on the ice and the opportunity was just given away.

looking at a long view of this, the caps play their 1st line players, second line minutes and their 3rd line players 2nd line minutes. when you add to that a system that does not create powerplay opportunities by its nature its clear to me that the capitals are not using their best players to the best ability.

on a related subject, if hunter is staying, i think mcphee should trade green. there is no point paying the kind of money green is going to get to play a basic defensive game. if they are not going to use him, trade him.

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I agree.

Some coaches like the roll 4 lines approach and others like 3 lines and then 3 guys who fill specific roles, say tough guy, faceoff specialist, and PK specialist.

Pretty much all the top scoring forwards in the league play 21+ minutes a game while Ovechkin and Backstrom play around 19.

I think you could easily make the argument that going with 3 regular lines, a tough guy, a PK/faceoff specialist, and a SO specialist, and getting the likes of Ovechkin and Backstrom more ice time is the way to go.
Totally with you here. With the top heavy makeup of our team I'd prefer we did this. Then we'd have a heavy and a SO specialist as well as giving the top guys massive ice time.

I hope the people who wanted BB out are happy sometimes you don't appreciate what you have. And this is coming from someone who loves Dale Hunter and idolized him!

Its not that rolling 4 lines is a bad strategy or doesn't work. I just prefer what you outlined.

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