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03-23-2012, 02:50 PM
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It's one of the factors, not the entirety of them. That alone doesn't warrant a suspension, IMO.
I dont really care if Tanguay gets suspended or not, but this hit has 3 or 4 pretty big factors that Shanahan likes to use.

1. Elbowing is illegal
2. hit to the head
3. caused an injury
4. oposing player did/didnt do anything to cause the play.

Using the Bouchard and Peters suspensions as examples, Tanguay's hit isnt any better or worse than either of theirs

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03-23-2012, 02:53 PM
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I don't know if they can call up Cuma since Foster's still "healthy". and they used up all their non-emergency callups.
Is it still too close to his recent callup? Because if the Wild IR Spurgeon won't that open a roster spot?

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03-23-2012, 02:55 PM
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Did they actually technical call him up though? I wonder.

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I'd be interested in seeing Cuma.

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I would too. Or Fredheim

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03-23-2012, 03:53 PM
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From the blog Youngblood wrote

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With Scandella expected to play, and with Kurtis Foster available, the Wild won't make a call-up. They only way the team would is if Scandella should be deemed unable to play tomorrow morning. In that case the Wild could make an emergency call-up.
Pretty sure we used up our non-emergency call ups, so we need another Dman to be unable to play for Cuma to come up.

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03-23-2012, 04:17 PM
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maybe call up genoway

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03-23-2012, 05:09 PM
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Pretty sure we used up our non-emergency call ups, so we need another Dman to be unable to play for Cuma to come up.
They must really want Cuma to be down in Houston for those games, otherwise they'd just have Foster's back injury "flare up again."

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03-23-2012, 05:22 PM
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03-23-2012, 05:23 PM
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maybe call up genoway
well if we want someone who will shoot from the back end you can't go wrong with Genoway.

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I would say, if and when we call up a defenseman, it will be a lefty like Cuma unless we have no choice.

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Cuma is always set up to fail it seems. If he gets called up let him play for the rest of the year...even then it's not exactly an ideal environment in which to show off what you can bring to the team, but his window is getting more and more narrow, and will only get worse as we add new defensemen to the pool.

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03-23-2012, 05:47 PM
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Well, the season is getting sadder... yet.

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03-23-2012, 06:13 PM
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I would too. Or Fredheim
I liked Fredheim last time he was called up.

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03-23-2012, 06:16 PM
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Cuma is always set up to fail it seems. If he gets called up let him play for the rest of the year...even then it's not exactly an ideal environment in which to show off what you can bring to the team, but his window is getting more and more narrow, and will only get worse as we add new defensemen to the pool.
If he gets called up at this point it would be an emergency callup and he would have to go back the very instant the player he is replacing comes back from injury.

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03-23-2012, 06:43 PM
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I fully expect CL/CF to raise hell at the next leaguewide meeting. This is getting assinine

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03-24-2012, 11:46 AM
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Can someone explain why we're not allowed to call anyone up if we put Spurgeon on IR?

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03-24-2012, 11:55 AM
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Can someone explain why we're not allowed to call anyone up if we put Spurgeon on IR?
Because we used our non-emergency call ups, and even with Spurgeon on IR we have enough D to play. If Foster or Scandy were unable to play then we could call someone up. At least that's how I understand it.

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03-24-2012, 11:56 AM
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Can someone explain why we're not allowed to call anyone up if we put Spurgeon on IR?
Because we have another defenseman "healthy" and ready to go.

Apparently we need to be short at some position before we can do emergency callups.

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03-24-2012, 03:06 PM
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Posting Fel's YouTube for reference:


Rule 45: Elbowing
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"Elbowing shall mean the use of an extended elbow in a manner that may or may not cause injury."
Elbowing suspensions have been pretty common recently, so I decided to compare them to Tanguay's hit on Spurgeon.

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Duncan Keith's elbow on Daniel Sedin:
  • Elbowing penalty was called
  • Keith has no previous suspensions
  • Sedin was injured on the play
  • Elbow was not intentional

Outcome: 5 game suspension.

Differences
: Penalty was made in the neutral zone, not along the boards.

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Shane Doan elbow on Jamie Benn:
  • Elbowing penalty was called
  • Doan is a repeat offender, and was fined 5 days before this suspension!
  • Benn was not injured
  • Elbow was not intentional

Outcome: 3 game suspension.
Differences: Elbowing penalty wasn't made along the boards.

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Tanguay's elbow on Spurgeon:
  • Elbowing penalty was called
  • Not sure if Tanguay's a repeat offender
  • Spurgeon was injured
  • Elbow was not intentional

Outcome: None.
Differences: Short, no-name player; along the boards.

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Was the Spurgeon's head the principle point of contact? Yes.
Was Spurgeon injured on the play? Yes.
Was the hit intentional? No.
Was the hit avoidable from Spurgeon's standpoint? No.

The only difference I can find is that Spurgeon was hit along the boards. I guess you can only get suspended for elbowing when the player isn't along the boards?

I can't tell why Keith and Doan's hits are warranting suspension while Tanguay doesn't even get fined. What's the difference? Shanahan's logic baffles me. Doan (repeat offender & recently fined) and Keith (non-repeat offender) commit the exact same penalty, but the deciding factor is whether the player was injured or not? Personally, I believe these suspensions should be handed out for the purpose of preventing future injuries, not punishing whether or not a player was injured. Punishment will just leave players looking for sneakier ways to commit penalties. Prevention will let the players know that dangerous penalties will be punished, even if the receiving player isn't injured.

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03-24-2012, 03:13 PM
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I've stopped trying to analyze Shannahan's logic. He just hates Minnesota for some reason. Did someone from Minnesota run over his dog or something? I don't know. I just know I don't respect him at all and have not since he suspended Bouchard for that Jacket hitting himself with his own stick in game one this year.

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