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03-23-2012, 10:04 AM
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Why? Why trade Staal? Sure it took him a while to get back into form and hes not quite 100% yet, although hes really getting there and considering the progress Staal has made with regards to getting back to his formerself, is Ryan Suter really worth an extra 3 million dollars over a healthy Marc Staal? I don't think so.

Suter is a superior defenseman, but not 2.5-3 million superior.

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The NHLPA have shown no willingness to start CBA talks. Fehr is a last minute guy. In 2002,he struck a deal with Selig at the deadline to avoid another work stoppage. The only newsworthy item to come out of the NHL GMs meetings last week was the GMs told Pierre LeBrun off the record they didn't think the NHL would allow teams to buyout a contract(s)and not have it count against the cap. Bettman made some comments yesterday about waiting for the PA to contact him about starting negotiations.

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03-23-2012, 10:35 AM
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If that's the case lets go back to '03 and pick Parise, '06 and pick Giroux, '08 and pick Eberle, Parise-Giroux-Eberle
Giddy-up! Now we're talking dude. I guess there aint a big enough eraser to fix those drafts.

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The NHLPA have shown no willingness to start CBA talks. Fehr is a last minute guy. In 2002,he struck a deal with Selig at the deadline to avoid another work stoppage. The only newsworthy item to come out of the NHL GMs meetings last week was the GMs told Pierre LeBrun off the record they didn't think the NHL would allow teams to buyout a contract(s)and not have it count against the cap. Bettman made some comments yesterday about waiting for the PA to contact him about starting negotiations.
Yup.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/77...n-new-contract

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"That's something that we're relying on the union for right now," Bettman said of the timing on talks. "We've been ready to go for months but there's a new executive director and he's getting up to speed, meeting with his constituents and when the union's ready, then we'll start."

Donald Fehr, who previously led the union for Major League Baseball players, became executive director of the NHLPA in December 2010.
It takes a year and a half for him to get up to speed? And he was working with the union even before he became director:

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Fehr spent time doing pro bono work for the NHLPA, establishing the structure of a constitution and helping educate the players on the role of labor unions in sports. The more his involvement increased, the more emotionally invested he became.
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"I want to be able, with the players, to negotiate an agreement that they are proud of, that they are satisfied with and were a part of forming," Fehr says. "I want them to have that agreement, and begin a relationship with us to set the stage for other things in the years to come. I know that's sort of amorphous, but it's really the goal here."
I get the feeling that Fehr is just waiting to try to put more pressure on the owners. No one wants a work stoppage. I bet they don't start negotiating until after the playoffs are done.

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03-23-2012, 11:22 AM
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No, it has zero merit. Just because something could happen, doesn't mean that there is even a remote chance that it will. Do you honestly believe that the Rangers aren't on top of the situation? That they don't talk to Kreider and know where his head is at? Sather did a live telephone interview during a BC game a few weeks ago. You think he's going to do that if he has any doubt that Kreider will sign? Kreider payed his own way to skate with the Rangers over the summer. He attended the Rangers/Bruins game in boston and did an interview with Gianone during the intermission. Do you think he's going to do those things if he doesn't intend to sign with the Rangers?

This is the same ******** people said about McD and there was absolutely no basis for that either. Just people getting their panties in a bunch worrying about something that was extremely unlikely to happen.
It's happened before. I'm not saying there's a good chance it'll happen again, but the chance is there.

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If its such fan fodder then why did he go so hard after Nash in the off season?

Also... Please explain how this makes sense

Then in the next breath....

So its fan fodder but he is most likely on the list?
Most likely meaning out of all the scenarios he is the most likely one to be a Ranger, but it's still a super long shot and it most likely won't happen. Only way Nash gets here is if Columbus agrees to pay part of the contract. Suter is too expensive. Ryan will require a massive trade. Keep in mind the Rangers have Stepan, McD, MDZ, Hagelin, AA, etc that they need to re-sign in the coming off seasons. Making any of those moves hurts us in signing the core. This is a really young team with great chemistry. Detroit has from within and they won 4 cups in 15 years doing it. You never see them going out offseason after offseason and signing huge contracts, I don't understand why the Rangers can't build from within because they have a pretty solid prospect pool.

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Trade Staal add Suter? No way.

How about keep Staal and add a star forward via UFA. Or Nash.

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Trade Staal add Suter? No way.

How about keep Staal and add a star forward via UFA. Or Nash.
This. The team will go hard after Parise on July 1. If that's a no go they'll kick the tires on Nash again, perhaps his price will have gone down. If those are both dead ends they'll look to sign or trade for a top 6 forward. They'll then add Kreider to the lineup and go from there.

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cant wait till i can bump this thread next season for a good laugh when Staal's back to form and one of you meatballs starts a "Is Staal the best D-man in the league?" thread on the main board

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03-23-2012, 12:11 PM
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This. The team will go hard after Parise on July 1. If that's a no go they'll kick the tires on Nash again, perhaps his price will have gone down. If those are both dead ends they'll look to sign or trade for a top 6 forward. They'll then add Kreider to the lineup and go from there.
If Nash is here, Kreider won't be.

If Parise is here 2 of Stepan, MDZ, and Hagelin won't be here in 2 years.

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If Nash is here, Kreider won't be.

If Parise is here 2 of Stepan, MDZ, and Hagelin won't be here in 2 years.
You don't know that Kreider is absolutely gone in a deal for Nash. It's definitely possible, but not not an absolute.

And it's also not a certainly that 2 of Stepan, MDZ and Hags are gone in two years either if Parise is signed. Others could be moved in their place if space is needed. What's to say Dubinsky and Anisimov aren't gone instead?

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If Nash is here, Kreider won't be.

If Parise is here 2 of Stepan, MDZ, and Hagelin won't be here in 2 years.
I can only thank God Almighty you will never lay a finger on this organization.

I don't understand why so many people are saying we won't be able to afford throwing 6-7mil at Parise? Let's assume Prust gets about 1.3mil because Sather likes giving juicy contracts to guys like that. MZA might take a hit considering he's making 1.75mil, but for the sake of argument let's say he gets resigned at the same salary. MDZ is probably in for a nice raise - let's say he gets 3.25mil/season up from 1.01mil. Biron will also end up getting his pay bumped up somewhere in the low 1mil's.

Likely departures that we won't have to worry about signing are Eminger, Woywitka, Scott..possibly Fedotenko hinging on playoffs and possibly Stralman depending on if we want to keep him or Eminger as our spare D. Also Drury's buyout hit is lowered by 2mil next season so that's some extra wiggle space.

Before anything is done, capgeek is saying we have roughly 14mil in cap space next year also assuming a higher cap ceiling. Say we sign Feds back at around the same hit..MDZ=3.25mil, Prust=1.3, MZA=1.75, Biron=1.3, Feds=1.4, Eminger/Stralman=1, extra space from Drury's buyout= +2mil plus a projected ~800k increase of the cap ceiling, out of 14mil puts us around the low 7mil range. Parise's current contract has him at 6mil/season so granted we could afford him, we would be throwing nearly every penny we have available at him..which I would be very happy with.

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03-23-2012, 12:50 PM
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I can only thank God Almighty you will never lay a finger on this organization.

I don't understand why so many people are saying we won't be able to afford throwing 6-7mil at Parise? By the looks of it, we'll have about (optimistically) 9mil to throw around comfortably, even after signing guys like Prust/MZA/Biron.

Let's assume Prust gets about 1.3mil because Sather likes giving juicy contracts to guys like that.

MZA might take a hit considering he's making 1.75mil, but for the sake of argument let's say he gets resigned at the same salary.

MDZ is probably in for a nice raise - let's say he gets 3.25mil/season up from 1.01mil.

Biron will also end up getting his pay bumped up somewhere in the low 1mil's.

Likely departures that we won't have to worry about signing are Eminger, Woywitka, Scott..possibly Fedotenko hinging on playoffs and possibly Stralman depending on if we want to keep him or Eminger as our spare D. Also Drury's buyout hit is lowered by 2mil next season so that's some extra wiggle space.

Before anything is done, capgeek is saying we have roughly 14mil in cap space next year also assuming a higher cap ceiling. Say we sign Feds back at around the same hit..MDZ=3.25mil, Prust=1.3, MZA=1.75, Biron=1.3, Feds=1.4, Eminger/Stralman=1, extra space from Drury's buyout= +2mil plus a projected ~800k increase of the cap ceiling, out of 14mil puts us around the low 7mil range. Parise's current contract has him at 6mil/season so granted we could afford him, we would be throwing nearly every penny we have available at him..which I would be very happy with.
It's unsustainable. Nash will cost a lot to bring here and he has the absolute worst contract in hockey. Parise will cost a lot. The Devils aren't just going to let him up and go to their cross town rival for 6 mil. They can easily make room to resign him for that.

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If Nash is here, Kreider won't be.

If Parise is here 2 of Stepan, MDZ, and Hagelin won't be here in 2 years.
If Parise is here, MDZ, Stepan and Hagelin are here in 2 years, Gaborik will not be.

If Nash is here, Kredier will STILL be here, however both Dubi will not be.

And since this thread is wrought with craziness I propose the following:

Trade Dubi, Miller, McIlrath and our 2nd in 2012 and 1st in 2013 for Nash

Trade Staal to the Ducks for Schultz rights, Emerson Etem and their 1st in 2013

Sign Parise

Next Season

Parise (7mm) - Richards (6.66mm) - Gaborik (7.5mm)
Nash (7.8mm) - Stepan (875K) - Callahan (4mm)
Hagelin (637K) - Anisimov (1.875mm) - Kreider (875K)
Prust (1.25mm) - Boyle (1.5mm) - Rupp (1.7mm)
EF: Etem (875K)

Girardi (3.4mm) - McDonagh (875K)
MDZ (2.5mm) - Sauer (1.25mm)
Erixon (900K) - Schultz (900K)
ED: Bickel (600k)

Lundqvist (6.875mm)
Biron (1.5mm)

I mean, if we are really going crazy, why not?

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03-23-2012, 12:56 PM
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It's unsustainable. Nash will cost a lot to bring here and he has the absolute worst contract in hockey. Parise will cost a lot. The Devils aren't just going to let him up and go to their cross town rival for 6 mil. They can easily make room to resign him for that.
It's not the cap hit that will do them in.

It's the actual cash payouts annually that they will not be able to compete with.

Kovy and Parise each getting 10 per for the next 6 years for a team that couldn't make it's payment on the building back in September (still unpaid if I'm not mistaken) that is getting a loan from the NHL for whatever reason?

Not so sure that he signs there, but that's just my opinion/

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This is reality, not a video game.
I agree, but since others were going looney, I felt compelled to do the same.

and while not likely to happen, the numbers show we can get that done.,

the cap hit is just about 61.5 million

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Trade Staal add Suter? No way.

How about keep Staal and add a star forward via UFA. Or Nash.
Sounds like a good idea.

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It's unsustainable. Nash will cost a lot to bring here and he has the absolute worst contract in hockey. Parise will cost a lot. The Devils aren't just going to let him up and go to their cross town rival for 6 mil. They can easily make room to resign him for that.
Yeah, but they may not have the cash to give him a long, heavily front-loaded contract with a low cap hit.

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If Nash is here, Kreider won't be.

If Parise is here 2 of Stepan, MDZ, and Hagelin won't be here in 2 years.
Based on what?

You keep throwing out BS ITT. It's not even like you're presenting these things as your opinion. You're speaking as if you're involved in the Rangers organization and know every move they are going to make. Sather wasn't adding Kreider before the deadline, what makes you think he will in the summer when he's already most likely up in camp?

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He hasn't been great this year, but he's still getting his game back since the concussion. He was great last year and every bit deserving of that contract. If you can't see that, then you don't understand what you are watching.
he has 4 points in 37 games and is a -3.

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he has 4 points in 37 games and is a -3.
Good. Keep checking ESPN's stats instead of actually watching the games. He's a defensive defenseman. You realize what that means, right? As for +/-, Lidstrom was -2 last year.

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good. Keep checking espn's stats instead of actually watching the games. He's a defensive defenseman. You realize what that means, right? As for +/-, lidstrom was -2 last year.
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