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03-23-2012, 10:09 PM
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03-23-2012, 10:11 PM
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Quick's team has to make the playoffs first. It's pretty amazing that LA is still battling for a playoff spot with that caliber of goaltending.

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03-23-2012, 10:11 PM
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Much like the Brodeur/Luongo debated in 07 this one is easy. Lundqvist is better in every statistical category. Yours is openand shout for Lundqvist.

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03-23-2012, 10:12 PM
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Quick's been consistently good the whole season. I don't think Lundqvist has this in the bag like many people believe. Just look at the numbers and it's a lot tighter of a race than people might think.

Henrik Lundqvist, NYR 54GP 54GS 3270MIN 34W 15L 5OTL 7EGA 102GA 1.87GAA 1554SA 1452SV .934SV% 8SO

Jonathan Quick, LOS 62GP 62GS 3673MIN 32W 19L 11OTL 0EGA 120GA 1.96GAA 1707SA 1587SV .930SV% 8SO
That doesn't even include today's disaster.

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03-23-2012, 10:13 PM
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Quick is the reason that LA is even relevant in the playoff race right now, where NY has had a much more balanced season as far as stellar defense and scoring. I think Quick should and will take it if the Kings make the playoffs.

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03-23-2012, 10:15 PM
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That doesn't even include today's disaster.
Edited my post to update with today's game.

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03-23-2012, 10:15 PM
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i'm a huge quick fan, but why should he win it over lundqvist?
because up until the trade deadline the kings were dead last in offense. even in there offensive explosion the last 13 games the kings are still 27th in the league in offense.

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03-23-2012, 10:17 PM
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Quick is the reason that LA is even relevant in the playoff race right now, where NY has had a much more balanced season as far as stellar defense and scoring. I think Quick should and will take it if the Kings make the playoffs.
Well Hank is the biggest reason we were #1 the majority of the season. Ironically, he might be the biggest reason why we lose it. But without Hank, I'm convinced we're in Buffalo's spot now at best. I don't care what Biron's record against mediocre teams is. Hank when he's not sick (Pens) and Torts isn't brain dead (Hawks) gets the best teams in the NHL.

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03-23-2012, 10:17 PM
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Rinne has been playing WAAY better than Quick.

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03-23-2012, 10:19 PM
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i'm a huge quick fan, but why should he win it over lundqvist?
Rangers are 12th in the league in goals for. LA is 28th. Quick is the thing keeping them remotely relevant until the Carter trade.

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03-23-2012, 10:21 PM
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Rinne has been playing WAAY better than Quick.
by giving up 5 goals in his last game, he sure is.

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03-23-2012, 10:21 PM
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Rinne has been playing WAAY better than Quick.
The same Rinne that has a worse GAA at 2.45 than Lundqvist has had at any season during his career? Lundqvist's career worst GAA is 2.43 he wasn't even on the Vezina radar that year, yet for some reason Rinne is so popular he's considered a Vezina favorite by some. Both Lundqvist and Quick give up half a goal less per game than Rinne. I saw him yesterday against the Penguins and that first goal was such utter fail and put his team behind the 8 ball right away. I don't know how Rinne is even in this discussion.

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I think Quick this year is much like Hank in years Hank got nominated. He was playing great and keeping the team from a lottery pick and squeezing them into the playoffs.

So if anything I think Quick gets a nomination, and is in the company of Rinne and Lundqvist.

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03-23-2012, 10:22 PM
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Much like the Brodeur/Luongo debated in 07 this one is easy. Lundqvist is better in every statistical category. Yours is openand shout for Lundqvist.
Not the same. Luongo actually had a better save percentage in every situation in '07, his team just took 61% more penalties than Brodeur's.

Lundqvist has been better than Quick this year, but only slightly. I'd say Halak has been just as good as either, and Elliott better than all of them. However, given the minutes each has logged, I think it's deserved for Lundqvist to win.

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by giving up 5 goals in his last game, he sure is.
WOW. Didn't realize that. He must be the worst goalie in the league.

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03-23-2012, 10:23 PM
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by giving up 5 goals in his last game, he sure is.
Don't forget his 4 save effort the game before, before he was pulled (3 goals on 7 shots).

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03-23-2012, 10:24 PM
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The same Rinne that has a worse GAA at 2.45 than Lundqvist has had at any season during his career? Lundqvist's career worst GAA is 2.43 he wasn't even on the Vezina radar that year, yet for some reason Rinne is so popular he's considered a Vezina favorite by some. Both Lundqvist and Quick give up half a goal less per game than Rinne. I saw him yesterday against the Penguins and that first goal was such utter fail and put his team behind the 8 ball right away. I don't know how Rinne is even in this discussion.
GAA is more of a team stat. What is really awesome is that Rinne can put up so amazing sv% with that high GAA.

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03-23-2012, 10:25 PM
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Rinnie shouldn't even be in the Discussion. That guy has been awful lately.

You mean his 921 SV% to Quicks 930 and Hanks 934 ?

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03-23-2012, 10:27 PM
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GAA is more of a team stat. What is really awesome is that Rinne can put up so amazing sv% with that high GAA.
His save % is still below both Lundqvist and Quick. Save % is such a BS stat anyway. Your teams gives up 5 odd man rushes on 20 shots and the other team score 4 goals and the goalie has a 80% save percentage. Your team gives up 45 points shots and two good scoring chances that the other team scores on and your save % is through the roof.

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03-23-2012, 10:28 PM
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The stats between him and Lundqvist are incredibly close (and that's even before today's cluster****) and he's actually playing great down the stretch Lundqvist decided to throw in his usual stinker month in March this time. This was Hank's best chance at a Vezina and I truly wonder if he'll ever win one in his career. Too many off games for him every season. It's cost him in previous seasons and looks like it'll cost him again this year. Congrats Quick on a well deserved Vezina.
So are you back out on the ledge?

I don't go to many teams forums but do other teams have as many pessimistic fans as the Rangers?

They are in the playoffs, come April 10th or so, no one cares what you won or lost in March.

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03-23-2012, 10:29 PM
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What have you done for me lately -attitude is awesome. Rinne has almost 300 more saves than Quick.

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So are you back out on the ledge?

I don't go to many teams forums but do other teams have as many pessimistic fans as the Rangers?

They are in the playoffs, come April 10th or so, no one cares what you won or lost in March.
It'll matter when we played the Flyers in the first round as opposed to the 8th seed. The Flyers are getting much better goaltending and defense than they were when we went 5-0 against them. And this is about the Vezina not even the playoffs.

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What have you done for me lately -attitude is awesome. Rinne has almost 300 more saves than Quick.
How many more attempts does he have? Do those 300 saves include the big 4 saves he made against the Oilers?

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What have you done for me lately -attitude is awesome. Rinne has almost 300 more saves than Quick.
The Games still matter, The sure as hell matter to NSH trying to get seeding down.

Rinnie has been awful the past 7 games or so. Just because he was very good throught the season. Doesn't give him a pass in March.

Just like Quick and Hank. If they were crapping the bed, they would be in the same boat.

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Lundqvist and Quick have been about even all year, IMO. East Coast bias of the voters aside, with the competition being so close, Lundqvist will take the trophy on credit. And ultimately, I don't really mind that.

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