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03-24-2012, 09:04 PM
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wings would have easily put up 10 goals if not for him
not even close. ever wondered why all opponent goalies look great against the wings? could have to do with bad finishing skills. think of hudler today.

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Perhaps this is exactly what the Wings needed to get them back on the right track?

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03-24-2012, 09:11 PM
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We knew we had to score 4-5 with Conklin in net. But 3 points out of 4 with Conklin in net, I'll gladly take it.
If our PK wasn't complete garbage we would have given up 2 goals. That's not a bad night for Conklin. I don't think he's a key contributor, but we need him until Howard is ready to go. If the PK improves Conklin should give us a shot in those games.

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On 50 shots? Any other goalie would have given up ten tonight.
The basic point is giving up 5 goals with a .900 SV% isn't going to get you a star in many games. He was good but that's a lot of goals and an okay save percentage.

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03-24-2012, 09:16 PM
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So are we all going to pretend that Zetterberg has only 21 goals?

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03-24-2012, 09:17 PM
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-Welcome back Hudler, 1 goal, 2 assists and +3 as well.
Hudler impressed me tonight, too. I think it was his best game in awhile. He still went to the net, but he also came out, got into position for an outlet pass and helped Z&Flip control the puck. I don't think he'd been getting that involved for awhile.

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Now, if only our special teams could get their act together...

I was actually on the edge of my seat for the whole third period. Wow, what a comeback.

Z and Flip are in clutch form. Nyquist and Datsyuk...what a tandem. Who knew? oh yeah, 99% of the fans on this board. Abdelkader and Miller stepping up in Helm's absence.

I don't even think the 4th line saw any IT in the 3rd period. Can't fault Mursak and Emmerton (even Homer to some degree), but they had to roll with the top 3 lines tonight.

Cleary and Hudler still managing to piss me right off. Three point blank chances for Hudler and he scores on a fluke redirect off his skate. Cleary can't hit the net if his life depended on it. Absolutely brutal. Babcock has to keep his mancrush in check and demote him to the 4th line asap.
I'll admit, I thought Nyquist was a better fit for Z than Dats. Happy to see him look good on both lines.

Cleary's the one who bulled his way through on the lost faceoff and got the puck to Miller for the winning goal. I thought he and Huds had good games tonight.

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03-24-2012, 09:24 PM
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Entertaining game tonight.

Canes obviously have nothing left in the tank. They looked tired last night against Columbus and again tonight. Wings really stuck with it after we went up 4-1 due to figure skating diving smurf Skinner. I commend them for that. Ward showed again why the Canes would be a joke without him.

Ok, so i gotta say. My team is bad most seasons. When they make the playoffs they always go deep which is great. But it is tough to be a fan most seasons. Exciting games like this, even when we lose, make being a fan of the Canes more tolerable. Not sure a Detroit fan would understand this perspective but just putting it out there. Good game. Hope you lose in the playoffs (honesty).

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03-24-2012, 09:26 PM
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Yeah as bad as Cleary was in the 1st and 2nd, he had a good 3rd and that was a nice play to set up the winner.

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03-24-2012, 09:29 PM
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I'll admit, I thought Nyquist was a better fit for Z than Dats. Happy to see him look good on both lines.
At first I thought he would fit in well with Z and Mule. But now that Flip and Z have linked up well, Nyquist just gels with Datsyuk's game. I'm not 100% convinced with Bert going into next season. If they could get a better top 6 winger and put Bert on the third line that Nyquist-Datsyuk-X line would be deadly.

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Cleary's the one who bulled his way through on the lost faceoff and got the puck to Miller for the winning goal. I thought he and Huds had good games tonight.
Yes credit goes to Cleary for pressuring the defenseman off the puck and Miller taking it from there. But that was the only good play he made all night. He doesn't take the puck to the net, he just skates behind it and doesn't setup anything, he can't hit an open net for **** and he's terrible at keeping the puck. You're off to a bad start when you're playing on a puck possession team and can't keep the puck. He's losing a lot of battles along the board too, which is something he's usually good at.

I'll also give Hudler credit that he found the open spaces to get those scoring chances. But three chances when it was just him and Ward and he doesn't even get one through? I admit I'm not a Hudler fan, but I don't want to see him fail. Right now, he's not making such a strong case for a new contract. I see him as a backup play and hopefully it doesn't have to come down to the fact where we have to re-sign him because we're out of options.

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03-24-2012, 09:39 PM
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I really felt we dominated this game. A few leaky plays, awful PK and Conklin being terrible contributed to it being as close as it was and us needing to come back.

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03-24-2012, 09:46 PM
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I'm just gonna say, Kindl played well. I forgot how well he moves the puck up the ice. He also has great offensive instincts; almost as good as Smith's. Smith does have a better shot, though. Kindl is suprisingly a good passer too.

One thing Smith has over Kindl right now, and that's skating. Kindl fixes that... I think he easliy replaces Quincey (I think Kindl is better defensively if he could only fix his problem being bumped off the puck to easy).

I guess this is one of this cases of you don't know what you have until you have lost it (his injury). We have Quincey now, give me Kindl long term please. I see a higher potential with this kid.

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Hudler's day will be in the playoffs. He either falls off/falls behind like he did against Pittsburgh early this year and goes somewhere as a playmaker specialist, or he puts it all together and is consistent at the level of some of the effective forechecking, offensive zone games he's had this year, contributes to a good playoff run, and is rewarded with a contract to be part of the bridge Filpula is building between generations. He has made a ton of progress this year building his game to fit the Red Wings/new nhl.

As much as he can be a liability, he can be a game breaker with his passing skills, and that may surprise some people/teams this playoff season. He's never had the opportunity to play big minutes in big games before, if he can make his way from the front of the net to the side boards, he'll be a weapon.

Red Wings are scary good in 3rd periods against teams who played the night before.

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03-24-2012, 10:12 PM
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I'm just gonna say, Kindl played well. I forgot how well he moves the puck up the ice.
Agree. I thought he was particularly good for a guy who just got back in the lineup.

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03-24-2012, 10:12 PM
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At first I thought he would fit in well with Z and Mule. But now that Flip and Z have linked up well, Nyquist just gels with Datsyuk's game. I'm not 100% convinced with Bert going into next season. If they could get a better top 6 winger and put Bert on the third line that Nyquist-Datsyuk-X line would be deadly.

Yes credit goes to Cleary for pressuring the defenseman off the puck and Miller taking it from there. But that was the only good play he made all night. He doesn't take the puck to the net, he just skates behind it and doesn't setup anything, he can't hit an open net for **** and he's terrible at keeping the puck. You're off to a bad start when you're playing on a puck possession team and can't keep the puck. He's losing a lot of battles along the board too, which is something he's usually good at.

I'll also give Hudler credit that he found the open spaces to get those scoring chances. But three chances when it was just him and Ward and he doesn't even get one through? I admit I'm not a Hudler fan, but I don't want to see him fail. Right now, he's not making such a strong case for a new contract. I see him as a backup play and hopefully it doesn't have to come down to the fact where we have to re-sign him because we're out of options.
I don't think Suter will happen, but I think we will end up with Parise. I know all of the arguments that can and have been made that we are just as likely to get none of the big name guys as we are to get one, but I'll still be a bit surprised if Parise doesn't end up in Detroit. Of course, we're bound to see a bunch of people saying Bert would be a lousy third liner at that point. Good grief.

I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of what you say about Cleary, but how often did he get burned? With how this season shook out, from injuries like Mursak and Eaves losing tons of time (or, in Eaves' case, his entire season, maybe more) to trade prices being through the roof, Cleary's in a spot where he almost has to play, but he's not physically up to doing what we're used to seeing him do. And we'll have to settle for him not hurting us and just being "safe" when he's out there. We get Franzen and Helm back, we can re-order those bottom two lines a bit and maybe push Cleary down to the fourth line (where I would still prefer him, in the playoffs at 75%, over Mursak or Emmerton right now). Until then, having him go out, break even the majority of the time, and occasionally make the big play, is what we should hope for.

And I'm not a Hudler fan, either. I don't hate the guy, but I think he's clearly a complimentary player offensively and I'd still bump him down to the third line when Franzen comes back. I think he'll hit the open market, and someone will throw a big deal at him ($4m per) and he'll head to some mediocre team looking to add a vet, add offense, and make the cap floor. If he breaks through and scores ten goals in the playoffs, I'll be the first one to buy him a beer, though. If he can reach the bar to grab it.

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03-25-2012, 12:22 AM
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A win is a win guys, even if it was over a scrub team like Carolina.

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Pretty happy with the game. Can't really blame Conklin for a few of the goals and it was nice to see Detroit rally and get the win rather then rally and still end up losing. Everyone looked great out there tonight, and honestly, I would like to see Nyquist stay with Detroit even when everyone is healthy. He is still learning but he looks alot better then Mursak and Emmerton at the moment and he is playing well with Pavel and Bert. Hopefully we can get Jimmy back soon and get back to where we need to be before the Playoffs start.

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I'm just gonna say, Kindl played well. I forgot how well he moves the puck up the ice. He also has great offensive instincts; almost as good as Smith's. Smith does have a better shot, though. Kindl is suprisingly a good passer too.

One thing Smith has over Kindl right now, and that's skating. Kindl fixes that... I think he easliy replaces Quincey (I think Kindl is better defensively if he could only fix his problem being bumped off the puck to easy).

I guess this is one of this cases of you don't know what you have until you have lost it (his injury). We have Quincey now, give me Kindl long term please. I see a higher potential with this kid.
Kindl was rock solid last night, and when you consider it was his first game for weeks, it makes it even more impressive. 17:42 TOI, 3 hits, 2 SOG, I thought he moved the puck very well, was cool and calm and used his body well. Excellent return. People forget how young the guy still is and when he's confident he's a great weapon back there with his combination of skating and skill.

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I was probably the lone poster defending Conklin here on this board, but I have no problem to say that 2-3 goals tonight were softish. But he had a good game vs the Rangers, then not so good game vs the Canes, still got a win anyway, so his confidence should be better and therefore he should play better. Still the Wings have to score with Conklin in net and play tight defence. Playing a lot should do him good too.

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Kindl was rock solid last night, and when you consider it was his first game for weeks, it makes it even more impressive. 17:42 TOI, 3 hits, 2 SOG, I thought he moved the puck very well, was cool and calm and used his body well. Excellent return. People forget how young the guy still is and when he's confident he's a great weapon back there with his combination of skating and skill.
I don't think he looked that great. He didn't look particularly good or bad. Some of his longer pass attempts were a bit wide of the mark, and resulted in turnovers. That hit he took was pretty nasty, but not really his fault although he at times looks like he lacks awareness of where players are. He's very, very hesitant on the offensive zone, too scared to shoot. He did a good job of gathering the puck up in the defensive zone. He played ~17 min last night.

I don't think it's his skill level that is holding him back. It's awareness and ability to read the game, and usually an avoidance of physical contact.

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I thought Kindl played well for his first game back. He was a bit more physical than usual and had a couple nice hits. The last couple games, Mursak has really stepped his game up big time. Actually making some big hits and utilizing that speed. I think he see's the writing on the wall when everyone's healthy. Which is unfortunate. Cause I would love to see a Mursak, Emmerton, Nyquist line at some point. But won't happen cause Babdick will never sit Homer and Cleary.

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I don't think he looked that great. He didn't look particularly good or bad. Some of his longer pass attempts were a bit wide of the mark, and resulted in turnovers. That hit he took was pretty nasty, but not really his fault although he at times looks like he lacks awareness of where players are. He's very, very hesitant on the offensive zone, too scared to shoot. He did a good job of gathering the puck up in the defensive zone. He played ~17 min last night.

I don't think it's his skill level that is holding him back. It's awareness and ability to read the game, and usually an avoidance of physical contact.
That's pretty much Kindl to me, I have watched probably around 60 Wings games this season and memorable moments including him, errr..I'm sure there've been some, they just don't stand out that much..but I think it more likely to be a few bad mistakes than anything good actually. I don't think he's THAT mistake-prone but he's also almost never doing anything very good either.

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Was that the same Ruutu people fawned over all season? Was he even playing much, didn't even notice him. Jiri Tlusty with 2 goals, and I even seen him backchecking......so bizarre. Nice to beat a medicore eastern team for once!

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can't believe how hard Hudler went to the net

as for the game, they did a brave job coming back. However, I thought Canes at times backed up little bit too much. well actually they were pretty bad.

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as for the game, they did a brave job coming back. However, I thought Canes at times backed up little bit too much. well actually they were pretty bad.
True, however that's back to back solid performances where were were competitive. So at least we seem to be headed in the right direction. Well, other than the PK.

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I was probably the lone poster defending Conklin here on this board, but I have no problem to say that 2-3 goals tonight were softish. But he had a good game vs the Rangers, then not so good game vs the Canes, still got a win anyway, so his confidence should be better and therefore he should play better. Still the Wings have to score with Conklin in net and play tight defence. Playing a lot should do him good too.
He's been playing every game for GR for a month though.

http://theahl.com/stats/gamebygame.php?id=757

Rust can't possibly be an issue for him - he's started 12 AHL games and 2 NHL games in the last 32 days.

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