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Crud I thought Kreider was playing at 7. Can someone summarize his game !

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Crud I thought Kreider was playing at 7. Can someone summarize his game !
Air Force's defense and goal tending kept them in the whole game. BC's offense had short spurts of real good offense. Didn't see the 1st goal(went to get my phone) and the 2nd was scored by Kreider as well.


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Air Force's defense and goal tending kept them in the whole game. BC's offense had short spurts of real good offense. Didn't see the 1st goal(went to get my phone) and 2nd was a Empty Net goal. Both by Kreider
Both goals were scored on a goalie.

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Air Force's defense and goal tending kept them in the whole game. BC's offense had short spurts of real good offense. Didn't see the 1st goal(went to get my phone) and 2nd was a Empty Net goal. Both by Kreider
Best short summary.

I thought BC was being way too conservative. But Air Force's offense looked pretty much non-existant. So I guess it was the right call. But in a one goal game, you think you would want to get that insurance goal earlier.

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not sure where to put this cause there is no ncaa tourney thread...but side note:

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please sign jeremy welch when union is done

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Kreider's first goal was a solid cycle play to the goalies right, Hayes skated behind the net from goalies right to left, put the puck in front where Kreider was crashing and put in a nice feed from Hayes.

Very nice goal.

His 2nd goal was just as nice.

Shot from the point deflected in front, with little room, Kreider got a solid back hand on net, moved in to his his own rebound pushed the puck a little wide, grabbed the puck again from behind the net and stuffed it in with the goalie a bit out of position from the previous action.

Both goals were sweet and he passed on a shot at the Hat Trick to set up a teammate with 3 seconds left.

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Air Force's defense and goal tending kept them in the whole game. BC's offense had short spurts of real good offense. Didn't see the 1st goal(went to get my phone) and 2nd was a Empty Net goal. Both by Kreider
Sounds like you didn't see either of the goals.

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Kreider's first goal was a solid cycle play to the goalies right, Hayes skated behind the net from goalies right to left, put the puck in front where Kreider was crashing and put in a nice feed from Hayes.

Very nice goal.

His 2nd goal was just as nice.

Shot from the point deflected in front, with little room, Kreider got a solid back hand on net, moved in to his his own rebound pushed the puck a little wide, grabbed the puck again from behind the net and stuffed it in with the goalie a bit out of position from the previous action.

Both goals were sweet and he passed on a shot at the Hat Trick to set up a teammate with 3 seconds left.
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If somebody can post a yt link, it would be much appreciated too.

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Can anybody explain to a foreigner what prospects are all about?
Is it like branding young college/AHL players preventing them from being poached and being able to call them up to the pros whenever you see fit?

What if any, type of salary are they on?

Cheers.

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Chris Kreider’s going places
BC star, future NHL player respects effort of Air Force
bostonherald.com

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/...eid=1061119813

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Can anybody explain to a foreigner what prospects are all about?
Is it like branding young college/AHL players preventing them from being poached and being able to call them up to the pros whenever you see fit?

What if any, type of salary are they on?

Cheers.
Without going too much into the details and semantics, when an NHL team drafts a young prospect (from college, the OHL, WHL, QMJHL, KHL, etc), it basically means that the prospect's "rights" to sign an NHL contract are owned by that NHL team...so yea, that player cannot be poached by another NHL team. The prospect does not have to sign a contract right away though, they can play in their junior league or college for a few more years before their team has to sign them.

EDIT: So until they sign a contract with their NHL team, they get no salary.

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Can anybody explain to a foreigner what prospects are all about?
Is it like branding young college/AHL players preventing them from being poached and being able to call them up to the pros whenever you see fit?

What if any, type of salary are they on?

Cheers.
Prospects are players who have been selected by the team in the NHL entry draft. They are young players the team hopes to develop into NHLers. Prospects are not paid by their NHL teams until they make the big club. They do get paid by their AHL club when they play in the minors though (the AHL is the last stop before reaching the NHL). Generally, the only prospects who can be called up are the AHLers. You can technically call up any player signed to an ELC (entry level contract), whether they're playing in Canadian major junior or in the European pro leagues, but that rarely happens. The ELCs of prospects on major junior teams remain dormant unless they're called up to the NHL. European pros don't typically sign ELCs until they're ready to leave Europe, but teams will sometimes sign prospects and let them spend an extra year developing in Europe. Other prospects cannot be called up because they play in amateur leagues like the NCAA or the Junior A leagues and cannot sign a contract without ruining their eligibility. These players don't sign ELCs until they are ready to leave for the AHL or NHL.

So for example, this thread is about Chris Kreider. Kreider is the Ranger's top prospect and plays in the NCAA. The Rangers can't call him up. They do, however, hope to sign Kreider to an ELC when his season ends because they believe he is NHL ready. That's why a lot of people are rooting for Kreider's team (Boston College) to be knocked out of the NCAA tournament. They want his college season to end so the Rangers can sign him.

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Prospects are players who have been selected by the team in the NHL entry draft. They are young players the team hopes to develop into NHLers. Prospects are not paid by their NHL teams until they make the big club. They do get paid by their AHL club when they play in the minors though (the AHL is the last stop before reaching the NHL). Generally, the only prospects who can be called up are the AHLers. You can technically call up any player signed to an ELC (entry level contract), whether they're playing in Canadian major junior or in the European pro leagues, but that rarely happens. The ELCs of prospects on major junior teams remain dormant unless they're called up to the NHL. European pros don't typically sign ELCs until they're ready to leave Europe, but teams will sometimes sign prospects and let them spend an extra year developing in Europe. Other prospects cannot be called up because they play in amateur leagues like the NCAA or the Junior A leagues and cannot sign a contract without ruining their eligibility. These players don't sign ELCs until they are ready to leave for the AHL or NHL.

So for example, this thread is about Chris Kreider. Kreider is the Ranger's top prospect and plays in the NCAA. The Rangers can't call him up. They do, however, hope to sign Kreider to an ELC when his season ends because they believe he is NHL ready. That's why a lot of people are rooting for Kreider's team (Boston College) to be knocked out of the NCAA tournament. They want his college season to end so the Rangers can sign him.
Excellent. Cheers Zil and MrHockey for the explanation. I've become quite fond of the game and love hearing about how the off-ice, behind the scenes stuff works.

Let's hope Kreider can be the wonder boy everybody is expecting him to be.

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Excellent. Cheers Zil and MrHockey for the explanation. I've become quite fond of the game and love hearing about how the off-ice, behind the scenes stuff works.

Let's hope Kreider can be the wonder boy everybody is expecting him to be.
haha holy ****! you asked what I've been wondering, since us Aussies are still learning! Well I am anyway!
(And you're on whirlpool right?)

Even though Kreider hasn't played NHL yet, I'm sure he'll improve our inept offense ever so slightly! Coz it can't get much worse!

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Minnesota Duluth was the only team besides BC which could have been the #1 seed in the entire tournament. If Duluth had won the WCHA last week,they would have been #1 seed over BC. We covered that topic in the last thread.

The winner of BC-Duluth takes on the winner of North Dakota-Minnesota in the frozen 4. 4 of the top programs in college hockey. 3 WCHA schools. In the other semifinal,its Ferris State-Union. Seems kind of one sided.

http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-brac...ehockey-men/d1

Air Force decided to take some chances with 4 minutes left in the game. 4 minutes? They needed to open it up a little earlier. Then they took the penalty and were trying to kill the penalty. Get the puck it deep and pull your goalie. Air Force couldn't complete a pass. Every time they got a scoring chance,their forward needed to be a different shot. A right handed shots only option was backhand. It was a lefty,he would have had a better opportunity to finish. BC used to be a free wheeling open the ice up and skate team. Now they play like the Rangers and Bruins. Blocking shots. Deflecting shots with his sticks. Getting in passing lanes. Jerry York tweaked the system to fit the players.

Since 2006,the top seed facing an Atlantic Hockey team has not advanced to the Frozen 4.

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Prospects are players who have been selected by the team in the NHL entry draft. They are young players the team hopes to develop into NHLers. Prospects are not paid by their NHL teams until they make the big club. They do get paid by their AHL club when they play in the minors though (the AHL is the last stop before reaching the NHL). Generally, the only prospects who can be called up are the AHLers. You can technically call up any player signed to an ELC (entry level contract), whether they're playing in Canadian major junior or in the European pro leagues, but that rarely happens. The ELCs of prospects on major junior teams remain dormant unless they're called up to the NHL. European pros don't typically sign ELCs until they're ready to leave Europe, but teams will sometimes sign prospects and let them spend an extra year developing in Europe. Other prospects cannot be called up because they play in amateur leagues like the NCAA or the Junior A leagues and cannot sign a contract without ruining their eligibility. These players don't sign ELCs until they are ready to leave for the AHL or NHL.

So for example, this thread is about Chris Kreider. Kreider is the Ranger's top prospect and plays in the NCAA. The Rangers can't call him up. They do, however, hope to sign Kreider to an ELC when his season ends because they believe he is NHL ready. That's why a lot of people are rooting for Kreider's team (Boston College) to be knocked out of the NCAA tournament. They want his college season to end so the Rangers can sign him.
How common is it for NHL clubs to sign these types of prospects (I have learned that Kreider is a very special player with a very special talent) at the end of the regular season, so that they can be in the line up for playoffs?

Isnīt it so that if the Rangers sign Kreider now, this season counts as one whole year in a Entry Level Contract?

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How common is it for NHL clubs to sign these types of prospects (I have learned that Kreider is a very special player with a very special talent) at the end of the regular season, so that they can be in the line up for playoffs?
Not that common. Many college players decide to leave school during the offseason and sign then (Stepan, McDonagh). Others who have completed their 4 years usually sign right away, assuming they are offered a contract, and then sign an ATO (amateur tryout) with the team's AHL affiliate for the rest of the current season (Hagelin). In those cases, their ELC doesn't kick in until the following year.

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Isnīt it so that if the Rangers sign Kreider now, this season counts as one whole year in a Entry Level Contract?
Yes, that's part of it. If he plays in even 1 game, this year will count toward his ELC and he'll be that much closer to his next contract and arbitration eligibility. That's part of the incentive, as is the signing bonus he would get. He will get a max ELC of 900k which will include the max signing bonus of 10%. That's 270k he'll get as soon as he signs (10% of 900k times 3 years). If BC gets knocked out today and Kreider signs right away, he can make another 40-50k, roughly (810k / 185 (# of days in season) * X (# of days left in season)).

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Without going too much into the details and semantics, when an NHL team drafts a young prospect (from college, the OHL, WHL, QMJHL, KHL, etc), it basically means that the prospect's "rights" to sign an NHL contract are owned by that NHL team...so yea, that player cannot be poached by another NHL team. The prospect does not have to sign a contract right away though, they can play in their junior league or college for a few more years before their team has to sign them.

EDIT: So until they sign a contract with their NHL team, they get no salary.
No salary from their NHL team, but im pretty sure CHL players get paid by their CHL club. Albeit not much.

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With Zucc out--if BC loses today the Rangers might think about it more seriously. We've been doing the win one-lose one routine for a while and despite all the 'well rested' remarks of our coaching staff we don't seem to be playing with as much energy--our forecheck (something that Kreider should be able to help us with) not all that good lately. And just getting his name on a frigging contract means he won't be going back to BC for his senior year--(I like the BC program but I don't think another year there is going to make him a better player). He's a very big guy and a wonderful skater and he's played against NHL level competition in two World Championships. It's time to get him signed.

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Kreiders 2 goals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19VtG-o_rM4

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Nice, thanks for posting. That tool Beninati does the Frozen Four? Lol

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Northeast finals are on today at 8. I assume that's the Worcester bracket. So Kreider is on again tonight?

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Yes Kreider and BC are playing at 8.

North Dakota-Minnesota at 5:30

Both games are on ESPNU

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