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Their problems run deeper than just the goalie. He has been a problem but not the root of the issues. Their commitment to defense as a team is the real problem.
I would assume it's somewhere around a 2nd and a prospect for both. Clowe would get the better prospect or maybe a 1st at the very max.
I'd certainly do one of the 1sts this year for Clowe.
I love when leafs fans expect to throw their garbage in return for a top liner, 40+ goal scorer. And then when they're asked to give up their first or their top prospect "That's ridiculous".
I love when other fans **** on the leafs fan for saying a proposal is crazy. Marleau is not worth Lupul + gardiner +3rd. First of all Lupul is younger than marleau and is putting up better numbers. Next is gardiner who is a very promising player who's shined in his first year in the NHL. The third I don't really care about. That's overpayment for marleau who is just going to decline from now on. A trade like that is something the leafs of the early 2000's would have done. Trade younger players for aging, on the decline players.
I love when other fans **** on the leafs fan for saying a proposal is crazy. Marleau is not worth Lupul + gardiner +3rd. First of all Lupul is younger than marleau and is putting up better numbers. Next is gardiner who is a very promising player who's shined in his first year in the NHL. The third I don't really care about. That's overpayment for marleau who is just going to decline from now on. A trade like that is something the leafs of the early 2000's would have done. Trade younger players for aging, on the decline players.
You're right that Marleau is not worth Lupul, Gardiner, and a 3rd. He's worth more. This is Lupul's first season where he's been a point-per-game. Marleau has been at or near it for years and has been showing that he's a very good defensive forward as well. Something that can't be said for Lupul. The only reason Lupul is even at this level this year is because he's smart enough to feed Kessel the puck and get out of his way. Marleau has a hell of a lot more responsibilities and contributes more to winning games than Lupul. Gardiner is a good prospect but nothing the Sharks really need.
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Originally Posted by Drydenwasthebest
Out of curiosity:
To Montreal: Thornton, Clowe, Murray
To San Jose: 2012 1st, Bourque, Plekanec, 2012 0r 2013 2nd (San Jose's Choice)
Thoughts?
You really think Thornton is going to waive his NMC for Montreal?
You're right that Marleau is not worth Lupul, Gardiner, and a 3rd. He's worth more. This is Lupul's first season where he's been a point-per-game. Marleau has been at or near it for years and has been showing that he's a very good defensive forward as well. Something that can't be said for Lupul. The only reason Lupul is even at this level this year is because he's smart enough to feed Kessel the puck and get out of his way. Marleau has a hell of a lot more responsibilities and contributes more to winning games than Lupul. Gardiner is a good prospect but nothing the Sharks really need.
You really think Thornton is going to waive his NMC for Montreal?
Stop trolling. Your act is tired.
It is possible. If he says "yes", do you think the value is fair?
What would it take for Ottawa to get Thornton and Boyle? Seriously? San Jose if they are rebuilding (well really retooling) want cap flexibility and some younger players but still to be able to compete for the playoffs.
Ottawa gets Thornton and Boyle. Both UFA in 2014. $7 million and 6.667 million cap hits.
San Jose gets Bishop, a young goalie ready to maybe be a starter, Butler 1 year left at $1 million, Regin a talented if often injured RFA they can sign for around $1.1 or $1.2 million a season. Sergei Gonchar who is needed to make salary work from Ottawa. One year left at $5.5 million. Still effective PP specialist he helps to compensate for loss of Thornton and Boyle. And the centerpiece of what they get from Ottawa, Zibanejad and a 2013 first round pick.
San Jose clears tons of salary, gets Gonchar and Butler as salary dumps, roster players and gets a quality potential starter/backup in Bishop, Zibanejad last years 6th overall pick and 2013 first.
Ottawa gets 2 high quality if older star players and they can fit it under their cap... They are in win now mode with Alfredsson near retirement. Bring in vets to mix with the kids. And they resign Kuba which actually works with their cap space.
Karlsson-Kuba
Cowen-Boyle
Phillips-cheap UFA or rookie
That lineup would be right at the Cap, but would be incredibly good with a mix of vet and young players. Gives you a two year window to win the Cup before Alfie retires and you need to resign Mickalek, Thornton, Boyle.
To San Jose: 2012 1st, Bourque, Plekanec, 2012 0r 2013 2nd (San Jose's Choice)
Thoughts?
That's not tempting at all. If we trade those 3, we are re-tooling with a younger group. DW would be looking for very young top line talent and prospects with a high ceiling.
I love when other fans **** on the leafs fan for saying a proposal is crazy. Marleau is not worth Lupul + gardiner +3rd. First of all Lupul is younger than marleau and is putting up better numbers. Next is gardiner who is a very promising player who's shined in his first year in the NHL. The third I don't really care about. That's overpayment for marleau who is just going to decline from now on. A trade like that is something the leafs of the early 2000's would have done. Trade younger players for aging, on the decline players.
You guys pulled that "younger, putting up more pts" last year with Kulemin. He was virtually deemed untouchable and I know there was a good portion of Leafs fans unwilling to move him for Iginla etc. Problem is whether you want to admit it or not this is an outlier year for Lupul; I really don't expect him to be putting up numbers that would put him among the top 10 again.
Secondly where did you get Marleau is on the decline? A declining Marleau is still the Leafs top center.
It is possible. If he says "yes", do you think the value is fair?
It's possible like anything is possible but Thornton to Montreal of his own choosing? I sincerely doubt it. And no, that trade isn't really fair value. The Sharks can get more than that separating the players and moving them to different teams.
only guy i would realistically be interested in from a Flyers POV would be Burns, but he should probably be #1 on their untouchable list...
yeah cuz no team could use a thornton,clowe,couture,murray,pavelski lol...roll my eyes...you guys must be so set on a cup run that no one else sees it coming...
If your Edmonton do you trade the 2nd overall for Thornton?
No, I would not trade our 2nd over all for Thornton, we are rebuilding and Joe won't be around long enough. He only has 3-4 yrs max of performing at a high level. I would rather see Edm take Gally or Grig
If they do miss the playoffs is a blow up expected to happen?
Would the duo of Thornton/Marleau be moved? If Thornton goes I have to think of one team that would have to be in on him hard would be Toronto.. they'd have to be.
Or would it be something as small as keeping most of this core and just firing Wilson or something?
Neither would leave unless they themselves chose to do so. The Sharks are virtually the same team, but have scored about 35 less goals this year then last year. That is about the only difference.
If anything, what might happen is the Sharks try and pick up the 35 goal drop via trade and/or free agency. Although if Havlat can stay healthy well then that 35 goal drop goes down quite a bit and it becomes much easier for the Sharks to snap right back to life.
Also if the Sharks win their next two games against Dallas. It is highly likely they make it to the playoffs
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that would require going to cap geek and looking for yourself right ?
The two main characters are locked in, as are Handzus and Boyle
San Jose needs to backfill the roster with better defensive forwards that have sandpaper over the next few years to make a run of it with Joe, Patrick and Dan Boyle.
They should be able to attract a free agent or two with 2 year contracts. Ideally these new guys are team first, can play on the PK in a pinch and can chip in on offense from time to time.
Langkow, Boyes, Stoll, Hecht and Jokinen come to mind
Highly doubt San Jose moves any of the NTC guys when they can just spend 8.7 megabucks to bring in the right kind of guys.
