That would be a ballsy move to take Galy 2nd-not saying it wouldn't turn out to be a great pick but if it didn't-oh boy.
Not saying to necessarily take him 2nd but perhaps play Montreal, NYI or whomever to get him +. I think there will be teams who would want Gringo, Murray, Dumba or even Forsburg and be willing to pay for that chance.
I think so. Some question if he will come to the US.
Vasilevsky plays for Ufa and there isnt a chance to play in the first team. It is a question how is his contract too, if it will finish in this season IMO he would play in CHL, if not Ufa wont allow to go to NA.
Not saying to necessarily take him 2nd but perhaps play Montreal, NYI or whomever to get him +. I think there will be teams who would want Gringo, Murray, Dumba or even Forsburg and be willing to pay for that chance.
So you're saying if we lose the lottery then swap picks with a top 4 or 5 team and get an additional player or prospect? That could work.
I'm still of the hope I guess that we somehow get to keep our 1 or 2 pick and then trade Nash or a combo of some of the picks and any players except the untouchables we have to try and grab a second of the top 8.
In my mind the untouchables would be JMFJ, Moore, RyJo & Cam. Other than that I'd throw any or all of them into a deal to get another one of the top 8. This team needs a complete reconstruction. Might as well start sooner rather than later.
Does Gaunce's offense carry over? Or is he someone who, if not, does enough other things at a high enough level that it doesn't matter?
Gaunce is a player and a leadership type guy, even if he doesn't score. I think his game transfers, he'll be a 50-60 point guy who does everything ... if not though, he'll be a third/fourth line guy who plays on the PK and wears a letter.
So you're saying if we lose the lottery then swap picks with a top 4 or 5 team and get an additional player or prospect? That could work.
I'm still of the hope I guess that we somehow get to keep our 1 or 2 pick and then trade Nash or a combo of some of the picks and any players except the untouchables we have to try and grab a second of the top 8.
In my mind the untouchables would be JMFJ, Moore, RyJo & Cam. Other than that I'd throw any or all of them into a deal to get another one of the top 8. This team needs a complete reconstruction. Might as well start sooner rather than later.
If we're one, get Nail. Agreed, use the Nash pick + (or ++) to get into the top 5 or 6 and grab Gally. Use our LA pick, if we get it or our 2nd(s) + to get the best available goalie, maybe even Nail's best buddy.
Boston, Vancouver, Toronto, San José and Detroit. Toronto is in good position to get Galchenyuk, but... would Burke trade his first round pick and something for Nash? IMO after Kessel trade probably not. We can trade Nash to Boston, Nucks or Sharks and trade their first round pick and LAK pick for a pick in TOP 10 but... would be it good? Yakupov can play with Johansen in the future.
Gaunce is a player and a leadership type guy, even if he doesn't score. I think his game transfers, he'll be a 50-60 point guy who does everything ... if not though, he'll be a third/fourth line guy who plays on the PK and wears a letter.
So basically, good Umberger at best, Derek MacKenzie at worst?
What are the chances of someone like Derrick Pouliot falling to the Los Angeles spot?
And more important, what could Columbus do with three different spellings of the same phonetic name on the team at the same time?
So you're saying if we lose the lottery then swap picks with a top 4 or 5 team and get an additional player or prospect? That could work.
I'm still of the hope I guess that we somehow get to keep our 1 or 2 pick and then trade Nash or a combo of some of the picks and any players except the untouchables we have to try and grab a second of the top 8.
In my mind the untouchables would be JMFJ, Moore, RyJo & Cam. Other than that I'd throw any or all of them into a deal to get another one of the top 8. This team needs a complete reconstruction. Might as well start sooner rather than later.
Question: Why is Johansen "untouchable"?
Answer: Because it's illegal to hit a guy on the bench.
FWIW from Elliotte Friedman's 30 thoughts this week (cbc.ca):
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NHL teams watching Nail Yakupov in the OHL playoffs last Friday: Toronto, Anaheim, Buffalo, Columbus. Probably more, but those were the ones I heard about.
FWIW from Elliotte Friedman's 30 thoughts this week (cbc.ca):
I saw that also, interesting to see Anaheim and Buffalo in that mix. Toronto I would expect, but according to the Leafs and their fans, they will eventually acquire every player for nothing more than a bag of pucks, and win multiple Stanley Cups in a row.
Leafs could have been watching Galchenyuk, not Yak.
Any of them, really.
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Which player would you rather have traded away and who kept, Yakupov or Nash? And on a scale of 1-10 how fed up are you with CLB's management? (Mostly Howson)
Side note because I got to add one since I'm a Leafer: Who do you trade for Kessel+? Nash/Yakupov?
Please keep it as it's own thread, never get responses in big sticky threads and it is different from that thread.
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Which player would you rather have traded away and who kept, Yakupov or Nash? And on a scale of 1-10 how fed up are you with CLB's management? (Mostly Howson)
Side note because I got to add one since I'm a Leafer: Who do you trade for Kessel+? Nash/Yakupov?
Please keep it as it's own thread, never get responses in big sticky threads and it is different from that thread.
You'll get responses, trust me.
No one is happy with management, the average fed-up-ness being somewhere around 8-11 on your scale.
Do not want Kessel for Nash, Yak or any combination thereof. Would rather keep both with new management.
OK here is a different point of view. I'd trade Nash for Kessel, Leafs 1 and Gardiner.
If we had management the level of discontent would be very high. With the morons that are here, for most its 10+.
That was around the overall consensus for JT, so no offense but Nash is a near 70 pt player with 80 if he gets 2 first line teammates. The difference between the 2 is Nash makes 2.4 million more, is about 1.1 million overpaid, is 3 years older, has more grit and is better defensively, (Kessel is average) And it seems that Nash is on the decline while Kessel is on the incline.
Kessel on left, Nash on right
2002-2003: NA / 17 22 39
2003-2004: NA / 41 16 57
2004-2005: NA / 31 23 54
2005-2006: NA / 31 23 54
2006-2007: 11 18 29 / 27 30 57
2007-2008: 19 18 37 / 38 31 69
2008-2009: 36 24 60 / 40 39 79
2009-2010: 30 25 55 / 33 34 67
2010-2011: 32 32 64 / 32 34 66
2011-2012: 36 41 77 / 27 26 53
Nash in Playoffs: 39 points/35, Kessel: 15 points/15
Which player would you rather have traded away and who kept, Yakupov or Nash? And on a scale of 1-10 how fed up are you with CLB's management? (Mostly Howson)
Side note because I got to add one since I'm a Leafer: Who do you trade for Kessel+? Nash/Yakupov?
Please keep it as it's own thread, never get responses in big sticky threads and it is different from that thread.
Wouldn't touch Phil Kessel with a 20 foot pole - he far too easy to take off of his game and shut down, and quite frankly, isn't the kind of scoring forward you start a rebuild with. Note to self, Brian Burke.
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That was around the overall consensus for JT, so no offense but Nash is a near 70 pt player with 80 if he gets 2 first line teammates. The difference between the 2 is Nash makes 2.4 million more, is about 1.1 million overpaid, is 3 years older, has more grit and is better defensively, (Kessel is average) And it seems that Nash is on the decline while Kessel is on the incline.
Kessel on left, Nash on right
2002-2003: NA / 17 22 39
2003-2004: NA / 41 16 57
2004-2005: NA / 31 23 54
2005-2006: NA / 31 23 54
2006-2007: 11 18 29 / 27 30 57
2007-2008: 19 18 37 / 38 31 69
2008-2009: 36 24 60 / 40 39 79
2009-2010: 30 25 55 / 33 34 67
2010-2011: 32 32 64 / 32 34 66
2011-2012: 36 41 77 / 27 26 53
Nash in Playoffs: 39 points/35, Kessel: 15 points/15
... then why do you want Rick Nash so badly? That's about the package we would be looking at, come draft day - a high draft pick, top prospect (Gardiner), and a good roster player (Kessel) ... the Leafs have been victims of over-valuing their players for years; it's why Jeff Finger and Mike Komisarek made big bucks. It's why nobody will ever take Phil Kessel off your hands; because, simply put, Brian Burke is asking way too much for any of them, and is putting them in roles they don't belong.
Any trade involving Nash to the Leafs has to include Jake Gardiner or Luke Schenn, a first round pick, and a good roster player (not Tyler Bozak or equivalent). Otherwise, keep dreaming while we take that sexy deal chock full of prospects and picks from the team who actually gets him.
And, for what it's worth, I'd personally take Joffrey Lupul over Phil Kessel any day of the week, injury history and all. Lupul is more the kind of player we've lacked since our inception - not a one-dimensional, primadonna scorer like Phil Kessel; but a guy who actually works hard and competes for his goals.
Give me Lupul, Gardiner, and that top-5 pick, and I'll show Rick Nash which gate to go through at the airport.
Wouldn't touch Phil Kessel with a 20 foot pole - he far too easy to take off of his game and shut down, and quite frankly, isn't the kind of scoring forward you start a rebuild with. Note to self, Brian Burke.
Funny I could have sworn Nash has been easy to take off his game and shut down. Does that mean we shouldn't rebuild around Nash?
Kessel has a stigma about him. Could you replace Nash will Kessel and get around the same amount of scoring and points in the standings? Yep. One player mentioned earned their salary this year. Which one was that?
Is Kessel and Gardiner an adequate return for Nash as EK stated? As much as Kessel is not a favorite of mine, these aren't scrubs. I'm not sure we could pull their #1 out with a package like that. Would our team be better with those two players over Nash? Yep.
I would say it's going to be a long, long off season.
Honestly, when people look at Kessel they get an impression about him that I don't share. When I look at him I see a player that is slowly coming into his own. Personally, I would welcome the opportunity to throw him into the mix of players that we are starting to slowly build here. Wiz, JMFJ, Letestu, Dorse.
For the first time in a long time, I'm starting to like the mix we are creating.
Funny I could have sworn Nash has been easy to take off his game and shut down. Does that mean we shouldn't rebuild around Nash?
Kessel has a stigma about him. Could you replace Nash will Kessel and get around the same amount of scoring and points in the standings? Yep. One player mentioned earned their salary this year. Which one was that?
Is Kessel and Gardiner an adequate return for Nash as EK stated? As much as Kessel is not a favorite of mine, these aren't scrubs. I'm not sure we could pull their #1 out with a package like that. Would our team be better with those two players over Nash? Yep.
I would say it's going to be a long, long off season.
Honestly, when people look at Kessel they get an impression about him that I don't share. When I look at him I see a player that is slowly coming into his own. Personally, I would welcome the opportunity to throw him into the mix of players that we are starting to slowly build here. Wiz, JMFJ, Letestu, Dorse.
For the first time in a long time, I'm starting to like the mix we are creating.
This. Kessel use to be the very streaky player going on 15+ games without anything and getting -30 in that but he has well-rounded it to not be a liability for defense, consistent on offense and finishes his checks alot more now and doesn't completetely zone out against tougher teams
