That aside, in his 284 games in Detroit Stuart has 65 non-PP points playing around 17 minutes a night at ES. In 241 career games with only the first 20 or so as a minor player, Q has 46 non-PP points.
.2288 non-PP ppg vs. .1909 non-PP ppg.
Both guys are awful offensively.
Which backs up my past statements that Kyle Quincey is not any better an option than Derek Meech. Meech is a better defensive player and a much faster player, and has scored 11 ES points and 16 total in 128 NHL games despite only ever being given third-pairing time. Quincey was lucky to get his shot in LA when there were significant injuries; if there weren't injuries, he's not on the PP unit and doesn't score a bunch of points.
Meech would probably have thrived to at least the same degree Quincey did given the opportunity. There's a reason he was higher on the depth chart than Quincey in Grand Rapids and Detroit, and was kept over Quincey.
Which backs up my past statements that Kyle Quincey is not any better an option than Derek Meech. Meech is a better defensive player and a much faster player, and has scored 11 ES points and 16 total in 128 NHL games despite only ever being given third-pairing time. Quincey was lucky to get his shot in LA when there were significant injuries; if there weren't injuries, he's not on the PP unit and doesn't score a bunch of points.
Meech would probably have thrived to at least the same degree Quincey did given the opportunity. There's a reason he was higher on the depth chart than Quincey in Grand Rapids and Detroit, and was kept over Quincey.
You can't be serious. Everyone apparently would have thrived given that chance. KH should just waive all young Wings D, have LA and Colorado develop them, then trade back for them ~because~ apparently that's all it takes.
Based on what? Because I see nothing that pops out before this season. And he plays on the Panthers who were awful since he joined the NHL.
Last season he was still really solid defensively, Panthers fans said the staff encouraged him to shoot more which has given him a good amount of goals. Is he the only Defensemen ever to have more goals than assists? That's really weird.
Last season he was still really solid defensively, Panthers fans said the staff encouraged him to shoot more which has given him a good amount of goals. Is he the only Defensemen ever to have more goals than assists? That's really weird.
Andy Delmore put up 18 goals and 16 assists for the Preds in 02-03.
He's the first guy that comes to mind. They didn't call him Any Elmore for nothing...
Garrison is a one hit wonder. He's paried with Cambpell which opens up some time and space for him and allows him to get it tee'd up for him on the reg. That's like saying White is a defensive specialist cause he was 2nd in +/-.. then Lids got injured. Guy is NOT worth 4m.. I'd give him 3 athe the MOST but would rather get 2.5 and show some consistancy and discuss a raise. But really we have Smith which I think will take a lot of sting out of losing Stuart. We need another pylon though to cover jimmy when he gets burned so far out of the net. Stuey barely hits or fights anymore, good dude, but replaceable at this point. 08 stuart is a different story.
Really? According to Panthers fans he's defensive minded, this is the first year he's putting up points so he's not really an offensive guy.
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Originally Posted by Hockeys Future talent analysis
Garrison’s strengths are his exceptional skating ability and passing touch.He has good on-ice awareness and transitional capability. Garrison is adept at contributing to offensive without sacrificing defensive responsibility. Lacks an element of consistent physical play but it’s an area he’s working to improve. Garrison appears very comfortable on the ice and is a free-wheeling defender whose strength is generating scoring chances. He has terrific hockey sense and is an ideal power-play quarterback. Garrison is learning to pick his spots better in terms of generating the attack and continues refining his coverage and positioning – as reflected by the improvement in his plus-minus rating. Despite his size, he does not play a particularly physical game.
I think Garrison is alright. Good shotblocker, good skating, big shot. Not flashy. Maybe his goal totals this season lead people to believe he's not playing defense. Wouldn't throw big bucks at him in free agency, he's not proven enough for it, but he can play.
Wings fans think very highly of Stuart because he's the only one of his sort on this team, but he's not irreplaceable.
If they're going to throw $4 mil at a defensive defenseman this summer, they'd be better off going after someone like Jackman. Wouldn't hurt to get a little dirtier on the blueline and that guy is certainly dirty.
If they're going to throw $4 mil at a defensive defenseman this summer, they'd be better off going after someone like Jackman. Wouldn't hurt to get a little dirtier on the blueline and that guy is certainly dirty.
If they're going to throw $4 mil at a defensive defenseman this summer, they'd be better off going after someone like Jackman. Wouldn't hurt to get a little dirtier on the blueline and that guy is certainly dirty.
I don't like Jackman at all, but I agree that we need someone Jackman-esque.
You can't be serious. Everyone apparently would have thrived given that chance. KH should just waive all young Wings D, have LA and Colorado develop them, then trade back for them ~because~ apparently that's all it takes.
Pretty sure he was joking....right? Had to be.
Let's conveniently forget that Meech has moved on to the Jets organization and he hasn't done anything (anything, as in, absolutely nothing) there either. Are we to conclude from that that the Wings and Jets development of players is crap, yet LA and Colorado's can turn lead into gold?
alright, I was sort of joking about the Quincey thing, but not really. If Lidstrom comes back, the reality is that the replacement for Stuart is Q/Smith, providing we don't sign Suter (who is the only clear upgrade on anyone we already have under control, either signed or RFA).
If Lids comes back, signing another D has to be a large enough impact to force a significant roster change - dealing another D or shoving Smith back to GR. If Suter's not the guy we're bringing in, I'm not sure I see a significant enough upgrade on the open market that would be worth the roster shuffling involved in signing them.
when ever have you know Detroit to operate like this? actions like this are what separates other teams from Detroit. You don't become the classiest team in the league by trading ufas for whatever you can get
It's not classless to do that whatsoever, especially if the trade is allowing Stuart to negotiate with a California team he would want to go to. He's going to be a UFA regardless, it's not like you're stomping on his face.
I think Garrison is alright. Good shotblocker, good skating, big shot. Not flashy. Maybe his goal totals this season lead people to believe he's not playing defense. Wouldn't throw big bucks at him in free agency, he's not proven enough for it, but he can play.
Wings fans think very highly of Stuart because he's the only one of his sort on this team, but he's not irreplaceable.
So, yeah... that analysis of Garrison confirms he's not what we need. He's another White, perhaps with a better shot. If we lose Stuart the last thing we want to add is another offense-first nonphysical D-man to the mix.
Jackman is a much, much better idea. I'm not saying we should necessarily pursue that option, but it's definitely in the right direction.
Let's conveniently forget that Meech has moved on to the Jets organization and he hasn't done anything (anything, as in, absolutely nothing) there either. Are we to conclude from that that the Wings and Jets development of players is crap, yet LA and Colorado's can turn lead into gold?
