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03-26-2012, 12:26 PM
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He'll wear #18 to shove it to Neal of course.

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03-26-2012, 01:17 PM
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Reilly Smith will practice with the team today, but the visa issue (as expected) is still not worked out.

per Heika via Twitter

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03-26-2012, 01:19 PM
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How long does getting a visa take? Am guessing it'll all be figured out by Wednesday?

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03-26-2012, 01:22 PM
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How long does getting a visa take? Am guessing it'll all be figured out by Wednesday?
I tried to dig something up yesterday, but I only found examples of other players with articles saying the visa was holding them up. None of the articles gave a time frame.

I guess I could go back, find when the player was acquired by a team or signed with them, and then find an article saying the player's visa was done .....

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03-26-2012, 01:29 PM
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Nicklas Hagman was claimed on waivers by Anahiem from Calgary on Monday, November 14th. He had to wait for visa, and he did not play until Thursday, November 17th with Anaheim. He missed a game on Wednesday, November 16th.

Since I imagine the Ducks started the process as soon as possible on Monday (he was a Duck by 9 AM local time) and Dallas probably started the process as soon as possible this morning with Smith, it would seem Wednesday might be out of the question.

However, it's reasonable to assume that Hagman's situation is easier since he was likely just renewing a previously expired visa (he played for Florida and Dallas before going to Canada).

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03-26-2012, 01:34 PM
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Mike Ribeiro might be a better example even though it was 5.5 years ago. He was a Canadian citizen applying for a work visa for the very first time. I don't know though if Reilly Smith's previous school visa will impact the speed of the process at all.

Mike Ribeiro was acquired on Saturday, September 30th. He did not play a game with the Stars until Saturday, October 7th, and he missed the Wednesday, October 4th, Stars game.

It's just an assumption, but the visa process with most government processes probably couldn't take place on a Saturday. So starting the process on Monday wasn't soon enough for him to play on Wednesday either.

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03-26-2012, 01:35 PM
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Nicklas Hagman was claimed on waivers by Anahiem from Calgary on Monday, November 14th. He had to wait for visa, and he did not play until Thursday, November 17th with Anaheim. He missed a game on Wednesday, November 16th.

Since I imagine the Ducks started the process as soon as possible on Monday (he was a Duck by 9 AM local time) and Dallas probably started the process as soon as possible this morning with Smith, it would seem Wednesday might be out of the question.

However, it's reasonable to assume that Hagman's situation is easier since he was likely just renewing a previously expired visa (he played for Florida and Dallas before going to Canada).
well i would also assume it is easier for a canadian to get an american work visa than it is for a finn so we really have no idea, what is clear is that he will not be able to play tonight

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03-26-2012, 01:40 PM
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I don't know if they didn't make the immigration issues public or he just didn't have any and the team was letting him get up to speed in practice, but Canadian Jaden Schwartz signed with the Blues on 3/12. He was held out of a 3/13 game, and he took warmups without playing on 3/15. His first actual game was on 3/17.

He seems to be in the same situation as Reilly Smith, but there is no mention of immigration issues or a work visa from what I could find.

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03-26-2012, 01:43 PM
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well i would also assume it is easier for a canadian to get an american work visa than it is for a finn so we really have no idea, what is clear is that he will not be able to play tonight
I don't know if that is a reasonable assumption or not. It doesn't seem like the US has degrees of foreign. From the sports work visas I saw online the only issue was the player isn't an American citizen. I didn't see separate forms for Canadian vs. Euro.

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03-26-2012, 01:46 PM
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I don't know if that is a reasonable assumption or not. It doesn't seem like the US has degrees of foreign. From the sports work visas I saw online the only issue was the player isn't an American citizen. I didn't see separate forms for Canadian vs. Euro.
I have gone to school with people from a lot of different nationalities but i am fairly certain it is easier at least for school visa's to get one if you are canadian, i was friends with a korean kid who's parents had him to go high school in canada and get canadian citizenship because it would make it that much easier for the next 8 years, also i knew a moldovan kid who wouldn't be able to get back in to the US if he left for another 6 months so he couldn't go home or out of the country for breaks... there aren't different forms but there are different rules

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03-26-2012, 01:56 PM
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Instead of limiting the search to hockey players, I found a Toronto lawyer for all types of employees that did claim the NAFTA agreement makes work visa's easier for Canadians.

Still no time frame though.

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Well ... that is interesting.

Athletes play under a P-1 visa. If you aren't part of a team sport (NHL, NBA, etc.) you have to prove you have international recognition or apply under a different (and assuming longer process to acquire) visa.

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03-26-2012, 02:08 PM
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Alright I give up. According to the state department website, the expedited service claims to allow the process to be complete in 15 days or less. Hagman and Ribeiro did it much sooner, but neither played in a game soon enough to assume Smith could play in Wednesday's game.

Hopefully in this case they get it done a bit sooner, but Friday looks like the most reasonable guess until someone from the Stars makes a statement.

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03-26-2012, 02:52 PM
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Heika says Reilly Smith's work visa could be done on Thursday, but they aren't certain.

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So if we don't make the playoffs, we're blowing an entire year of his contract for five games...MAYBE four.

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03-26-2012, 03:13 PM
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So if we don't make the playoffs, we're blowing an entire year of his contract for five games...MAYBE four.
That is correct, but it does not limit his RFA years unless changes are made to the application of the term "accrued season" in the next CBA.

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03-26-2012, 03:28 PM
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A higher cap hit to Reilly only hurts cap flexibility if Dallas is spending to the cap in two years.
No? Who says the Stars' internal cap will be synonymous with the actual cap? We can talk about Gaglardi having lots of money but the bottom line is we don't know how much he's willing to spend until he does it.

I'm not saying it "hurts the team", I'm saying it reduces flexibility. You're caught up in the minutiae. I'm concerned with the general principle.

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Honestly don't see him doing much -- hope I am wrong. Jump from College to the NHL is huge and because he was in the College system he has no NHL training camp or rookie camp experience. I like bringing him along for the experience and learning about being a pro, as for actually playing, not sure I like it.

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Honestly don't see him doing much -- hope I am wrong. Jump from College to the NHL is huge and because he was in the College system he has no NHL training camp or rookie camp experience. I like bringing him along for the experience and learning about being a pro, as for actually playing, not sure I like it.
He was part of the Stars prospect camp over the summer.

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He was part of the Stars prospect camp over the summer.
I thought participating with your NHL team waived your NCAA eligibility.

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I thought participating with your NHL team waived your NCAA eligibility.
You have to pay your own way to get there. Don't think prospect camps are off limits though.

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Did anyone listen to the audio of gully after practice or whatever today... it sounded like he was planning on playing reilly in the bottom 6

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GM Joe has seen something in this kid, and Joe hasn't led us astray yet.
I mean there is no telling how he will adapt to the big leagues, but I will trust Joe's judgement on this until proven otherwise.

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Last question from me, the Stars website and Camp Roster .PDF list him at 157 pounds, HF at 161, and HockeyDB at 160. Pretty skinny, certainly needs to bulk up.

Anyone know the most reliable number?

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Last question from me, the Stars website and Camp Roster .PDF list him at 157 pounds, HF at 161, and HockeyDB at 160. Pretty skinny, certainly needs to bulk up.

Anyone know the most reliable number?
i would say miami's 183 is the most reliable

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