I think now Hossa is better than Zetterberg. The man is a beast on the puck.
Over the course of the full season I would agree with you, but Zetterberg since the new year has been the best 2 way forward in the league. He is scoring at over a ppg and has been shuting people down. He looks like 2007-2009 Hank, who was probably #1 in this category then.
defintly zetts needs more love here... ericsson too.... burrows as well
Even as a lifetime Nucks fan, it's hard for me to put Burrows in anywhere above honorable mention. Not that he's by any means a bad player, but he doesn't quite match up with any of the guys in the top 10.
Top 15, more like. Like anybody does Top 15 lists these days
How guys like Oshie and Marchand are mentioned before Burrows is kind of shocking. Say what you will about the guy but he is a beast defensively and a consistent 20 goal scorer.
t is very hard to think of many wingers better defensively then Burrows. Eriksson and Hossa come to mind immediately. Maybe Parise? Although I haven't watched him a lot this season.
I think Oshie, Marchand, Burrows and Filppula are all on the same plane. Really good players with a defense first mindset and they fly under the radar when it comes to "Who's the best" lists. But those players are not sure fire top ten in the NHL.
Joe actually takes face offs in his own zone, unlike Henrik, can't speak for Sid. Him, Marleau and Pavelski are the shutdown line and face some of the stiffest competition nightly and are incredibly successful at it. Thornton IS one of the best defensive forwards in the league, Pavelski is better and should be in the conversation, but unfortunately the Selke more than any other award is given on reputation, part of the reason is that it is so hard to quantify defensive prowess. Also it seems the award is biased toward players that are awesome defensively and really fast, whereas a less explosive guy doesn't get near enough recognition. The award is quiet flawed. Can't go wrong with Datsyuk though.
This thread isn't name every player that has ever scored a goal and backchecked in the same game. It's the best 2-way players in the game.
My understanding of a great 2 way player would be that he is someone you can use in all situations. Last minute of a 1 goal game, he would be out there for either team. PP, PK, even strength doesn't matter.
Some people just start naming defensive forwards, while others name guys who are great offensively, and only decent defensively.
I think a great 2-way player should be great in both areas. Sure, he can be better at one than the other, but defensively and offensively he should be great.