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03-26-2012, 08:20 PM
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Erik Karlsson AINEC
He's not on the same level defensively as the elite 2-way forwards.

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03-26-2012, 08:21 PM
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Wayne Simmonds should get some recognition

also Rich Peverley, and Chris Kelly (this season anyways, he has 19 goals so far)

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03-26-2012, 08:21 PM
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That list is missing Toews and Bergeron. I mean really, Marchand over Bergeron?
I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me..

Both Bergy and Toews are locks in this category IMO.

I'd put Chris Kelly, Rich Peverley and David Krejci on this list over Marchand.

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03-26-2012, 08:22 PM
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This Year:
Datsyuk
Toews
O'Reilly
Hossa
Oshie

Overall:
Datsyuk
Toews
Backes
Thornton
Kesler/Bergeron

Underrated:
Spezza
Eriksson
Nash
Pavelski
Kopitar

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03-26-2012, 08:24 PM
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This Year:
Datsyuk
Toews
O'Reilly
Hossa
Oshie

Overall:
Datsyuk
Toews
Backes
Thornton
Kesler/Bergeron

Underrated:
Spezza
Eriksson
Nash
Pavelski
Kopitar
I can agree with this.

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03-26-2012, 08:39 PM
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Not enough Chris Kelly in thread.

And any this year list that doesn't begin with Patrice Bergeron isn't something I can agree with.

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03-26-2012, 08:57 PM
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Joe actually takes face offs in his own zone, unlike Henrik, can't speak for Sid. Him, Marleau and Pavelski are the shutdown line and face some of the stiffest competition nightly and are incredibly successful at it. Thornton IS one of the best defensive forwards in the league, Pavelski is better and should be in the conversation, but unfortunately the Selke more than any other award is given on reputation, part of the reason is that it is so hard to quantify defensive prowess. Also it seems the award is biased toward players that are awesome defensively and really fast, whereas a less explosive guy doesn't get near enough recognition. The award is quiet flawed. Can't go wrong with Datsyuk though.
The days where star/top forwards only play offence are long gone. In order to have success in this league you need to have your entire team buying into a team-defence. It's not a surprise that the top clubs have a ****-ton of two-way forwards as well as 1st Liners who play above-average defence.

Detroit, Vancouver, New York, Pittsburgh, Philly, St. Louis. Boston amongst others. All of their top lines play either excellent neutral-trap stifling defence (NY, STL, BOS) , or a zone-defence (DET, VAN, PIT, PHI)

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03-26-2012, 08:59 PM
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1. Datsyuk
2. Zetterberg (guy has been in straight up beast mode after he sucked for the first 20 games)
3. Hossa
4.Toews

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03-26-2012, 09:03 PM
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Jeeze - I guess Kopitar goes back to "most underrated" threads if he's not on people's lists here.

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03-26-2012, 09:06 PM
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couturier is definitely a great two-way forward in the making

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03-26-2012, 09:12 PM
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Unbelievable that Grabovski hasn't been mentioned yet. He is a very solid two way player and one of the best in the league. Not sure where I'd rank him overall but he excels in all three areas on the ice.

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03-26-2012, 09:14 PM
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Jason Pominville is very good, very balanced player.

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03-26-2012, 09:15 PM
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Alfredsson's been one of the best two-way guys for the last 15 years.

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Wayne Simmonds should get some recognition

also Rich Peverley, and Chris Kelly (this season anyways, he has 19 goals so far)
Wayne Simmonds is not great defensively and that's being charitable.

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03-26-2012, 09:22 PM
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Anyways, it depends how you weight production vs defensive smarts. Many top players are more than competent defensively these days.

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I can see it won't be long until this turns into an "Every player who once scored a goal and backchecks every now and again" thread.

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03-26-2012, 10:13 PM
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I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me..

Both Bergy and Toews are locks in this category IMO.

I'd put Chris Kelly, Rich Peverley and David Krejci on this list over Marchand.
I would definitely not put Krejci over marchand in the two way category

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03-26-2012, 10:18 PM
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Jordan staal aint too shabby, 44 points in 55 games plus he's well documented defensive play

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How this thread made it 4 pages without a single mention (even of the "honorable" sort) of David Legwand is baffling.

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03-26-2012, 10:25 PM
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because "two way" means two ways...meaning offense and defense.

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03-26-2012, 10:26 PM
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I know he's been injured about half the season, but Steen is much better than Oshie defensively. Oshie still turns it over too much in the neutral zone trying to "dangle" too much. He's been benched for this. He still can be great defensively, but I wouldn't put him in the same class as Steen.

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People are confusing best two-way forwards with good two-way forwards, also effort and hustle doesn't mean the guy is effective..

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Chris Kelly.

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