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03-26-2012, 02:58 PM
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Why everybody thinking that they don't pay taxes in Russia?

It is 13% BTW.
Because of Russian politics, all the KHL saleries are tax excempt. The Russian National state wants to make KHL competitive to the NHL, and one of the ways are to make the salaries tax excempt to attract talent.

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03-26-2012, 03:01 PM
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Maybe when they say $5M "tax free," they really mean $5M after taxes (AKA $5M in take home pay). Like the teams pay their taxes..

Or maybe they mean escrow free?

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03-26-2012, 03:27 PM
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If the Preds are not offering something in the 7 mil range - I don't think Rads will sign with us. I actually think he is worth 7 mil at least in his first, say, 3 years of the contract. If we offer 31-32 million for 5 years then we have a good shot at keeping him.

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03-26-2012, 03:56 PM
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If the Preds are not offering something in the 7 mil range - I don't think Rads will sign with us. I actually think he is worth 7 mil at least in his first, say, 3 years of the contract. If we offer 31-32 million for 5 years then we have a good shot at keeping him.
If he really wanted that type of money I hope he enjoys the KHL because he ain't getting that from an NHL team.

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03-26-2012, 04:16 PM
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If he really wanted that type of money I hope he enjoys the KHL because he ain't getting that from an NHL team.
ditto. too small of a sample size to warrant rads getting 7 million. he ditched the NHL and us.. not the other way around

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03-26-2012, 04:50 PM
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If he really wanted that type of money I hope he enjoys the KHL because he ain't getting that from an NHL team.
And there's only one KHL team that realistically can throw that kind of money at him (Gazprom's little toy project SKA St. Petersburg)

Should be a very interesting negotiation in his case. There are cases where teams have handed out contracts based on potential rather than actualy performances but this is going to be SUCH a small sample size.

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03-26-2012, 05:01 PM
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If the Preds are not offering something in the 7 mil range.
The only way he would ever get that is if he absolutely lights up the playoffs and wins the Conn Smyth.

We'll see how he plays the remainder of the year, but I think a 5 million contract would be very generous being that we allowed him to eat up his ELC contract and his best NHL season is 26 goals.

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03-26-2012, 05:04 PM
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If he really wanted that type of money I hope he enjoys the KHL because he ain't getting that from an NHL team.
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ditto. too small of a sample size to warrant rads getting 7 million. he ditched the NHL and us.. not the other way around
dont bet on no one throwing stupid money at him.. the cap is supposedly going way up, and if he has a Conn Smyth-like playoff run (not necessarily winning it, but basically is a PPG player in the playoffs) then some GM will offer him the moon...

I mean, come on, Joel effing Ward got a ridiculous contract for playing well in two playoff series last spring... if we ride Rads to the WC or SC finals, he will be a hot commodity

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03-26-2012, 05:05 PM
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If he really wanted that type of money I hope he enjoys the KHL because he ain't getting that from an NHL team.
Definitely. it's not like we're talking about Joel Ward here.

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03-26-2012, 07:15 PM
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Just read his interview that he gave in 2008. His perspective of KHL was so high then...

I don't think he is going back...

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03-26-2012, 07:46 PM
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I think he plays reasonably well in the playoffs, but not off your rocker amazing, then draws out negotiations to the 11th hour, signs a one-year deal in the $5.5-$6.0mm range, scores like 55-65 points next year, and leaves for a monster deal with someone else.

Pretty specific, but just what I feel.

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I think he plays reasonably well in the playoffs, but not off your rocker amazing, then draws out negotiations to the 11th hour, signs a one-year deal in the $5.5-$6.0mm range, scores like 55-65 points next year, and leaves for a monster deal with someone else.

Pretty specific, but just what I feel.
A one year deal leaves him as a restricted free agent come 1 July 2013.

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03-26-2012, 08:27 PM
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101st ruining my prognostications with his superior contract / CBA knowledge. We'll see then; hard to imagine us not retaining his services for another year if he's RFA at the end of the season unless he gets an absurd offer sheet from somewhere.

Hope he sticks around; small sample size, but he has definitely exceeded my expectations thus far.

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A one year deal leaves him as a restricted free agent come 1 July 2013.
Is it 3 years left?

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03-26-2012, 08:42 PM
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To be a UFA requires either seven accrued seasons (he'll have two at the end of this season), or be 27 years of age as of June 30th of that year .... Radulov's birthday is July 5th ... five days too late to qualify as a UFA in 2013.

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03-26-2012, 09:17 PM
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there are certain "perks" to playing in the NHL vs KHL as well. Better facilities, better hotels, planes that aren't 40 years old\don't crash and kill an entire team, better standard of living, etc. Just depends on if Rads places a monetary value on such considerations.
Those considerations are more of a factor for North Americans.

Generally speaking, better NHL "perks" aren't a big factor for individuals used to living without them, or have a non-North American/Western European worldview.

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Because of Russian politics, all the KHL saleries are tax excempt. The Russian National state wants to make KHL competitive to the NHL, and one of the ways are to make the salaries tax excempt to attract talent.

Salaries aren't tax exempt........they're just negotiated in terms of net pay. That's why people think they're tax free.


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03-26-2012, 09:40 PM
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then some GM will offer him the moon...
The only way a GM can do that is to offer sheet him. It's questionable whether any GM's would be brave enough to do so, given the large compensation required.

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03-26-2012, 09:49 PM
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Keep in mind Grabo just got 5.5 million per and Hemsky just got 5 million per. Rads won't be cheap.

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03-26-2012, 10:04 PM
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Keep in mind Grabo just got 5.5 million per and Hemsky just got 5 million per. Rads won't be cheap.
Keep in mind we just let Radulov eat up the last year of his contract for 8 games and he hasn't played in the NHL in 4 years; and he wasn't a dominant player last time he played in the NHL.

Hemsky and Garbo were also UFA, so those can't be used as comparables.

It will get interesting...

If he tears it up in the playoffs and we go to WCF or SCF, I'm sure we'll be more than happy to fork over some money. But he owes us a tremendous amount of good will right now.

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there are certain "perks" to playing in the NHL vs KHL as well. Better facilities, better hotels, planes that aren't 40 years old\don't crash and kill an entire team, better standard of living, etc. Just depends on if Rads places a monetary value on such considerations.


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Those considerations are more of a factor for North Americans.

Generally speaking, better NHL "perks" aren't a big factor for individuals used to living without them, or have a non-North American/Western European worldview.
Except for safe planes. Everybody likes a safe plane. Even people on continents that don't have much hockey like safe planes. 98 out of 100 Australians recently surveyed preferred safe planes.... the other two were missing in a single engine Cessna somewhere in the interior.

Maybe the better answer is most KHL charters are safe?

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There are some things Radulov can't escape [i.e. worse travel (and not just safety, but distance), worse facilities, lower quality of competition], but I would say his standard of living might be better in Russia. He is one of the biggest celebrities in the country. Still, if he cared that much about staying in Russia as a hockey god then why even come back at all? It isn't like he had to.
still funny stereotypes)

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Stereotypes? He's dealing in well-documented facts, here.

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still funny stereotypes)
I always enjoy when people bring up how "stereotypes" are being used as if there is a person or group in this world who is able to wander through life without ever once using them.

It isn't a stereotype to say that the facilities are better in the NHL cities than in the KHL cities. Just a couple of weeks ago Radulov himself was complaining about an hour-long stoppage in play during the play offs because of a flooding issue. Now, that is not to say this issue is a regular occurrence, or even an expected one, nor is it to say that the best facilities in the KHL are not as good as facilities in the NHL. Still, it is hardly a stereotype to say the league with more money has better facilities. That's like calling it a stereotype to say a rich person has a nicer car than an upper-middle class person.

The quality of competition is obviously lower in the KHL. That is not even up for dispute, so I will not argue my case.

Travel has to be worse, regardless of safety aspects. Let's not forget that we have airplane crashed in the USA, too. Distance traveled has to be taken into account. The closest team to Ufa within the Bobrov division is over 600 miles away. Two teams are over 1,000 miles away. In Nashville, the furthest divisional opponent is 537 miles away. I'm not sure how claiming that traveling shorter distances is a perk can be seen as a stereotype, but ok.

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Travel has to be worse, regardless of safety aspects. Let's not forget that we have airplane crashed in the USA, too. Distance traveled has to be taken into account. The closest team to Ufa within the Bobrov division is over 600 miles away. Two teams are over 1,000 miles away. In Nashville, the furthest divisional opponent is 537 miles away. I'm not sure how claiming that traveling shorter distances is a perk can be seen as a stereotype, but ok.
It should be said they roughly only play half the number of games in KHL though, so while they have to travel further, they don't have to travel as often.

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