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#76 Kings @ Canucks, 3/26/12 = LOSS 0-1 Thoughts & Tidbits ... too little too late.

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03-27-2012, 01:05 AM
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The Kings were credited with 38 shots, but how many of those would even be considered scoring chances?

If the kings had tried to create better scoring chances and failed, then you'd be saying "just shoot the puck". And now that they do out shoot their opponents, now you're saying "be more creative". It's the simple case of damned if you do, and damned if you don't. There's no pleasing guys like you other than to win every friggin game. Guys like you will always have the luxury of second guessing.

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03-27-2012, 01:06 AM
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Boy Dallas losing tonight was huge for the Pacific. If Dallas wins that game. They are looking pretty good.

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03-27-2012, 01:18 AM
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unable to complete passes means no sustained pressure. About our top 6:

Line 1
Williams was probably still sore from the last game. Brown was shying away from physical play the whole night, so I'm assuming he's nursing something.

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Richards has been off for the past 40 games. He has all these "yawn" plays, with lazy looking passes that result in giveaways and with the puck just rolling off his stick for no apparent reason. He handles the puck a lot, so I guess more turnovers are expected.

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03-27-2012, 01:18 AM
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If the kings had tried to create better scoring chances and failed, then you'd be saying "just shoot the puck". And now that they do out shoot their opponents, now you're saying "be more creative". It's the simple case of damned if you do, and damned if you don't. There's no pleasing guys like you other than to win every friggin game. Guys like you will always have the luxury of second guessing.
Ever heard of quality over quantity? That number on the shot column is insignificant is the shots are coming from the wall and outside the circles. I'd say that the zero on the goal column should explain that. We're not talking about creative scoring chances. We're talking about going to the danger areas and crashing the net hard. Get an ugly goal, pay the price, but nobody was willing to do that tonight.

The problem is that the Kings didn't even attempt to go to the danger areas. See that shot from Williams late in the game with the Kings on the PP? Nobody was within the vicinity of Luongo. He was uncontested on a good chunk of those 38 shots.

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03-27-2012, 01:25 AM
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Detroit, Nashville, San Jose, St. Louis, Boston, Vancouver.

I think some of you are losing sight over the fact that we've played 6 games of 7 vs. elite teams and won 4 of them (and we won vs the sucky team too).

Calm down. They have a 62% chance of making the playoffs with the loss from tonight already factored in.

This schedule was beyond brutal, and they managed to go 5-2-0. Now they're playing a string of games that are winnable and they'll obviously fare better. They need to go 4-2-0 vs. teams that they would typically have no trouble going 5-1 against. They can manage 8 points out of 6 games just fine.


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03-27-2012, 01:36 AM
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The position this team has put itself in leaves little room for error with six games remaining. There are only 12 points left to earn and the Kings need to earn more than 50% of those points. It isn't going to be easy. Possible, yes, probable, we don't know.

It is all dependent on which Kings team decides to show up. They are past the point of making excuses. If they're exhausted now and their tank is almost on empty, then they didn't prepare themselves to be in this position. It's nut up or shut up time.

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03-27-2012, 01:38 AM
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The position this team has put itself in leaves little room for error with six games remaining. There are only 12 points left to earn and the Kings need to earn more than 50% of those points. It isn't going to be easy. Possible, yes, probable, we don't know.

It is all dependent on which Kings team decides to show up. They are past the point of making excuses. If they're exhausted now and their tank is almost on empty, then they didn't prepare themselves to be in this position. It's nut up or shut up time.
People have been saying this for about Three months now. How is this new ?

Hell in Jan I thought it would be a Miracle, to be even close to a playoff spot with 6 games left.....

Miracle has happened.

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03-27-2012, 01:39 AM
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People have been saying this for about Three months now. How is this new ?

Hell in Jan I thought it would be a Miracle to be even close to a playoff spot with 6 games left.....

Miracle has happened.
It's not. People just just love to repeat the same ****.

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03-27-2012, 01:45 AM
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To me the offence thing is simple

We have a stud passer in Kopitar who opens up space, and we have a winger with speed with one of the best wrist shots in the NHL in Carter, put them on the same line. King moves up to sit in front of the net and win board battles. Why not put the two most skilled players together.

We have a mucker who gets the puck in the crease area in Richards, we have a net driver in Brown. Get them together, they did great early in the year together. Williams moves down as a jack of all trades guy, master of none. (no better option on the team at this point)

Next summer move out Williams for another speedy sniper. Williams, Bernier and a prospect like Hickey should fetch something nice.

I dont like Scuderi with Doughty. Doughty needs a two way guy with him. Its easier to break out when you have 5 guys that can be involved in an end to end then running 4 against 5 as Scuderi has no offense. I love the guy, but he should be with Greene as a shutdown pair and allowing greene to loose a little positioning when needed to take a big hit or punish.

Voynov is more of a rusher then Doughty. He has the extra gear to recover when needed, as well as the moves to elude the forecheckers, he just needs more seasoning, but will be a great little #3 or #4 and PP specialist.

Still games left, we need to play with more heart. We will make the playoffs.

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03-27-2012, 01:46 AM
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People have been saying this for about Three months now. How is this new ?

Hell in Jan I thought it would be a Miracle, to be even close to a playoff spot with 6 games left.....

Miracle has happened.
So what does that say about the team's level of performance over those three months? It seems to be the same inconsistent performance we've grown accustomed to.

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03-27-2012, 01:48 AM
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If I told you in January the pacific would look like this;

San Jose 88pts
Dallas 87
PHX 87
LA 86

People would have called me a Homer.

So it's a Miracle the Kings are even close....

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03-27-2012, 01:49 AM
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So what does that say about the team's level of performance over those three months? It seems to be the same inconsistent performance we've grown accustomed to.
Well the Kings dug themselves a hole early, That is not news.

The Kings may never win a Stanley Cup. This season so far has not been a good one for the Kings.

It is what it is.

In Jan I thought the Kings were done then, The fact they are in it at all is a bonus for me.

If you put Jan and Feb wins together , the Kings won a whopping 10 games...... That is awful, they have 8 wins already this month.

I would be Irate if I was a Sharks fan, That team should be killing the Pacific. Two games ago the Sharks fan's were calling the season over.....


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03-27-2012, 01:51 AM
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I think the Calgary game will decide if we go to the postseason or not.

I look at it this way.

Against Edmonton twice and Minnesota, I expect to win two out of those three.

Then there is a home and home with San Jose, and Wednesday's game against Calgary. If we get a split with San Jose, and win Wednesday's game, that leaves us with 94 points.

To me, if the Kings win Wednesday, they go to the playoffs. If they lose, they don't. Simple as that. Must win game.

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03-27-2012, 02:09 AM
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Believe it or not, but that was one of the better games the Canucks have played in a while.

Didn't like the Henrik flop.

Kings passing was terrible all night. Tons of turnovers and passes behind guys on the rush.

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03-27-2012, 02:23 AM
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I've had a long time to simmer down and think about the game tonight, what it means and what it doesn't, and, well, could only come up with this.

If, and I do mean if the playoffs aren't on the cards, I truthfully won't know how to describe it. Only words that come to mind are complete failure. The next four games are @CAL, @EDM, @MIN, EDM. I mean come on now. This team's entitled to nothing, but if they can't get up to play against those four teams, all hope is lost and faith in this group of players is gone, because it doesn't get much more desirable for a stretch run, other than to have those all at home (but you can't have everything). Can't make it in with THOSE four games on the schedule and heads should roll from top down all the way through playing staff.

But this team will make the playoffs. Because when they need to win is when they do and when they think they can get away with losing, that is what they do. Just like tonight, just like the Boston game. That's just how they play. It would surprise me if they lost more than 1 of those four games I mentioned. And if they make the playoffs, the same thing will apply in games where they get ahead with a big series lead on the cards. Then it will eventually catch up to them after making a 2-2 series out of what should have been a 3-1, and they will be golfing.

That is just...what they do, and the last few weeks have been a major eye-opener as to how they operate as a complete unit.

That's how I feel. Hopefully I'm not right.

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03-27-2012, 02:40 AM
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Now they're playing a string of games that are winnable.
THAT'S what I'm afraid of...


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03-27-2012, 02:51 AM
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Yea for christs sake I know everyone was upset about the loss...cause it wasn't like we were outplayed..it felt like the game was there for the taking...

But that game was NOT the season

We have VERY winnable games against Cal, Min and Edm....and a series against a beleaguered Sharks team that we are 2-1-1 against and mauled the last game we played agains them.

We are still in a good position to make the playoffs regardless of tonight.

Calgary, Colorado, Dallas have WAY tougher schedules then we do, and San Jose has their fate likely determined by the outcome of our home and home.

Take care of our business and that's all that matters. These next 4 games are extremely winnable. If we do that we can rest easy. If not, well frankly the team doesn't deserve to be in the top 8 anyways.

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It wasn't the season, but the last two games planted big seeds of doubt. Plus going straight from a winning streak to a losing patch dents the psyche of fans and team alike.

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03-27-2012, 03:16 AM
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To me the offence thing is simple

We have a stud passer in Kopitar who opens up space, and we have a winger with speed with one of the best wrist shots in the NHL in Carter, put them on the same line. King moves up to sit in front of the net and win board battles. Why not put the two most skilled players together.

We have a mucker who gets the puck in the crease area in Richards, we have a net driver in Brown. Get them together, they did great early in the year together. Williams moves down as a jack of all trades guy, master of none. (no better option on the team at this
I wouldn't mind seeing this. Switching Kopitar and Richards to see how Carter plays with Kopi and if Brown and Richards can get chemistry again. Though I know Sutter doesn't like to switch line combinations nearly as much as TM did.

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03-27-2012, 03:31 AM
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I realize Dwight King is a good grinder and all, but he belongs nowhere near the top 6. I'd rather try Nolan there. He's clearly more skilled than King. As soon as King touches the puck, he just throws it to a random area.

Justin Williams... good lord. He was downright terrible. How can you get to the red line and fail to dump the puck in every single time? How many errant passes can you toss to the other team?

Mike Richards... He made my eyes bleed.

I'd love to see our passing percentage for this game. It HAD to be around the 30% range.

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03-27-2012, 03:38 AM
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What is the deal with Doughty? More like Doughy if you ask me! But seriously, I remember seeing him live at the Olympics, he was the best skater on the ice most of the time, it was like he had rockets on his skates, but now he is sloooooow. Is it cause his conditioning is off on account of the holdout? If the Kings don't make the playoffs, I'd pin that 100% on Doughty holding out for that big contract.

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03-27-2012, 05:59 AM
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Every team in the nhl have their ups and downs, not just the kings. It's just that some of you guys just can't seem to handle the "down" part of the season too well.
Take a step back and read what you said. Ups and downs... For a team who filled with so much talent that they should barely be having so many downs , its pathetic as a fan you stand by a team for so long but never cuts it, they have too many downs and not too many ups. It shouldn't be like this hell if people are being frantic they have every reason to be. We had a big winning streak and this team just collapsed. Again

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03-27-2012, 07:33 AM
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Kings played fine. Game could have gone either way.

A lucky goal by the Canucks 4th line was the difference.
That's the way I saw it, too. Both teams were so tight defensively that nobody on either team had the puck on their stick for more than a second or two. The difference was the goal in the beginning which was a softie, but otherwise Quick played well. As far as going wild in the last minute of the game, that's what you do, but you also risk the opposing team grabbing the puck and going the other way when everyone is so tight to the net. You can't play like that during the regular part of the game because the concentration is on offense, with no regard to defense.

Nobody stood out for either team so complaining that this guy and that guy didn't do well is pointless.

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I'm not sure about the Kings but what I do know is that Ray Ferraro and Gord Miller must be the 2 worst commentators in the NHL. It's neck & neck with the Ducks commentators.

Good lord, they repeated the same stat and information about the Kings not being able to score all night long. I wonder if they listen to themselves after the games.
I thought they were great in their analyses and dead on. People rip on announcers who are homers yet Ferraro is straight up honest and tells it like it is. Guess what, Richards has had 3 goals in forever and hardly any SOG so it needs to be said. They know he's a better player offensively than that and that if he had a few more goals and a lot more shots, things would be different. I'll take that kind of commentary any day than having to listen to a home broadcast that barely knocks anyone on the home side. Comparing them to the Ducks' announcers is a joke, they are the complete opposite.

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Kings only have 2 goals in their last 3 games. Not liking that.

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