The question was whether or not they can bring him up at all. I take it the answer is yes.
Look at the SPC (page 244 of the CBA):
Quote:
The Club hereby employs the Player as a skilled hockey Player for the term of __ League
Year(s) commencing the later of July 1, 20__ or upon execution of this SPC and agrees, subject to the terms and conditions hereof, to pay the Player a salary of ________________ Dollars ($__________).
This seems to indicate that if Yogan signed his SPC with a date of July 1, 2012, that he would not be eligible to play under that SPC this season. The "later of" condition probably applies to sliding contracts for junior players. JT miller's contract probably had a July 1st, 2011 date, but the contract hasn't been "executed" yet.
Maybe there's another part of the CBA that covers this. I'm not sure.
All SPCs have to cover the current league year unless they're extensions which begin July 1 or its signing an unsigned pick or free agent signed between March 1-June 1 which sees the SPC start the following season. July 1. The league year begins on July 1 and it ends the following June 30. If the Rangers placed Yogan on their active roster,the SPC counts this season. Players with registered SPCs count on the active roster. The CBA allows the Rangers to sign Yogan in March but the SPC begins July 1. The later date is July 1. Kreider signs on April 6 and the SPC is regsitered with Kreider placed on the active roster. Later date is April 6.
The guy is an overage player in the OHL this season and didn't blow the doors off by any means. The knock on his game is that he has no defensive conscience and that he doesn't play as big as his body would allow (doesn't work the corners real well). He also is not very good at the dot. He was a man playing with boys this season. If you expect him to take Boyle's place, I think you are sorely mistaken. This kid either learns how to translate into a power forward left wing in three to four years or he doesn't make it from what I can tell. Unless he gets to Hartford and they totally transform the kind of player he is to be a defensive minded center iceman. I doubt it though.
Yogan = John Mitchell. Drafted in similar spot, almost identical size, Mitchell scored 75 pts last year in junior, Yogan scored 78.
That is a far more realistic comparison than Jason Arnott who was a 1st round pick and a very very good 1st line player in this league for a long time.
Yogan = John Mitchell. Drafted in similar spot, almost identical size, Mitchell scored 75 pts last year in junior, Yogan scored 78.
That is a far more realistic comparison than Jason Arnott who was a 1st round pick and a very very good 1st line player in this league for a long time.
Agreed, we have a tendency to overrate our own prospects here a great deal. He is no Brian Boyle, he is DEFINITELY no Jason Arnott. I could potentially see him developing his power forward game a lot more and becoming a 60 - 70 point winger if he gets significantly more disciplined and becomes willing to use that size more. That said though, honestly I'd be very surprised to see him make it in Torts' system. If he comes in next season and does well, I see him being trade bait at the deadline.
The guy is an overage player in the OHL this season and didn't blow the doors off by any means. The knock on his game is that he has no defensive conscience and that he doesn't play as big as his body would allow (doesn't work the corners real well). He also is not very good at the dot. He was a man playing with boys this season. If you expect him to take Boyle's place, I think you are sorely mistaken. This kid either learns how to translate into a power forward left wing in three to four years or he doesn't make it from what I can tell. Unless he gets to Hartford and they totally transform the kind of player he is to be a defensive minded center iceman. I doubt it though.
I remember another 4th rounder that went back to the OHL for his overage season and played well there.
It can happen. Let him play in Hartford for a couple seasons and let's see where he is then. 4th round selections don't usually make the NHL after their junior career is done. I'd like to see where his game is after going through a couple seasons in the AHL where the organization can watch him closely and can give him a plan to follow and how they want him to be used in our system.
If Brian Boyle can be molded from what he was in NY his first season to what he is now, Andrew Yogan can do it in the AHL and move up to the NHL. He just needs the drive and desire to do it.
Yogan = John Mitchell. Drafted in similar spot, almost identical size, Mitchell scored 75 pts last year in junior, Yogan scored 78.
That is a far more realistic comparison than Jason Arnott who was a 1st round pick and a very very good 1st line player in this league for a long time.
Yogan has higher potential than John Mitchell. He missed most of last season with a serious injury and got better and better as this season moved along. He was on a TERRIBLE team and still put up 40 goals. He was the Pete's offense. I still like the Brooks Laich comparison I made a while back. He will play wing in the pros and his style of goal scoring is still available at the higher levels. He is aggressive and has the size to impose his will when he wants to.
He should have gone higher than he did in the draft. People questioned his hockey sense and his ability to use his teammates appropriately. He has gotten better at that and he drives to the net. He has a goal scorers mentality. He gets the puck, and he takes it to the scoring areas. He will never be a playmaker.
It can happen. Let him play in Hartford for a couple seasons and let's see where he is then. 4th round selections don't usually make the NHL after their junior career is done. I'd like to see where his game is after going through a couple seasons in the AHL where the organization can watch him closely and can give him a plan to follow and how they want him to be used in our system.
If Brian Boyle can be molded from what he was in NY his first season to what he is now, Andrew Yogan can do it in the AHL and move up to the NHL. He just needs the drive and desire to do it.
I did say in my other post above, I see the potential to become a power winger in the NHL with 60 -70 point upside with his good hands and scoring ability. The only issue is that the knock on his game is his lack of defensive acumen and willingness to utilize his size and go hard into the corners. That will not work in Torts' system, so if he does succeed in the AHL, I see him being used as trade bait.
All SPCs have to cover the current league year unless they're extensions which begin July 1 or its signing an unsigned pick or free agent signed between March 1-June 1 which sees the SPC start the following season. July 1. The league year begins on July 1 and it ends the following June 30. If the Rangers placed Yogan on their active roster,the SPC counts this season. Players with registered SPCs count on the active roster. The CBA allows the Rangers to sign Yogan in March but the SPC begins July 1. The later date is July 1. Kreider signs on April 6 and the SPC is regsitered with Kreider placed on the active roster. Later date is April 6.
This still doesn't answer the question. I'll rephrase yet again. Can the Rangers leave Yogan off the active roster right now and then opt to add him to the active roster later?
This still doesn't answer the question. I'll rephrase yet again. Can the Rangers leave Yogan off the active roster right now and then opt to add him to the active roster later?
If the Rangers register the SPC for this season,yes. If they change their minds.
Wasn't this answered yesterday. This stuff is not that complicated.
If the Rangers register the SPC for this season,yes. If they change their minds.
Wasn't this answered yesterday. This stuff is not that complicated.
Only through inference. It isn't complicated, but what GAG posted, followed by what you posted... they seemed to contradict what we came to yesterday. To be totally honest with you, RB, your style in answering this sort of thing can be fairly ambiguous at times. It's not that you don't answer the question, but more that you don't answer it directly.
Basically, Yogan's contract is not officially registered with the league until July 1. If the Rangers feel they want or need him up with the club and they are still below the 50 contract limit, they can choose to register his contract now (provided he agrees, I would suppose), thereby burning the first year of his deal.
