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03-27-2012, 03:00 PM
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i want to see the raw data... then we can put those numbers up and scrutinize whether the results are due more to Roy abscence, Ruff magic wand, or newfound player self motivation ...

i just want to see the numbers...
Maybe I didn't read the previous back and forth well enough but what raw numbers are you looking for exactly?

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03-27-2012, 03:02 PM
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Eh, Mr. Invisible has 5 in his last 4, and he's playing injured. I wouldn't castigate him so.
Roy has played much of the season with a shoulder injury and he gets no such reprieve from his bashers.

He also didn't get to go on the 3rd line to get his offense going either.

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03-27-2012, 03:03 PM
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trade for a top 6 center? yes

trading for the sake of trading? hell no


also why is depth at any position always bad?

omg we have too many Dmen trade
omg we have a capable back up trade
omg we have some depth at LW trade
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depth = good


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trade for a top 6 center? yes

trading for the sake of trading? hell no


also why is depth at any position always?

omg we have too many Dmen trade
omg we have a capable back up trade
omg we have some depth at LW trade
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depth = good
Well said on all points.

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I just can't see us getting fair value for him. IMO we keep him and try to keep going what we have going now.

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Roy has played much of the season with a shoulder injury and he gets no such reprieve from his bashers.

He also didn't get to go on the 3rd line to get his offense going either.
Has that been reported, or is it a best guess? I don't remember reading it is all.


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Has that been reported, or is it a best guess? I don't remember reading it is all.


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He hurt it in the preseason and reaggravated it in that game at Carolina. But it's been, ahem, far less talked about than some other players' nicks, bumps, and bruises.

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03-27-2012, 03:11 PM
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Maybe I didn't read the previous back and forth well enough but what raw numbers are you looking for exactly?
I want to see :
Points per game (or per 60 minutes) when playing with Roy
Points per game (or per 60 minutes) when playing without Roy

for every game the Sabres have played over the 2010-2011 and 2011-2012 seasons

Simple as that

primarily i would like to see the numbers for wingers, more specifically Vanek, Pominville, Ennis, Stafford

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He hurt it in the preseason and reaggravated it in that game at Carolina. But it's been, ahem, far less talked about than some other players' nicks, bumps, and bruises.
I've got a feeling Vanek's injury was more significant than it appeared, but that's certainly something I didn't know regarding Roy.

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I want to see :
Points per game (or per 60 minutes) when playing with Roy
Points per game (or per 60 minutes) when playing without Roy

for every game the Sabres have played over the 2010-2011 and 2011-2012 seasons

Simple as that

primarily i would like to see the numbers for wingers, more specifically Vanek, Pominville, Ennis, Stafford
You'd be better off grouping by individual centers.

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03-27-2012, 03:14 PM
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Has that been reported, or is it a best guess? I don't remember reading it is all.


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http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sa...icle703157.ece

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Derek Roy has enough issues. The Buffalo Sabres' center has a balky shoulder that will likely keep him out of the lineup tonight in Toronto for the second straight game
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Roy has just eight goals and 16 assists this season and is out because he wrenched his shoulder on a faceoff with Carolina's Jussi Jokinen. Roy injured the same shoulder during training camp.

Roy skated in a non-contact role Monday and was able to shoot with no real difficulty.

"It happened in training camp, pretty much the same injury," Roy said. "The first time I was more nervous. The second time I knew what I was dealing with. ... I felt pretty good shooting. Just a couple battle drills feeling it a little bit. Now we know what we need to do to get it strengthened and work on it."

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03-27-2012, 03:14 PM
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We have, however, been winning while one of our more, um, highly-compensated forwards has been largely invisible. I wonder how many people think that forward "doesn't matter."
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Eh, Mr. Invisible has 5 in his last 4, and he's playing injured. I wouldn't castigate him so.
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Roy has played much of the season with a shoulder injury and he gets no such reprieve from his bashers.

He also didn't get to go on the 3rd line to get his offense going either.
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Has that been reported, or is it a best guess? I don't remember reading it is all.


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He hurt it in the preseason and reaggravated it in that game at Carolina. But it's been, ahem, far less talked about than some other players' nicks, bumps, and bruises.
Roy vs Vanek!!! haters unite!


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03-27-2012, 03:24 PM
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There is so many possibilities this offseason at the center position for the sabres. We have 4 high draft picks and roy all of which are in play for a big time trade for a center or to move up in the draft and grab one of the elite prospects. If you move up and grab a prospect we can keep roy for the year and bring him up for the 2013-2014 season.

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03-27-2012, 03:30 PM
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I've got a feeling Vanek's injury was more significant than it appeared, but that's certainly something I didn't know regarding Roy.
It is. Vanek has shoulder and neck issues. Its definately effecting his game. My point with Roy is he gets no quarter from a large portion of this fan base and the Buffalo media. When he struggles its like sharks smelling blood.


Vanek has struggled for quite a while but does't get the venom directed at him that Roy does. Thats because most cut him slack for his injuries.

Just pointing out the different treatment the two players get in similar situations.

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03-27-2012, 03:34 PM
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I want to see :
Points per game (or per 60 minutes) when playing with Roy
Points per game (or per 60 minutes) when playing without Roy

for every game the Sabres have played over the 2010-2011 and 2011-2012 seasons

Simple as that

primarily i would like to see the numbers for wingers, more specifically Vanek, Pominville, Ennis, Stafford
Simple as that is the exact opposite of what you're asking for. Thats a pretty involved project to fnd those numbers.

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03-27-2012, 03:36 PM
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Simple as that is the exact opposite of what you're asking for.
yea, i mean if it was simple i'd do it myself

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03-27-2012, 03:45 PM
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Roy + Leino = Existence beyond black hole of offense suction power.

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I've liked Roys game this past month. Been skating a lot faster than earlier in the season. I don't think hes going anywhere unless we get a really nice offer for him, which I don't see happening. Roy will not be dealt just for the sake of being dealt. Sorry to the majority of Sabres fans.

Anyone who thinks Roy has been horrible lately is just a Roy hater. If people should ***** about anyone lately its Vanek, coasting around like he doesn't care anymore and got sand in his ******.

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03-27-2012, 05:59 PM
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Ennis and Hodgson are still young. One is a rookie, the other a sophmore who just converted back to center. I'd expect both guys to trade the 2C and 3C title next year unless Regier decides to go the route of acquiring a legitimate, checking 3C, in which case they might be thrust into a bigger role.

Essentially, I see them moving Roy only in two scenarios:

1) They can get a 1A, 1B, or 2A veteran center back. (In the case of the 1B and 2A centers, it would be more of a change-of-scenery trade and for a culture change, rather than a considerable upgrade.)

2) They're so confident in Ennis and Hodgson, they get a premier 3C veteran in free agency and move Roy to shore up another need. (Less likely.)

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We finally have semblance of center depth with Ennis, Hodgson, and Roy. After the last 5 years I don't understand why people are so quick to want to get rid of that. If we trade Roy, I want an established NHL center back.

So I say keep Roy. If he has to be dealt at the deadline next year then so be it. But at least keep him until then. And maybe Adam or Sundher will show signs of being able to jump to the NHL level.
Came here to post this. Ennis-Hodgson-Roy is a nice little 1-2-3 punch. Plus, you want to have depth in case of injury (or slumpery). Keep him unless part of a package to upgrade at C

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Came here to post this. Ennis-Hodgson-Roy is a nice little 1-2-3 punch. Plus, you want to have depth in case of injury (or slumpery). Keep him unless part of a package to upgrade at C
Yep, and Roy has played pretty well of late. I'm at the point now where I wouldn't hate it if they kept Roy. I wouldn't hate it if they traded him either, but I'd definitely want a capable offensive center to replace him. This Pittsburgh style triple center threat stuff is great.

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03-27-2012, 11:26 PM
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Probably get traded to Chicago
For prospects and picks.
Hawks fan here BTW

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With the emergence of Ennis and Hodgson playing well, Roy would seem to be the odd man out.

But with Ruff using 3 scoring lines, do you think...

A) he's traded in the off-season (feel free to elaborate on possible destinations/returns)

B) he's kept for this season and dealt at next season's deadline (again feel free to elaborate on possible destinations/returns)

C) he's re-signed, either this upcoming off-season, during next season, or after next season.

D) he plays out next season here and signs elsewhere in the off-season.

Personally I think it might be B, where he's kept for next season and dealt at the deadline unless an extension is done. Could see him going to a team that has injuries to their forwards and is trying to make the playoffs, but a slight possibility he's dealt this off-season. Florida really needs second line scoring and there are very few good centers out there in FA this season, and if they get a 1-2-3 combo next year of Weiss-Roy-Bjugstad with Huberdeau in the AHL developing his skills and improving his frame, they'll be much more competitive.
Who cares, we have all summer to discuss this crap.

He might be traded with one or both of our 1st rounders for a top 3 overall pick.

Hanzal .

Keep him until the 2013TDL.

Sign him long term.

Let him walk in 2013.



He might have a very strong post season and revitalize his career.

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Probably get traded to Chicago
For prospects and picks.
Hawks fan here BTW
As long as those prospects include either Saad or McNeil and the rest would be negotiable.

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Came here to post this. Ennis-Hodgson-Roy is a nice little 1-2-3 punch. Plus, you want to have depth in case of injury (or slumpery). Keep him unless part of a package to upgrade at C
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