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03-29-2012, 11:48 AM
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Why was P.A. Parenteau discarded with such ease?

Did I miss something, but this guy really impressed me, last year.

Why in the lord's name would we get rid of him, while we sign guys like EC and acquire John Mitchell.

PAP has 65 points.

Richards has 61.

Yes, I realize he's benefiting from being on a line with Tavares, but still, the guy has a lot of skill.

What gives??

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03-29-2012, 11:50 AM
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Because he was a one dimensional player who was seeking an opportunity to become a big time player on a less competitive team.

He was a third liner here and, with Gaborik and Callahan on the right side, he was not a threat to advance any time in the near future. He just so happened to strike it rich.

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did i miss the memo on PAP appreciation week or something?

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Whenever the question comes up of whether to keep or get rid of a certain player, I ask myself one question:

Would the Red Wings want this guy?

For PAP, I'm pretty confident the answer would be a resounding "No."

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PAP has 65 points.
About 48 of them are against the Rangers

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Because he was a one dimensional player who was seeking an opportunity to become a big time player on a less competitive team.

He was a third liner here and, with Gaborik and Callahan on the right side, he was not a threat to advance any time in the near future. He just so happened to strike it rich.
I mean, I get that, but it just seems we did a poor job of talent evaluation, here. It's not like we're scoring 5 goals a game, and can just toss "one dimensional" players aside. I was always impressed with his game, and it just bothers me that he went to the Islanders and is now a star in the making.

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03-29-2012, 12:10 PM
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I mean, I get that, but it just seems we did a poor job of talent evaluation, here. It's not like we're scoring 5 goals a game, and can just toss "one dimensional" players aside. I was always impressed with his game, and it just bothers me that he went to the Islanders and is now a star in the making.
PAP was a AAAA player to use a baseball term. He's run hot with Tavares but there wasn't room for him to play here and certainly not room for him to get 1st PP time.

He's getting prime ice time on a terrible team, not the first guy to put up points in a spot like that. He's got decent not great speed, decent not great agility, strong puck control, above average vision and passing, and an ok shot. That's the same makeup as 2/3 of the AHL lifers who play top 6 minutes there. They don't get to play with two guys who can straight bury it like Tavares and Moulson so they don't have like 50 asssists right now like he does.

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03-29-2012, 12:13 PM
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PAP was a AAAA player to use a baseball term. He's run hot with Tavares but there wasn't room for him to play here and certainly not room for him to get 1st PP time.

He's getting prime ice time on a terrible team, not the first guy to put up points in a spot like that.
This doesn't change the fact that he's more effective than most of the players on this team. Period.

A terrible team? Dude look at our PP for most of the year... it's been disgusting.

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This doesn't change the fact that he's more effective than most of the players on this team. Period.

A terrible team? Dude look at our PP for most of the year... it's been disgusting.
yeah, but he wasn't when he played for us. he didn't get a legit chance like he has in Long Island, nor did we have anyone like Tavares to excavate his game. In fact, I would credit Tavares with PAP's PP success, and less so PAP. In the Rangers world of "woulda/coulda" letting PAP go is kinda low on my list.

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This doesn't change the fact that he's more effective than most of the players on this team. Period.

A terrible team? Dude look at our PP for most of the year... it's been disgusting.
Actually those factors specifically create a situation where he seems more effective. He's getting offensive zone start minutes, 1st PP minutes, linematching minutes against the other teams worst players. This stuff adds up.

Our PP being poor most of the year has nothing to do with their team being terrible. Also he plays on the half wall on the PP, our offense doesn't come from there unless Gaborik decides it does on his own and he wouldn't really help.

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03-29-2012, 12:24 PM
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As an Islanders fan I can tell you even though he got 51 points last year he wasn't that good. He vastly improved this year as a player. All that being said the only way I sign him if I am a team is if I could use somebody on the right hand boards for my PP. If you have somebody already in that role he will have alot less points.

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PAP on the Rangers was like Wolski... he had skill but was streaky on offense, he didn't backcheck or play well defensively, etc. During our "playoff" game against Philly in 2010, he took two bad penalties, one of which resulted in Philly tying the game, and that pretty much sealed his fate as a Ranger.

Parenteau can fit in fine on a team like the Islanders that doesn't really preach defensive responsibility. But on this current Rangers squad? Forget about it. Some players are just not built for this type of team.

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03-29-2012, 12:29 PM
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He's leeching off of JT and MM. One is an excellent passer, the other one is consistently a 30 goal scorer. PAP just needs to skate with his stick on the ice, and with those two, really not do anything else.

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He's leeching off of JT and MM. One is an excellent passer, the other one is consistently a 30 goal scorer. PAP just needs to skate with his stick on the ice, and with those two, really not do anything else.
I would make that argument last season but this season he has generated many goals himself with some good passes

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03-29-2012, 12:35 PM
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I would make that argument last season but this season he has generated many goals himself with some good passes
Helps that JT and MM both know how to put the puck in the net.

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I still don't even think he's that good..

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He was pretty terrible away from the puck with the Rangers and with the Islanders in his first year.

I get the feeling he's still pretty bad away from the puck but might have improved some there

But he feels like the kind of player Tortorella would bench because he's not paying enough attention to the details that have made the Rangers one of the elite teams in the league

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Some team is going to give him big money this offseason and then regret it. He won't duplicate those numbers anywhere else because he won't get the same opportunities and more will be expected of him in other areas of the game.

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03-29-2012, 12:48 PM
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I mean, I get that, but it just seems we did a poor job of talent evaluation, here. It's not like we're scoring 5 goals a game, and can just toss "one dimensional" players aside. I was always impressed with his game, and it just bothers me that he went to the Islanders and is now a star in the making.
Sometimes that happens. PA is not as good as Gaborik or Callahan, and as such would never get the quality minutes here he does with NYI.

Its not like we coughed up Matt Moulson who would be a perfect fit for this team's needs , like the LA Kings did. We legitimately gave him several chances and he didn't come through.

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Guy was in Hartford for 3 or so years, Its not like the Rangers missed the boat on this guy, for all the upside the guy has, he has never really addressed the deficiencies in his other aspects of the game. If he was still with the Rangers he would likely be on the 3rd line not producing and getting torched by fans for his lack of defensive game.

While the guy has awesome offensive acumen, he is playing with 2 guys who make guys even better.

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Parenteau was a guy who needed a lot of minutes and a lot of time on a top line to develop his offensive skills and live up to his potential. He wasn't going to get that here, he got that on the Island, and props to him for taking advantage of it and turning into a very solid player.

That being said, I'm not upset we let him go. He would not have seen his full potential here.u

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He was pretty terrible away from the puck with the Rangers and with the Islanders in his first year.
The biggest thing that annoyed me last season was he made alot of bonehead plays(either terrible passes or missing easy opportunities), he's greatly reduced on those this year. As Mr Hockey above pointed out he definitely needed alot of time to work some kinks out of his game. All that being said I still stand on my comments that the only teams that should be remotely interested in PAP are teams that have strong centers and looking for complimentary wingers, and need a guy for the PP on the right hand side. I think it's a case you can't fit a square peg into a round hole and expect him to be as productive.

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I bet I would have 65 pts if I got to play with Tavares. Forget PAP, how do we steal Tavares from the Isles? Would make a much more "spirited" thread imo

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Some team is going to give him big money this offseason and then regret it. He won't duplicate those numbers anywhere else because he won't get the same opportunities and more will be expected of him in other areas of the game.
Some Team = Buffalo

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