Don't be too hard on the kid, the team's record when he's playing speaks for itself: 6-W 4-L 4-O, i.e. 1.14 points per game. So if he had played here the entire season we'd be at 88 points right now (93-94 points over 82 games) and in currently a playoff spot...
(don't look at last year's stats though )
No this years PPG is 0.214 and are you really attributing wins and losses on whether Omark is playing. The guy is a non-factor in most games, 3 g in 14 gp tells the story.
No this years PPG is 0.214 and are you really attributing wins and losses on whether Omark is playing. The guy is a non-factor in most games, 3 g in 14 gp tells the story.
Pretty sure Lagu was joking with that. A wee bit tongue in cheek.
I know Omark fans don't like it because he lacks the GP's. When people look back at a players career it is the first stat (total pts.) they look at. No per 60's, no EV or PP numbers, no corsi numbers...just points.
Omark has superior AHL numbers per game. Yes he has less overall games and points, because he's a Euro, and played majority of his career in Sweden. Now in Sweden Schremp isn't bad, but he isn't elite like Omark was. Your argument is stupid.
You can dislike Omark and say that he sucks, your buisness. But writing some stupid stuff doesn't help your argument at all.
Petrell and Hartikainen being examples of players that make an immediate impact and deliver the physical play and hits that the team requires. One could say that on the Boston Bruins these players may not make much of an impact but they do here.
With Omark its that even with an injury reduced squad he's having trouble defining himself. He played one good game, but has done little with his time since. The thing with Omark is if he's not producing theres very little else of use that he's doing on the ice. The GA are still there, the fish out of water own zone freezing is still there, and the player just doesn't contribute to his team here being competitive. When he's not on, he's bringing nothing. Petrell and Harti are bringing what they need to every game.
Petrell and Hartikainen are both mediocre grinders at this points and their upside is not much higher. Omark, when confiedent and on his game can be great. Now confiedence is gone, and Oilers are partially to blame.
Omark has superior AHL numbers per game. Yes he has less overall games and points, because he's a Euro, and played majority of his career in Sweden. Now in Sweden Schremp isn't bad, but he isn't elite like Omark was. Your argument is stupid.
You can dislike Omark and say that he sucks, your buisness. But writing some stupid stuff doesn't help your argument at all.
Schremp's SEL numbers arent a whole lot different than superstud Omark's best SEL year...just sayin
Petrell and Hartikainen are both mediocre grinders at this points and their upside is not much higher. Omark, when confiedent and on his game can be great. Now confiedence is gone, and Oilers are partially to blame.
Petrell and Hartikainen are both mediocre grinders at this points and their upside is not much higher. Omark, when confiedent and on his game can be great. Now confiedence is gone, and Oilers are partially to blame.
Petrell and Hartikainen are both mediocre grinders at this points and their upside is not much higher. Omark, when confiedent and on his game can be great. Now confiedence is gone, and Oilers are partially to blame.
Omark the great. The Next Forsberg. I keep forgetting..
Heres a depressing aspect for you. Petrell and Hartikainen are way more useful to this club than Omark has been. Due to willingness and ability to adopt to roles. This is the NHL, the top league in hockey, and grinders are actually required. Negligible producers that don't play an allround game are negligible value and are basically schooled at this level.
Plus lets be honest here.
Some of the same faction that is now blaming the Oilers for Omarks fall from grace didn't like the fact the Oilers had his rights in the first place and made that abundantly clear from the outset. From the word go with some of you posters its been a bad case of confirmation bias. You're seeing what you want to see and concluding what you concluded two years ago. If not before that.
I actually agree with a lot of the pro-Omark jazz....
I don't know what the "politic" was that sent Omark down in the first place...but he looked absolutely dominant at times last year...
the one complaint I have about him is that he's slow and seems to be out of gas a lot of the time....he really needs to get some offseason training in to give him a step and some stamina....all that aside, Tambs and Renney really threw this guy in the garbage can after a fairly impressive first season.
I will now make crazy accusations that he put in a ******** offseason and they called him on it...
Schremp's SEL numbers arent a whole lot different than superstud Omark's best SEL year...just sayin
41 in 55 vs 55 in 53. Yeah, aren't whole a lot different.
I'm not even saying Schremp is bad. But let's wait for him to accomplish smth. what Omark did. Like lead his SEL team in scoring and be TOP 5 SEL scorer. Or like become an impact player for Team USA.
Hartikainen isn't a bad player at all. He is useful, and he aswell as Petrell(Hartikainen's ceiling is obviously higher than Petrell's) have easier time finding NHL job than Linus, simply because their skillsets are different.
But there's absolutely no doubt that Omark is much more talented with the puck.
Hartikainen isn't a bad player at all. He is useful, and he aswell as Petrell(Hartikainen's ceiling is obviously higher than Petrell's) have easier time finding NHL job than Linus, simply because their skillsets are different.
But there's absolutely no doubt that Omark is much more talented with the puck.
And there's no doubt that Omark isn't as good as people aka the pro Omark crowd make him out to be.
Omark the great. The Next Forsberg. I keep forgetting..
Heres a depressing aspect for you. Petrell and Hartikainen are way more useful to this club than Omark has been. Due to willingness and ability to adopt to roles. This is the NHL, the top league in hockey, and grinders are actually required. Negligible producers that don't play an allround game are negligible value and are basically schooled at this level.
Plus lets be honest here.
Some of the same faction that is now blaming the Oilers for Omarks fall from grace didn't like the fact the Oilers had his rights in the first place and made that abundantly clear from the outset. From the word go with some of you posters its been a bad case of confirmation bias. You're seeing what you want to see and concluding what you concluded two years ago. If not before that.
Such crystal ball perfection.
I can easily understand that Petrell with his size and grit is more useful on 4th line than Omark. I think that Omark can make it somewhere though, just needs his confidence back. And well, in terms of confidence Oilers mishandled him. Renney's system just doesn't have place for Omark-like players, unless they score at PPG level.
P.S. The discussion is really old. I don't believe that Omark will make it in Oilers, at least with current coaching stuff. You probably agree with that.
And next Forsberg? Who told you so? Some crazy Lulea fan?
41 in 55 vs 55 in 53. Yeah, aren't whole a lot different.
I'm not even saying Schremp is bad. But let's wait for him to accomplish smth. what Omark did. Like lead his SEL team in scoring and be TOP 5 SEL scorer. Or like become an impact player for Team USA.
Not to mention the fact that Schremp on his team has got first line minutes and the top forwards on his team. While Omark played with Harju (who priour to that wasnt great and havnt been as great afterwards) and Lander (who is a gritty guy).
Omark carried his line at a younger age than Schremp and have a whole lot better points to show for it aswell.
If you think Omark sucks and dont want him on the oilers, im fine with that. Im sure he can find succes in some other team. Comparing him to Schremp thou is just to excuss a piss poor organisaion who always fail at developing players.
Maybe you feel Hartikainen who got benched this year in AHL for lack of trying and Patrell is a whole lot of usefullness. Maybe you think they would have a spot in any other team in the entire nhl?
If so, maybe you want to use this door you seem very found off?
Harti is a prospect, petrell is just here cause its the oilers.. go away
Because you refuse to see oilers for what they really are?
You arent making the playoff this year pall.. it aint like the grinders of edmonton are doing their part. It aint like anyone is doing their part.
If you think Petrell and Hartikainen is the answer to anything more than just more mediocricity.. you are not the brain trust fund off the world.
Still much better overall player than Petrell. And better than some guys on Oilers roster aswell.
So Omark is better than Petrell and the role he plays?? Absolutely not! Petrell is a fourth line grinder/hitter/PK specialist. Omark has none of those attributes, period.
Omark is a better offensive player for sure, but no way in hell is he more useful on this team than Petrell has been (for the role he plays). Omark can't crack our top six due to not being good enough(or better than who we have). He's not defensively sound enough, nor gritty enough to play the bottom six effectively.
Unfortunately he's a one dimensional player. There's nothing wrong with that, but it will limit his options no matter where he goes in the NHL. I like the guy, but he's facing an uphill battle no matter what.
No this years PPG is 0.214 and are you really attributing wins and losses on whether Omark is playing. The guy is a non-factor in most games, 3 g in 14 gp tells the story.
1. It was obviously a joke but to be sure I'll post a tripple next time .
2. The points per game I was referring to (it's still a joke though!!!) was how many points the team got per game played (i.e. 0 for a loss, 2 for a win and 1 for an over-time loss).
Not to mention the fact that Schremp on his team has got first line minutes and the top forwards on his team. While Omark played with Harju (who priour to that wasnt great and havnt been as great afterwards) and Lander (who is a gritty guy).
Omark carried his line at a younger age than Schremp and have a whole lot better points to show for it aswell.
If you think Omark sucks and dont want him on the oilers, im fine with that. Im sure he can find succes in some other team. Comparing him to Schremp thou is just to excuss a piss poor organisaion who always fail at developing players.
What, Omark played with Lander in the SEL? Even though Lander at the time was a rookie on another team?...
The line you're referring to was Lavander-Harju-Omark, and, excuse the comparision, but Harju-Omark was the RNH-Ebs and Lavander was the Jones (although Lavander is bigger and was a good infront-of-the-net goal scorer). It's dubbed as one of Lulea's super-lines along with Orszagh-Renberg-Nordquist and Holmström-Hurtig-Rosén (Holmstrom with 97 kgs was the smallest player in that last line...).
Otherwise you basically had me, until that last line...
Schremp's SEL numbers arent a whole lot different than superstud Omark's best SEL year...just sayin
Omark: 55 points in 53 games
Schremp: 41 points* in 55 games
* One thing to note here is that the shootout was brought back to the SEL after Omark left the league, and that a game-winning shootout goal will count as a regular goal. Also, the same player is allowed to shoot two, three or (hypothetically) ten times in a row.
I can't find any stats for game-winning goals in shootouts, but Schremp has a total of 8 game-winners, so I'm pretty sure a few of those were shootout-related.
While the YouTube Sensation himself, contrary to popular belief, never got to experience a shootout in the SEL.
I can easily understand that Petrell with his size and grit is more useful on 4th line than Omark. I think that Omark can make it somewhere though, just needs his confidence back. And well, in terms of confidence Oilers mishandled him. Renney's system just doesn't have place for Omark-like players, unless they score at PPG level.
P.S. The discussion is really old. I don't believe that Omark will make it in Oilers, at least with current coaching stuff. You probably agree with that.
And next Forsberg? Who told you so? Some crazy Lulea fan?
Thanks for the more reasonable post. If it seems like people are piling on its because we've heard all the crazy bat **** here incessantly. From the word go many Omark supporters wondering why Hall and Eberle were getting preferential minutes, billing, and greater consideration by the team. The Forsberg comment has been made several times. I think maybe by Lulea fans, I wouldn't really know.
As far as the bolded I still don't agree. If you replaced "Renney" with "The NHL" I think its a more accurate depiction of how the very competitive NHL game tends to select against a low reward/high risk player.
You simply can't have a paltry 30 pts stretched across 2 seasons in 65GP and also happen to be -21. This is something that approaches Patrick O'Sullivan numbers when he had his disastrous season here. But even Patrick had 10goals in that miserable year and hit another 10 goalposts that season. It was really bad, but also bad luck.
Those kind of numbers don't make anything resembling a solid contribution to an NHL team. In short they contribute to losing.
Omark had a horrendous GA last year and this was a key part of the game he needed to work on. This year, albeit in limited sample, he's been on ice for (EV) 3GF and 8GA. His EV GAON is a putrid 3/60mins.
I'm never going to deny that Omark is incredibly creative with the puck on his stick. The problem is that he looks like he's skating in quicksand which makes stealing the puck and playing sound positionally (ie. defensive side of the puck and covering an opposing player) pretty difficult.
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Absolutely not! Petrell is a fourth line grinder/hitter/PK specialist. Omark has none of those attributes, period.
