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03-29-2012, 12:32 PM
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Anyone else love Leaf fans? By reading 2 pages of comments Rick Nash is now overrated lol. At the deadline he was the savior of this team!! Now hes overrated lol. Only in Toronto

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Question for you guys. Would you do it if they made it the leafs first in 2013 with the other 2 pieces mentioned? The leafs would have to send one of it's bad contracts their way for sure to make it plausible though. So say the package was Kadri, Gardiner, Connolly and TO 2013 1st for Nash. Would leafs fans be more inclined to make the trade?
No. Gardiner is the dealbreaker, as he was at the deadline.


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Anyone else love Leaf fans? By reading 2 pages of comments Rick Nash is now overrated lol. At the deadline he was the savior of this team!! Now hes overrated lol. Only in Toronto
So you think the original post is fair value? A 7th pick, a top 5 pick and a top defensive prospect, that seems fair value to you?

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I think Galchenyuk will be better than Nash so I wouldn't do the deal even if Gardiner was removed.

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If we sign Schultz, are people okay with this deal? Would Schultz make Gardiner expendable? I wouldn't do this. But I bet the price lowers over the off-season.
This idea is such a huge facepalm moment. Schultz will sign here because of Gardiner. Trading away Gardiner pretty much ends the chances of Schultz re-signing here. What'sthe point?

I wouldn't do this trade. Nash should just request a trade to Toronto.

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Question for you guys. Would you do it if they made it the leafs first in 2013 with the other 2 pieces mentioned? The leafs would have to send one of it's bad contracts their way for sure to make it plausible though. So say the package was Kadri, Gardiner, Connolly and TO 2013 1st for Nash. Would leafs fans be more inclined to make the trade?
i might do that ... ONLY if the pick is lottery protected

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Teams would have known that even if the Public didn't.
It doesn't matter. Nash went to Columbus privately about the issue. At best, teams would've negotiated based on speculation but now they know for a fact that Nash wants out. Between your fellow GMs knowing that you have a quality player that needs to be traded because he doesn't want to be there and that quality player having a no trade clause in effect, I see Columbus holding very little power in the situation.

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Question for you guys. Would you do it if they made it the leafs first in 2013 with the other 2 pieces mentioned? The leafs would have to send one of it's bad contracts their way for sure to make it plausible though. So say the package was Kadri, Gardiner, Connolly and TO 2013 1st for Nash. Would leafs fans be more inclined to make the trade?
Take out Gardiner for Franson, Kadri for Ashton/Colborne, and I would consider it.

There currently is no other player in the entire organization with Kadri's skill-set to look forward to. Its not a matter of trading this guys point totals for another guy's point totals, you can't say "Kadri will never be a 40G PWF." That's not the point, you must look at players as pieces to a team. Without Kadri, there is no one else to replace him with those hands and vision to go with that edge he plays with.

The way I see it, is the upgrade from Lupul to Nash, taking salary into account, worth all that? That's how it must be looked at. And when considering this team's strengths/weaknesses, its an easy no from me.

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03-29-2012, 12:38 PM
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Burke will definitely be offering the 1st +, but our selection will be high enough to not warrant Gardiner.

If I had to guess: 2012 1st + Kadri + Reimer + Schenn

God only knows who will be centering Nash.

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Question for you guys. Would you do it if they made it the leafs first in 2013 with the other 2 pieces mentioned? The leafs would have to send one of it's bad contracts their way for sure to make it plausible though. So say the package was Kadri, Gardiner, Connolly and TO 2013 1st for Nash. Would leafs fans be more inclined to make the trade?
unlike what most people think, Connolly's contract isn't untradeable nor is it restricting the team.

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Assuming we finish with a lottery pick, a straight swap of 1st for Nash is almost fair. Toronto would need to throw in something, but not a Gardiner/Kadri. More likely a NHL roster player.

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Since then the Leaf's first has skyrocketed in value and they've struggled even more, so given the direction things have gone, I doubt Burke pays the higher price at the draft than when the deal would have had a bigger immediate impact at the deadline.

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Burke will definitely be offering the 1st +, but our selection will be high enough to not warrant Gardiner.

If I had to guess: 2012 1st + Kadri + Reimer + Schenn

God only knows who will be centering Nash.
I think Burke is sick and tired of trying to find a No #1 Centre through the trade route. He's been personally scouting OHL games recently so that means that unless they get "a too good to pass up" kind of deal then he's without question keeping the pick.

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While exploring moving Kadri doesn't bother me, I do not feel that Rick Nash is worth that price, especially considering his contract terms.

It's clear that Jake Gardiner has a very bright future ahead of him. With more ice time and maturity he could develop into a top 10 defenseman.

A top 5 pick is a hard thing to move also. Rick Nash would bring another element to this team, but it still wouldn't solve our #1C, #1 D or goalie problems.

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unlike what most people think, Connolly's contract isn't untradeable nor is it restricting the team.
And you know this how?

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While exploring moving Kadri doesn't bother me, I do not feel that Rick Nash is worth that price, especially considering his contract terms.

It's clear that Jake Gardiner has a very bright future ahead of him. With more ice time and maturity he could develop into a top 10 defenseman.

A top 5 pick is a hard thing to move also. Rick Nash would bring another element to this team, but it still wouldn't solve our #1C, #1 D or goalie problems.
That pick wouldn't have been top 5 at the time though, would've been a bubble lottery pick. Take Gardiner out of that deal though, maybe Burke makes it, and then who knows how badly it comes back to bite him. Personally I doubt Nash would've prevented our collapse, so in this case it's probably for the best Burke didn't do it.

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Anyone else love Leaf fans? By reading 2 pages of comments Rick Nash is now overrated lol. At the deadline he was the savior of this team!! Now hes overrated lol. Only in Toronto
Your completely missing the point. No one is saying he's overrated. His value is being measured by what has to be given in order to acquire him. The package speculated in this thread is a very steep price to play for Nash. No, that doesn't mean that he's all of a sudden overrated and that no one cares or wants him on the team, it simply means that the Leafs aren't in a position to make that kind of a deal and if that's what it would take to get him, then we're better off keeping what we have and leave Nash to Columbus or some other team. For a team that's in the Leafs position, very few players in the league are worth giving up that kind of youthful potential - many here just seem to agree that Nash is not one of those players.

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Columbus can get bent.

How about Lupul, Schenn, Kadri and Percy for Nash and their 2012 first?

O, u no lyk dat Howson?

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Is Howson out of his mind?!

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No one is saying he's overrated.
He is overrated.

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I think Burke is sick and tired of trying to find a No #1 Centre through the trade route. He's been personally scouting OHL games recently so that means that unless they get "a too good to pass up" kind of deal then he's without question keeping the pick.
Issue with that is, whoever they draft won't have an immediate impact as our #1. I believe Burkes job is on the line and missing the playoffs in 2013 will result in his dismissal.

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And you know this how?
because I pay attention to other teams, unlike you.

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That pick wouldn't have been top 5 at the time though, would've been a bubble lottery pick. Take Gardiner out of that deal though, maybe Burke makes it, and then who knows how badly it comes back to bite him. Personally I doubt Nash would've prevented our collapse, so in this case it's probably for the best Burke didn't do it.
Howson is going to be dealing from a position of weakness now that Nash said he wants out. Don't think it's in Nash's character, but he could decide to be a holdout until he is traded. Then Howson would be forced to move him for cheaper.

One way or another, Nash's days in Columbus are numbered.

Burke I think in time will trade Kadri, and I don't think there is a spot for him on our top 6, where he needs to play. Because he needs ice time.

Maybe Burke would consider Franson, Blacker, Percy, Gunnarson or Holzer instead? Still I don't think one of those defenseman plus Kadri would be enough for Nash.

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because I pay attention to other teams, unlike you.
You're such a goon. Show me all the unproductive, old $4.5 million centermen that were moved this season. Oh right, didn't happen.

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If the Blue Jackets are willing to swap picks + Nash in a much larger deal, I wouldn't be against moving a huge package that includes Gardiner.

Walking out of the draft with Yakupov/Grigorenko and Nash would be phenomenal.

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