trade him to columbus or islanders where he belongs to.
hudler vs garbage:
vs team, games, goals
vs. Buffalo 2 0
vs. Calgary 4 2
vs. Edmonton 4 1
vs. Carolina 1 1
vs. Los Angeles 4 1
vs. Dallas 4 4 1
vs. Montreal 1 2
vs. NY Islanders 1 0
vs. Ottawa 1 1
vs. Colorado 4 2
vs. Tampa Bay 1 0
vs. Toronto 1 1
vs. Phoenix 4 1
vs. Anaheim 4 0
vs. Columbus 5 1
vs. Minnesota 3 1
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0,3 goals per game
hudler vs top teams:
vs team, games, goals
vs. Boston 1 0
vs. Chicago 5 0
vs. NY Rangers 1 0
vs. Philadelphia 2 0
vs. Pittsburgh 1 0
vs. San Jose 4 0
vs. St. Louis 5 2
vs. Vancouver 4 1
vs. Washington 2 0
vs. Nashville 5 0
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29 games - 3 goals = 0,1 goals per game (+/- -7)
hudler a pure goal scorer?
maybe vs weak opponents in the league. he is quite useless vs playoff teams we might face.
and next to that hudler gets separated from the puck like a girl scout. he looks so weak out there. he doesnt contribute teamwork. all he do is putting a puck into the net after a magic pass by zetetrberg. and this only vs weak teams.
i dont know whats worse. his non physical game or his slow speed. but in this two skill contests he is by far the leader in the nhl. (speed maybe equal to holmstrom).
i cant wait until he joins osgood or go somewhere else. i heard radulovs spot in the khl is still vacant.
That's a very interesting breakdown, thanks for the splits. On your list of garbage teams he does however have goals against Dallas and Ottawa which are playoff teams, and Colorado and LA which are 1 pt out of the playoffs right now. These teams all have more pts than the Caps which are listed as a "top team" which this year they have been pretty crappy.
That's a very interesting breakdown, thanks for the splits. On your list of garbage teams he does however have goals against Dallas and Ottawa which are playoff teams, and Colorado and LA which are 1 pt out of the playoffs right now. These teams all have more pts than the Caps which are listed as a "top team" which this year they have been pretty crappy.
i took into consideration the spots when they faced the team and the condition of the team.
washington (wings lost 7-1)was pretty good at the beginning of the season and in playoff shape for sure.
dallas and L.A.(LA only in the last game) wasnt in playoff shape when we faced them.
ottawa was the last team until mid of october with only 1 point. we faced them in the first game. they were not in playoff shape.
so its pretty fair to say the upper teams was the weak ones and the lower ones were the strong ones.
and there is no need to pimp up hudlers stats with shuffling teams around because its very obvious that he fails vs good teams. i guess he will fail in the playoffs as well. he may score a goal or 2 in the first round. but thats it.
it's pretty simple. He's a scorer who only scores a hair more than .5 points per game over his career.
Cant use him on a checking line, cant use him on an energy line. If he isn't scoring he isn't useful. So the question is how much do you pay a guy like that? If you have a guy like Nyquist who will make a lot less you let Jiri walk and use that money to upgrade elsewhere. Some idiot GM will overpay him
it's pretty simple. He's a scorer who only scores a hair more than .5 points per game over his career.
Cant use him on a checking line, cant use him on an energy line. If he isn't scoring he isn't useful. So the question is how much do you pay a guy like that? If you have a guy like Nyquist who will make a lot less you let Jiri walk and use that money to upgrade elsewhere. Some idiot GM will overpay him
Pretty much this.
I'm glad Hudler is on the team now, and think he's had a nice year, but I doubt he's brought back.
If someone wants to give him a Leino deal he can walk or if an upgrade is available (Parise) he can walk.
Other than that I'd welcome him back at like 3m for like 2-3 years.
This. If some idiot GM offers him $4 million AAV, let him walk. KH can't spend that much cap space on a small guy like him when there are better UFA forwards available.
i took into consideration the spots when they faced the team and the condition of the team.
washington (wings lost 7-1)was pretty good at the beginning of the season and in playoff shape for sure.
dallas and L.A.(LA only in the last game) wasnt in playoff shape when we faced them.
ottawa was the last team until mid of october with only 1 point. we faced them in the first game. they were not in playoff shape.
so its pretty fair to say the upper teams was the weak ones and the lower ones were the strong ones.
and there is no need to pimp up hudlers stats with shuffling teams around because its very obvious that he fails vs good teams. i guess he will fail in the playoffs as well. he may score a goal or 2 in the first round. but thats it.
Ah ok if you are talking about the teams standings at the time we played them, then in that context I see how it makes sense.
final analysis for Hudler? Contract year therefore he's motivated. Wait till he has some job security and big money he'll resort back to his old ways. Every contract year we see more of Hudler's potential, itr's when he's complacent that we see the real Hudler. Let him walk
Where's eva? I've been waiting for him to chime in about how Hudler is an 80-point forward if used correctly.
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final analysis for Hudler? Contract year therefore he's motivated. Wait till he has some job security and big money he'll resort back to his old ways. Every contract year we see more of Hudler's potential, itr's when he's complacent that we see the real Hudler. Let him walk
LOL did I fall asleep for 15 years while Hudler accumulated a significant amount of contract years and lazy seasons? We're going off of such a small sample size this comment can be regarded as nothing but personal bias or ignorance. The guy was a young kid working his way up, scoring more every year. He went to Russia for a season. He came back, looked rusty, and now he doesn't. Where you're getting your idea from I have no clue.
I think the fact that Hudler has nearly reached his career high in points speaks volumes for this season. Individual player stats are down league wide. There are so many high profile players that are not nearing their career highs.
Add in to the fact that Hudler has strengthened (granted he still gets pushed around) and learned how to drive the net and cause problems I'd say he is a better overall player today than 08/09 and his points are right close to that level as well.
NHL teams rarely have more than a few 20-goal scorers. It would be a shame to lose one because he's small or because you want to make room for a rookie. If Holland needs to drop Hudler for cap space that's another story.
LOL did I fall asleep for 15 years while Hudler accumulated a significant amount of contract years and lazy seasons? We're going off of such a small sample size this comment can be regarded as nothing but personal bias or ignorance. The guy was a young kid working his way up, scoring more every year. He went to Russia for a season. He came back, looked rusty, and now he doesn't. Where you're getting your idea from I have no clue.
Look at his career thus far, he hasn't really lit it up and his best seasons have all come at contract years. Hudler is replaceable, Nyquist is more than capable of filling his spot, spend the money elsewhere
Look at his career thus far, he hasn't really lit it up and his best seasons have all come at contract years. Hudler is replaceable, Nyquist is more than capable of filling his spot, spend the money elsewhere
Hudler could be replaceable, but losing anybody for nothing is bad asset management. Period. He has value and we should always sign every value to extension. I defnitely want to keep him, and then maybe trade later if we want to make the team better.
We have all the money sign both Parise and Hudler if we want.
Look at his career thus far, he hasn't really lit it up and his best seasons have all come at contract years. Hudler is replaceable, Nyquist is more than capable of filling his spot, spend the money elsewhere
Isn't it ironic his best seasons are all contracts year. If that's not a red flag nothing is
Look at his career thus far, he hasn't really lit it up and his best seasons have all come at contract years. Hudler is replaceable, Nyquist is more than capable of filling his spot, spend the money elsewhere
Look at his career thus far? OK, let's...
His first "contract year" was his first year up. He scored 25 points in 76 games and got a two year deal from it worth a mil a year. He went on to score 42 in the first year of that deal. That's not something a lazy player would do, that's something a player who is getting better does. Then 57 in the second. Is that 57 really working for a better deal with the intent of lazing around afterward, or is it a player who is progressing? An arbitrator gives him his current deal and he goes to Russia. He comes back and plays rusty (or lazy if you're suspicious of everything) and then plays better the next year when the rust has worn off (or when he wants a good contract). Is this really enough to label the guy? You don't think you're reaching at all? Besides, look at how he played last season. You can't say he wasn't trying his ass off. The entire team was down a notch, not just him. Especially after coming back from Russia, something that can change a player and make it hard to adapt. If you don't actually think about it, sure, it'd look on the surface like OMG HES LAZY PLAYER WHO ONLY WANT MONEY. But really, two contract years where he's supposed to play better than the previous season? That's all you need to see to guarantee he's a lazy contract-year player? He's a midget FFS and he's one of our hardest working guys. He's not lazy. Lazy is assessing a player with almost no basis or foundation for paranoid accusations.
Less than 2mil for a guy who is about to put up 50pts for the second time in three NHL seasons and doesn't take many penalties? I don't like the guy either, but if he could be had for 2.5-3mil that'd be a good deal.
I find it odd that I hear people want Hudler on the third line and 3 mil is too much for that. Yet we want a rookie making peanuts in the top six. Doesn't that balance out giving us the kind of depth we should find desirable? Hudler for 3 mil isn't that bad.
What's crazy about this whole thing is Mule gets away with being lazy because of his goal scoring (26 while being centered by the best passer in hockey). It's the pro-Mule point that anyone defending him has left in the tank. Hudler is treated like a bad smell, even though he has 23 goals and tries a hell of a lot harder than Mule ever does. Then in the middle we have Flip, who has 23, works hard in all ends, and we're all perfectly satisfied. It goes beyond points obviously but sometimes we need to admit we're holding onto past irrational bias and our perspective is skewed because of it.
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His first "contract year" was his first year up. He scored 25 points in 76 games and got a two year deal from it worth a mil a year. He went on to score 42 in the first year of that deal. That's not something a lazy player would do, that's something a player who is getting better does. Then 57 in the second. Is that 57 really working for a better deal with the intent of lazing around afterward, or is it a player who is progressing? An arbitrator gives him his current deal and he goes to Russia. He comes back and plays rusty (or lazy if you're suspicious of everything) and then plays better the next year when the rust has worn off (or when he wants a good contract). Is this really enough to label the guy? You don't think you're reaching at all? Besides, look at how he played last season. You can't say he wasn't trying his ass off. The entire team was down a notch, not just him. Especially after coming back from Russia, something that can change a player and make it hard to adapt. If you don't actually think about it, sure, it'd look on the surface like OMG HES LAZY PLAYER WHO ONLY WANT MONEY. But really, two contract years where he's supposed to play better than the previous season? That's all you need to see to guarantee he's a lazy contract-year player? He's a midget FFS and he's one of our hardest working guys. He's not lazy. Lazy is assessing a player with almost no basis or foundation for paranoid accusations.
Dude, what are you talking about? Logic has no place here when talking about Hudler...
NHL teams rarely have more than a few 20-goal scorers. It would be a shame to lose one because he's small or because you want to make room for a rookie. If Holland needs to drop Hudler for cap space that's another story.
They can't keep icing the same team year after year. This team has no problem scoring. In fact, I can't recall a season where Detroit wasn't one of, if not the, top scoring team every season for the last 20 years. They'll figure it out. They need to dump Hudler for size and toughness and who still make a difference when they don't have the puck.
Dude, what are you talking about? Logic has no place here when talking about Hudler...
Sorry man. Ummmm....hmmm...
...I HATE HUDLER CUASE HE SMALL AND I WANT TOUGHNESS AND MORE GOALS. I WILL NOW HOLD ONTO THIS OPINION FOREVER BECAUSE ITS NOW A COMPEITITION TO SEE WHO PREDICTED CORRECTLY!
just wondering. last success was the cup vs pittsburg 4 years ago when datysuk and zetterberg hit their prime. after that came only decline.
we cant resign all garbage we can find in our team for ever. this is no progress at all.
last time i could see progress was the signin of robitaille, chelios and hull last decade.
can somebody show me a player what let us advance to the next level after that?
so give hudler away or dont resign him, give picks away like other teams did and built a better team.
this team is not good enough for a cup. this was detroits target all years long.
but if it is good enough nowadays to float in the middle of the league then we can resign hudler for whatever he asks for and keep all other garbage. it doesnt matter then for sure. we can add samuelson and lebda again in the off season then. doesnt matter at all.
so ask yourself. do you want to win a cup or do you want to float around with hudler,quincey, cleary, holmstrom, bertuzzi and ericsson?
just mention, vrbata, dustin brown, hornquist, berlund, oshie and many player more are getting the same or much less money then hudler but are present on the ice. so dont tell me hudler is a bargain.
^Define present on the ice. Especially since a couple of those guys are total floaters. People will always covet what they see and don't have. Many of those names are very physical or known as being offensive scorers. The grass must be greener over there because they don't seem that much better than Hudler to me. I think, points equal, we want a guy who won't get knocked off the puck because it frustrates us and as Wings fans we want physical forwards and have for awhile. I think if any of those names came here, minus one or two, they wouldn't stand out any more. They'd not get hit so easily, but the trade off is that they won't be nearly as defensively responsible, and won't have the same kind of vision/passing, etc. Hudler at 3 mil wouldn't be a bargain but it wouldn't be bad, either. I think given his play he'll get an offer for 2.5 and will probably take it, unless some salary cap basement dweller comes along and has to do like Florida did and overpay just to hit the floor.
Sorry man. Ummmm....hmmm...
