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03-29-2012, 04:26 PM
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McGuire is handling himself pretty well. I like the fact he refused to lobby for the job.
Haha! I laughed at how he sold Brisebois short when they went through candidates....said he was just a salary cap guy. Nothing about the job he's done with Norfolk. If Brisebois (one of the top contenders) gets the job, McGuire will bash the hire relentlessly.

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Mcguire refused to answer the question of why he would be good for the job ..

He did speak shortly about each of the candidates he was asked about:

Reading into what he said, he likes Bergevin the best ... not sold on Roy from what I could hear. Pretty much shot down Brisebois, Loiselle etc ...

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Said this in another thread about bringing McGuire on board:

Well, it is my personal belief that in the new NHL, amateur scouting is more important than pro-scouting, and that's where the Gainey/Gauthier regime failed miserably. The scouting staff in Montreal is about 1/3 of what it should be. I'll agree that the pro-scouting has been horrible for the most part, but it's beyond me how we as fans knew the Kaberle deal was a bad one, same for Bourque. That's not even pro-scouting, that's not willing to pay for a plane ticket to watch said player play.

There are good young players in place right now. For the upcoming crop that will be making their way, hopefully, to the AHL next year, I'm not as sold on them as some of you are, but hey, they are what they are, prospects.

I wouldn't go out looking for a new veteran group as a) the existing one is still under contract and b) by the time their contracts are up, we'll be talking about how some of these younger players have grown into veterans.

So while I somewhat agree with your observation, I still feel a rebuild is needed in Montreal, maybe not to a full Edmontonian extent, but it should be approached that way, i.e. trading away veteran players to stock up on pics and prospects. I feel McGuire would be the man for the job.

As I'm typing this, I'm also making another somewhat related point in that the organization needs a rebuild (duh) meaning once you do have those picks and prospects, you must have the right personel to develop them, and that's not to be overlooked by the new GM.
Montreal over the last 9 years has more drafted players in the NHL than any other franchise.

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Montreal has best fans, best hockey market, best... Its almost like we didn't have a crappy year.
with still almost no REAL (****ing winners!) replacements for neither GM nor Coaching. (Everyone is naming people with zero experience)
Players, coaches and GM's are all dying to come to Montreal... what great market Montreal has in 2012!
Because after one awful year you might as well fold the franchise right?

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Montreal over the last 9 years has more drafted players in the NHL than any other franchise.
to bad there on other teams ...

maybe we need a DEVELOPMENT

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to bad there on other teams ...

maybe we need a DEVELOPMENT
We also need pro-scouting so when we do trade players we get value in return.

I know this is hockeys future where draft picks are worth more than established pros like Plekanec and Gionta, but the idea that the solution is to trade off all players over 25 and stockpile picks is how you become the Oilers or Islanders.

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Nathan MacKinnon
Giguere won't get us McKinnon, he'll get us years and years of mediocrity.

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just came back home..... YESSSSS

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Serge Savard on TSN 990 right now... I don't like him at all.

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Would love to see what McGuire could do as a GM

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Nathan MacKinnon
If they want MacKinnon, all they need to do is sit Price for the season, replace him with Robert Mayer and bring Campoli back, put him on the top pairing with Weber and play them 25-30 mins a night and we should be set.

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just came back home..... YESSSSS
who is this Pierre Gauthier?

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If they want MacKinnon, all they need to do is sit Price for the season, replace him with Robert Mayer and bring Campoli back, put him on the top pairing with Weber and play them 25-30 mins a night and we should be set.
lol man i don't wanna jinx next year, but anything can happen ...
Price might fall off a horse at a rodeo for all we know ...would be our luck




Saddest guy in Montreal right now? Darche

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Mike Gillis has done a good job in Vancity - I really like the idea of hiring an established player agent as gm - they understand the cap and how to lure players to sign. So I would go with an agent with a good rep like Gillis, or alternatively try to get a young hawk like Chiarelli or Fletcher for the Wild (who granted are crap, so I guess it is risky, but he's done a good job of building assets).

Having S. Savard on board, I suppose the odds are the Habs stick to the old school ex-player model, but for me an ex-player agent is the way to go...

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lol ..

Savard just said one of the questions he will ask is what will you do with Scott Gomez ..

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Would love to see what McGuire could do as a GM
I'll expand on that.


Would love to see what McGuire could do as a GM....in TORONTO.


Because he would decimate any franchise. He hasn't worked for any orginization since the 90's. There is likely more reasons than "family reasons".

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Mike Boone on prime time sports was just tossing out names for possible gm and he said Pierre Maguire and Bob MacCown went NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hahaha hilarous, Boone also said he would not be good cause he is too thin skinned. Bob mentioned Lou Lam, said that he is not happy with the owner in NJ cause he goes over his head and makes decisions and rumor has it he may leave. Told boone to mention it to Molson.
Lou is too smart to join Montreal. He is an incredible GM but no matter how good you are, there's too much spotlight in Montreal, within a few years the whole city will hate him because of one bad trade. He's better off going to a low key city where he can GM for the next 20 years.

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lol ..

Savard just said one of the questions he will ask is what will you do with Scott Gomez ..
i think they should start him on the ahl.....Sortta a jolt .

I'd tell him no buyout, you want out , play to get traded .

Then little after call him up.

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Serge Savard on TSN 990 right now... I don't like him at all.
Of course you wouldn't. Let me guess, Bob Gainey best GM ever right ?

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Well, it is my personal belief that in the new NHL, amateur scouting is more important than pro-scouting, and that's where the Gainey/Gauthier regime failed miserably.
Amateur scouting was always one of the strongest suit of that era, actually. You do realize that Montreal is one of the, if not the, best-drafting team in the last decade, right?

Unless they go tilt and fire Timmins amateur scouting is near the top of the list of things the new GM doesn't have to worry about.

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As I'm typing this, I'm also making another somewhat related point in that the organization needs a rebuild (duh) meaning once you do have those picks and prospects, you must have the right personel to develop them, and that's not to be overlooked by the new GM.
No. Rebuilds are a recipe for long-term failure, and in any case the Habs are not in a position where they need one, last place in the conference notwithstanding. The roster needs a retool and if the GM is wise, it won't even be a big one (though he obviously needs to replace the guys Gauthier traded away for picks and junk).

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lol ..

Savard just said one of the questions he will ask is what will you do with Scott Gomez ..
Here's what we do. Let all the candidates try and trade Gomez for anything. If they manage, job's theirs.

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lol ..

Savard just said one of the questions he will ask is what will you do with Scott Gomez ..
So the new GM needs a cannon? So that he can launch him off the island ?

"Et répondre de la bouche de mes canons"

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Of course you wouldn't. Let me guess, Bob Gainey best GM ever right ?
Yeah, that's exactly what I think. How did you know?


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Mike Gillis has done a good job in Vancity - I really like the idea of hiring an established player agent as gm - they understand the cap and how to lure players to sign. So I would go with an agent with a good rep like Gillis, or alternatively try to get a young hawk like Chiarelli or Fletcher for the Wild (who granted are crap, so I guess it is risky, but he's done a good job of building assets).

Having S. Savard on board, I suppose the odds are the Habs stick to the old school ex-player model, but for me an ex-player agent is the way to go...

he got them too soft...sound familiar?

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