No it doesn't put him in the class of Turgeon or Bossy, he is a good hockey player but not in their class. I coach kids in baseball and football, they give out a sportsmanship award each year, it is nice to have but doesn't contribute a bit to winning.
Maybe "league" was poor wording the point is that it Moulsons point totals plus being fair on the ice (having nothing to do with being a powerpuff girl or powderpuff or wussy) the Lady Bing has nothing to do with winning, it has to do with sportsmanship and being a good scorer.
Lets be happy that he is maybe being considered and talk about the team on one of the many other threads here on Isles HF (JMHO)
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The inference is that the perceived softness on this team as a team is a huge problem. So to have one of our few players who has some size and who plays on a line with our star is a problem for the future success of this team. To me this is not a recognition of a success but rather a validation of a big problem on this team. Having a Lady Byng winner next to JT is not going to lead us closer to the promised land. I would rather he show a bit of scrappiness and have 40-50 pms a year, many of the additional of the coincidental variety, taking off an opponent with him and sending a message that you can't kick sand in our face.
Ok now if you want to get someone more gritty, like a Matt Martin type of player, then maybe that will work. I like goons and other guys that fight and have sandpaper in their games, like Martin. I just don't know if that type of player is better long term with JT than Moulson Ice. I'd like to know for sure.
I wasn't aware the NHL was now giving out awards for breathing.
His role is not to protect Tavares. Never has been.
Your role as a hockey player is to have your linemate's backs. It doesn't matter what role you fill. He can't even protect himself because he is that big of a *****. Just like Okposo. Just like Bailey. Just like Nielsen. Just like Grabner. The two most physical guys in our top 6 are Tavares and PAP, and that in and of itself says quite a bit about what is wrong with this club.
Our top six is pretty much a brigade of Marys. Forgive me for not getting all worked up about one of them getting nominated to wear the cute pink tiara. I'd rather see them grow a sack and play with 1/100th of the physicality of Martin of Haley. But they have to protect their manginas from getting booboos, so I guess there is that.
Sure he gets some assists, but a lot of those are on rebounds. It isn't like he's holding onto the puck & making a great play setting someone up for a goal.
He's the most 1 dimensional player in the league.
He has more assists this year than before, first off. I do not have stats, but am willing to bet a higher percent of them are primary assists than last year.
He is effective offensively, and right now is JT's go to guy. Why do you want to mess with that before we have someone better to take MM's place?
Ok now if you want to get someone more gritty, like a Matt Martin type of player, then maybe that will work. I like goons and other guys that fight and have sandpaper in their games, like Martin. I just don't know if that type of player is better long term with JT than Moulson Ice. I'd like to know for sure.
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I specifically said that I wouldn't want him to be a goon, there is a big gap between goon and having someones back. Can you deny this team has been soft with very few exceptions? Possibly Martin, Hamonic, PAP, JT. Noone should be allowed to take liberties with our star without worry or any of our players for that matter. Standing up for each other should be a team effort. I think this award is as much about rewarding our softness as it is about being a clean player. Moulson is not the type of player that wins this award historically and the things that get you this award are not the type of player i think he should be. So no I won't celebrate it nearly as much as I will if Martin sets the record for hits. That is doing his job. Part of MM's job should be to have his teammates back besides scoring goals. It is not too much to ask. If KO, Bailey or PAP etc was up for this award I would say the exact same thing.
For the record, I like Moulson and what he brings scoring wise. He is a great attribute to this team. I am not a Moulson hater, this is about the team playing soft and JT having a long career. It just so happens that Moulson, JT's wingman is the one up for an award that has represented softness to many over the years and has traditionally been given to guys who have skills and win awards in other areas.
I love this board.. we constantly bash Moulson and Nielsen but if you critique Josh Bailey or Kyle Okposo for being softies or no talent hacks you all jump on and scream how there young and still developing.
give me a break this is a great award that signifies players who are class acts. Not eveyone out there is going to be Tie Domi.. The fact that you people are complaining about Moulson getting this award clearly proves that you guys are still not old enough to buy cigarettes.
And by the way to posters who said it would be a great honor and boost to this franchise if he gets it. I would lay a wager that instead we would get more negative comments from other teams fans about our softness (for lack of a better word) than compliments at how great it is that we have a Lady Byng winner and how it means we are turning the corner. Just my hunch, maybe i am right, maybe wrong.
I love this board.. we constantly bash Moulson and Nielsen but if you critique Josh Bailey or Kyle Okposo for being softies or no talent hacks you all jump on and scream how there young and still developing.
give me a break this is a great award that signifies players who are class acts. Not eveyone out there is going to be Tie Domi.. The fact that you people are complaining about Moulson getting this award clearly proves that you guys are still not old enough to buy cigarettes.
I don't smoke but have been following this team since 1975, and if you have too you must know that many people consider the LB award a joke to appease those who say the sport is too violent. The first time I became aware of the award was when Gretzky won it in 80 and I asked "what is the Lady Byng?", only be told by my friend that it is the award they give out to the biggest ***** in the league. Many feel that way. Other sports award sportsmanship, charity etc as well but to my knowledge they do not include it as a major award among the statistical awards...I applaud those winners and don't feel that it takes away form their performance.
In this case given our softness i feel it is a direct negative to our ability to win and keep our players healthy going forward.
BTW, my unedited quote directly above yours says I would say the same thing if KO or Bailey won the award.
I don't smoke but have been following this team since 1975, and if you have too you must know that many people consider the LB award a joke to appease those who say the sport is too violent. The first time I became aware of the award was when Gretzky won it in 80 and I asked "what is the Lady Byng?", only be told by my friend that it is the award they give out to the biggest ***** in the league. Many feel that way. Other sports award sportsmanship, charity etc as well but to my knowledge they do not include it as a major award among the statistical awards...I applaud those winners and don't feel that it takes away form their performance.
In this case given our softness i feel it is a direct negative to our ability to win and keep our players healthy going forward.
BTW, my unedited quote directly above yours says I would say the same thing if KO or Bailey won the award.
Mike Bossy's my favourite player all-time, the reason why i was an Islanders' fan. He won this award several times and I will admit I was never "proud" of it (well, as much as a FAN can be proud of someone else's accomplishments! )
The award doesn't have a great reputation, although some great players have won it. Maybe if it were re-named? The word "Lady" doesn't help, the NHL really messed that up when naming that award. In reality, "gentlemanly" really doesn't belong with NHL hockey.
Awarding a "classy" player, well, what's the point, really?!
I'm happy when any Islanders s considered for an award, but the "Lady Bing" is my least favourite.
I would NOT have it in my linkedin profile - let's leave it at that.
This is matt moulson were talking about, the way people are complaining about his hitting i feel like people are mistaking him for matt martins role.
Moulson is in his 3rd straight 30 goal season, spends most of his time in front of the net with the 1st pairing defensemen of every other team, his chemistry with johnny.
Also, our biggest problem is scoring (granted its secondary scoring) but would you trade mattys 64 points this season for say 35 points and 35 pims....
on the relative spectrum, sure this is a miniscule which is why i dont think that him getting this should be a reason to nitpick every thing about him and this team as to why getting this award is something to be "ashamed of"
For once just be proud of your player, the hockey gods know we dont get a chance to very often
One of the main turning points for the Cup teams to take the next step was when they finally got rid of the label as SOFT and stood up to the flyers... gary howatt oh where are you now... MM could still score the same number of points and stick up for his teammates... Having your teammates backs is always important to chemistry. It is only one aspect of the game, and a glaring weakness of this one... if you think winning the Lady Byng is a positive and really represents just gentlemanliness than so be it.. it has always been an out of place award in a physical sport.. MM plays a type of game that would be enhanced by a little more physicality and trying to keep JT upright and not worried about who will take the next cheap shot at him without fear of reprisal..
Derek King or Steve Thomas who played with Turgeon may be a good comparison for the grit i would like to see with MM.. King was a 70 pt player, a limited dimensional goal scorer but he mixed it up on rare occasions when he had to (he had already changed when hunter hit turgeon and it wound up being b hogue who fought after the hit).
He has more assists this year than before, first off. I do not have stats, but am willing to bet a higher percent of them are primary assists than last year.
He is effective offensively, and right now is JT's go to guy. Why do you want to mess with that before we have someone better to take MM's place?
I don't, I want to get someone better than Moulson, so Moulson can be on the 2nd line. and I say that PAP helps JT a lot more than Moulson does.
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