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03-30-2012, 12:05 AM
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Nice, Hedi talking ****. Can we make him our coach?

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Maybee, but Seto and McGinn never took shifts off, so that's kinda what I was talking about. DW traded away the guys that just go 100% even when they aren't scoring. Seto had scoring streaks but he never took a shift off. Same with McGinn.
Seto never took a shift off? He was the definition of streaky and had poor hockey sense on top of that.

Don't get me wrong, we do miss his offense dearly, but he wasn't a glue guy. Not even close.

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Hedican is right and Ratto made a much better point than before he was yelled at by Drew. lol

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Hedi is correct. They try, but they don't communicate on the ice and aren't playing with any confidence.

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Good teams that work hard create their own luck and bounces

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Hopefully DW gets fired before he trades for Rick Nash.

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Shh, let people blame Patrick Marleau for this team's failure. All their issues are simply the issue of one guy, its very easy to see.
Who exactly is blaming Marleau entirely for this team's failure? He sure isn't helping this team win though. Hockey is a team sport, but he isn't doing enough on his part.

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He can skate, no doubt. But how often does he use it? Go hot for 5 games, go invisible for 10+. He has 2 goals in the last 18 or so games.
The problem isn't necessarily Marleau. The problem is that Marleau and Thornton-Pavelski don't mix well on the whole of it. Marleau is at his best when he has a second player that plays at his speed. When Marleau has to slow down to Thornton's pace, he's simply not as good of a player. He's a high-speed player.

If they want to make this work in the next four games, put Marleau back with Havlat, and toss a coin on who is the third player on that line. Thornton just doesn't use Marleau all that much when he's on that line so the disappearing act is expected from my angle. Marleau simply doesn't get the puck on his stick nearly enough for a player of his ability. And part of that is himself not working hard enough to get it and part of it is that when he's playing on a line with Thornton, Thornton rarely gets him the puck.

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I say the opposite, it has been going on for too long to be considered system. We get our chances, very, very good chances, very often. That's why when we get the occasional observer from another team coming in here they are saying wow, the Sharks had so many chances. Then the Sharks fans shout them down, grumbling about effort. The team is playing well enough to have had a much, much better result this season.
That makes no sense at all. If it's been going on for too long then that implies it's NOT luck.

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Good teams that work hard create their own luck and bounces
You cannot create luck, or it is not luck.

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Marleau uses his speed to beat a defender, stop, center the puck, and prays for a rebound. He's not physical and shys away from body contact. He constantly shoots just to shoot, most times into the chest.

He is useless
I've never been a fan of Marleau, and have been hoping he would magically turn into a guy like Iginla or Morrow instead throughout the years.

However, when you make a claim that he is Useless.. that there really hurts your argument. It just discredits any other credible point you may have just made.

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Hedican laying some truth down.

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If I was DW I would honestly just fire TM tonight, right now. Step in yourself if you have to and finish out the season. If the players are done with McLellan, it MIGHT be enough to get enough jump out of them to make the playoffs.

Hosed anyway, why not.

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Good teams that work hard create their own luck and bounces
The bounces have been there. But, OEL, Aucoin, Morris etc, outworked whoever the Sharks forward may be to the puck.

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If I was DW I would honestly just fire DW tonight, right now. Step in yourself if you have to and finish out the season. If the players are done with McLellan, it MIGHT be enough to get enough jump out of them to make the playoffs.

Hosed anyway, why not.
A freudian slip?

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It wasn't quick. It was prolonged and very, very heated.
Seriously. Wish I would have seen it. So many games have had Sharks coverage this season. Then, after a deadbeat game with opposition coverage, finally some action from Shark territory, albeit post game, and no way to see it.

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Hahaha! Ratto: Quit screwing around! You screw around too much!


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The Sharks are to hard work as Ratto is to dieting

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You cannot create luck, or it is not luck.
"The harder I work, the luckier I get."

- Thomas Jefferson

Sharks don't work hard enough.

End of story.

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The Sharks are to hard work as Ratto is to dieting
Like, they're not even trying?

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IMHO, it's the system. The system is what is at fault. Remember back the first few games Tmac was here. It looked like the team just played hockey. No system, no real defensive set, just play.

And it was glorious.

The "read and react" PK is horrible. No pressure, just stand back and wait for the puck. The PP is even worse. Pass.Pass again. pass again. Back door play. Out of zone. Repeat.

More frustrating is not attempting to change what isn't working.

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Because not finishing and putting pucks in the net are Tmac's fault.

Marleau didn't suck the first half of the year: Marleau is great.

Marleau sucks the second half of the year: The Coach sucks.

Got it!

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The problem isn't necessarily Marleau. The problem is that Marleau and Thornton-Pavelski don't mix well on the whole of it. Marleau is at his best when he has a second player that plays at his speed. When Marleau has to slow down to Thornton's pace, he's simply not as good of a player. He's a high-speed player.

If they want to make this work in the next four games, put Marleau back with Havlat, and toss a coin on who is the third player on that line. Thornton just doesn't use Marleau all that much when he's on that line so the disappearing act is expected from my angle. Marleau simply doesn't get the puck on his stick nearly enough for a player of his ability. And part of that is himself not working hard enough to get it and part of it is that when he's playing on a line with Thornton, Thornton rarely gets him the puck.
I'd like to see Marleau and Havlat back together as well, but even with a fast player, most of the time Marleau still stops up at the blue-line instead of driving the net. I wouldn't use Thornton's possession play as an excuse for Marleau's disappearance lately either. The last few games, he's been extremely weak on the puck. When he did get the puck along the boards, he's either been quick passing it to a guy with pressure, or just loses it to the defender.

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Losing your job will do that to you.
We can only hope.

And I totally agree about losing the 100% effort from McGinn and Seto hurt a lot.

My dad was a manager for a very large company, he was telling me about "catalyst" guys, they had teams that would work on problems - programming, design, etc, and these catalyst guys didn't necessarily bring any special skill to the table, but through them being in the team, the productivity and success of the team as a whole went way up, and they tracked these kinds of things and when an important project was in line they would make sure that one of these catalyst guys was on the team asking the right questions, and guiding the work.

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You credit your skill in victories, and blame luck in defeats. Simple defense mechanism.

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