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03-29-2012, 09:48 AM
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I'm bumping this because Regehr currently leads the team in qualcomp while maintaining a GA/on/60 of under 2.

Bust city.
too bad his offense is so inept that his overall +/- is -0.55.... meaning, the end result of 60 minutes of Regehr ice time, is the Sabres losing... (not a necessarily a bad thing, if the team is winning the other matchups like we are doing in the 2nd half with new found offensive depth)

GA Regehr ON ice : 1.99
GA Regerh OFF ice: 2.25

GF Regehr ON ice : 1.44
GF Regehf OFF ice: 2.72

The Sabres are -0.55 when he's on the ice, and +0.46 when he's off

again, Regehr is not a bust, the trade was not a bad trade...

In comparison :

Sekera is 2nd in QoC. but has a much lower QoT then Regehr does.

GA Sekera ON ice : 2.04
GA Sekera OFF ice: 2.33

GF Sekera ON ice : 2.50
GF Sekera OFF ice: 2.27

The Sabres are +0.47 when he's on the ice, and -0.06 when he's off

Another interesting statistic, Regehr has the 10th worst relative Corsi in the NHL among defensemen (-14.2). Remember, this number is relative to the rest of his teammates. (Sekera Rel Cor is +8.9). As for the Standard on ice corsi, Regehr is a team worst -11.24, meaning over 60 minutes of ice time, the sabres face 11 more shots then their opponent, this is good for 15th worst in the league among defensemen with more then 40 games.

A low relative corsi is indicative of a lack of puck possession and offense. And we should expect that since we know Regehr has aboslutely zero offensive skill, a lack of skating ability, and the offensive awareness of Brad Brown.

What bothers me most, is that the amount of shots on goal he gives up, with his relatively low level of blocked shots in comparison. He barely cracks the top 100 defensemen in blocked shots... that's bad.

When Regehr is off the Ice, our shots against go down, our blocks go up, and our shots for go up.

The stats don't lie though. Regehr is playing a shutdown role, seeing the big matchups, and he's a big part of the success we are having defensively... the caveat being, that he's a massive handicap offensively, and his style leads to a high level of opportunities against... however it seems those opportunities are of the minimum quality variety.

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Next, we should compare relative corsi for Tuesday night games after 2 game road trips where opponents have 2 or more players who had jersey numbers in the 50s while they were in minor hockey.

Sometimes the sabremetrics get taken a LITTLE too far.

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Next, we should compare relative corsi for Tuesday night games after 2 game road trips where opponents have 2 or more players who had jersey numbers in the 50s while they were in minor hockey.

Sometimes the sabremetrics get taken a LITTLE too far.
yea, Goals Against, Goals For, Shots Against, Shots for, and Blocked shots for.... when On the ice and off the ice....... crazy advanced stuff here


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The stats don't lie though. Regehr is playing a shutdown role, seeing the big matchups, and he's a big part of the success we are having defensively... the caveat being, that he's a massive handicap offensively
Shocking. I expected the opposite when the Sabres acquired him from the Flames. #nope

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too bad his offense is so inept that his overall +/- is -0.55.... meaning, the end result of 60 minutes of Regehr ice time, is the Sabres losing... (not a necessarily a bad thing, if the team is winning the other matchups like we are doing in the 2nd half with new found offensive depth)

GA Regehr ON ice : 1.99
GA Regerh OFF ice: 2.25

GF Regehr ON ice : 1.44
GF Regehf OFF ice: 2.72

The Sabres are -0.55 when he's on the ice, and +0.46 when he's off

again, Regehr is not a bust, the trade was not a bad trade...

In comparison :

Sekera is 2nd in QoC. but has a much lower QoT then Regehr does.

GA Sekera ON ice : 2.04
GA Sekera OFF ice: 2.33

GF Sekera ON ice : 2.50
GF Sekera OFF ice: 2.27

The Sabres are +0.47 when he's on the ice, and -0.06 when he's off

Another interesting statistic, Regehr has the 10th worst relative Corsi in the NHL among defensemen (-14.2). Remember, this number is relative to the rest of his teammates. (Sekera Rel Cor is +8.9). As for the Standard on ice corsi, Regehr is a team worst -11.24, meaning over 60 minutes of ice time, the sabres face 11 more shots then their opponent, this is good for 15th worst in the league among defensemen with more then 40 games.

A low relative corsi is indicative of a lack of puck possession and offense. And we should expect that since we know Regehr has aboslutely zero offensive skill, a lack of skating ability, and the offensive awareness of Brad Brown.

What bothers me most, is that the amount of shots on goal he gives up, with his relatively low level of blocked shots in comparison. He barely cracks the top 100 defensemen in blocked shots... that's bad.

When Regehr is off the Ice, our shots against go down, our blocks go up, and our shots for go up.

The stats don't lie though. Regehr is playing a shutdown role, seeing the big matchups, and he's a big part of the success we are having defensively... the caveat being, that he's a massive handicap offensively, and his style leads to a high level of opportunities against... however it seems those opportunities are of the minimum quality variety.
Those are some crazy stats. Any stats on the amount of times reghers on the ice when the faceoff is in our own zone compared to the oppositions zone? Perhaps that's a reason why he allows so many shots. We don't win a lot of faceoffs.

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03-29-2012, 01:21 PM
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I wonder how many of these threads could be bumped for a good laugh

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What about Regehr's zone starts? If you start the shift more often in the defensive zone, that will inevitably contribute to more shots against. Especially on a relatively poor faceoff team like the Sabres.

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Those are some crazy stats. Any stats on the amount of times reghers on the ice when the faceoff is in our own zone? Perhaps that's a reason why he allows so many shots. We don't win a lot of faceoffs.
53.6% of his zone starts are in the defensive or neutral zone (highest on the Sabres)

the Sabres win 51% of their defensive zone draws when Regehr is on the ice

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at the end of the day, the best defense is playing at the other end of the ice, with the puck being shot at the other goal, and with limited opportunities against.

Having that said, the #'s suggest that if you are going to lose the possession battle, it's good to have guys like Regehr. A smart, physical, zone defender.

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too bad his offense is so inept that his overall +/- is -0.55.... meaning, the end result of 60 minutes of Regehr ice time, is the Sabres losing... (not a necessarily a bad thing, if the team is winning the other matchups like we are doing in the 2nd half with new found offensive depth)

GA Regehr ON ice : 1.99
GA Regerh OFF ice: 2.25

GF Regehr ON ice : 1.44
GF Regehf OFF ice: 2.72

The Sabres are -0.55 when he's on the ice, and +0.46 when he's off

again, Regehr is not a bust, the trade was not a bad trade...

In comparison :

Sekera is 2nd in QoC. but has a much lower QoT then Regehr does.

GA Sekera ON ice : 2.04
GA Sekera OFF ice: 2.33

GF Sekera ON ice : 2.50
GF Sekera OFF ice: 2.27

The Sabres are +0.47 when he's on the ice, and -0.06 when he's off

Another interesting statistic, Regehr has the 10th worst relative Corsi in the NHL among defensemen (-14.2). Remember, this number is relative to the rest of his teammates. (Sekera Rel Cor is +8.9). As for the Standard on ice corsi, Regehr is a team worst -11.24, meaning over 60 minutes of ice time, the sabres face 11 more shots then their opponent, this is good for 15th worst in the league among defensemen with more then 40 games.

A low relative corsi is indicative of a lack of puck possession and offense. And we should expect that since we know Regehr has aboslutely zero offensive skill, a lack of skating ability, and the offensive awareness of Brad Brown.

What bothers me most, is that the amount of shots on goal he gives up, with his relatively low level of blocked shots in comparison. He barely cracks the top 100 defensemen in blocked shots... that's bad.

When Regehr is off the Ice, our shots against go down, our blocks go up, and our shots for go up.

The stats don't lie though. Regehr is playing a shutdown role, seeing the big matchups, and he's a big part of the success we are having defensively... the caveat being, that he's a massive handicap offensively, and his style leads to a high level of opportunities against... however it seems those opportunities are of the minimum quality variety.
Is this ES, PK and PP? (Not that he's on for the PP). Just want to be sure we're looking at numbers that aren't ridiculously flawed.

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Is this ES, PK and PP? (Not that he's on for the PP). Just want to be sure we're looking at numbers that aren't ridiculously flawed.
It's all ES

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what's his BABIBOOBOPS/ZINGERDOODLE rating?

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what's his BABIBOOBOPS/ZINGERDOODLE rating?
It's obviously very low, since he's a defensive defensemen. You'd need to divide it by his relative crumpleheimer before we could begin to have an intelligent conversation about it.

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some pretty funny comments above but I think ts great to have a guy like Regher you can use to shutdown the top players on opposing teams

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my reply to this article: NUTZ

1- I dont care how many other defensemen lead him in ice time and have a better plus minus (which is the worst and most misleading stat for players) and I don't care if he scores at all, Do NOT compare him to rivet because we didn't make him captain and raise our hopes to the ceiling for him.....he is a tough defensemen who doesn't make stupid mistakes and and plays the PK (not the PP) which is why plus minus is dumb. But what the sabres need him for he is perfect for it, tough, with grit, reliable veteran who can work with these younger dmen......he is not in the same boat with rivet,

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my reply to this article: NUTZ

1- I dont care how many other defensemen lead him in ice time and have a better plus minus (which is the worst and most misleading stat for players) and I don't care if he scores at all, Do NOT compare him to rivet because we didn't make him captain and raise our hopes to the ceiling for him.....he is a tough defensemen who doesn't make stupid mistakes and and plays the PK (not the PP) which is why plus minus is dumb. But what the sabres need him for he is perfect for it, tough, with grit, reliable veteran who can work with these younger dmen......he is not in the same boat with rivet,
You don't get minuses for goals against when you're on the ice killing a penalty... But your general premise I agree with.

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too bad his offense is so inept that his overall +/- is -0.55.... meaning, the end result of 60 minutes of Regehr ice time, is the Sabres losing... (not a necessarily a bad thing, if the team is winning the other matchups like we are doing in the 2nd half with new found offensive depth)

GA Regehr ON ice : 1.99
GA Regerh OFF ice: 2.25

GF Regehr ON ice : 1.44
GF Regehf OFF ice: 2.72

The Sabres are -0.55 when he's on the ice, and +0.46 when he's off

again, Regehr is not a bust, the trade was not a bad trade...

In comparison :

Sekera is 2nd in QoC. but has a much lower QoT then Regehr does.

GA Sekera ON ice : 2.04
GA Sekera OFF ice: 2.33

GF Sekera ON ice : 2.50
GF Sekera OFF ice: 2.27

The Sabres are +0.47 when he's on the ice, and -0.06 when he's off

Another interesting statistic, Regehr has the 10th worst relative Corsi in the NHL among defensemen (-14.2). Remember, this number is relative to the rest of his teammates. (Sekera Rel Cor is +8.9). As for the Standard on ice corsi, Regehr is a team worst -11.24, meaning over 60 minutes of ice time, the sabres face 11 more shots then their opponent, this is good for 15th worst in the league among defensemen with more then 40 games.

A low relative corsi is indicative of a lack of puck possession and offense. And we should expect that since we know Regehr has aboslutely zero offensive skill, a lack of skating ability, and the offensive awareness of Brad Brown.

What bothers me most, is that the amount of shots on goal he gives up, with his relatively low level of blocked shots in comparison. He barely cracks the top 100 defensemen in blocked shots... that's bad.

When Regehr is off the Ice, our shots against go down, our blocks go up, and our shots for go up.

The stats don't lie though. Regehr is playing a shutdown role, seeing the big matchups, and he's a big part of the success we are having defensively... the caveat being, that he's a massive handicap offensively, and his style leads to a high level of opportunities against... however it seems those opportunities are of the minimum quality variety.
I think that a lot of that is because he's a guy with sub-par (but not black-hole) offensive instincts playing a black hole role. His ES TOI is way down, yet he's maintaining a high Qualcomp, so that means that he isn't getting the 3+ minutes of Iggy/Tanguay/JBo offensive zone minutes he got last season. His offensive zone start% is the lowest on the team and less than it was last year (yet he's still finishing over 50% of his shifts in the offensive zone, tied for the biggest % swing on the team).

Also, since the non-corsi ajdusted quality stats judge +/-, Buffalo's qualteam is kinda screwed because Goose and Gerbe had the best +/- until recently.

Tl:dr yay advanced stats can explain everything. On both sides of any argument.

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haha obviously some calgary fan or regehr hater wrote this....boooo hoooo



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I'm friends with a Calgary fan and he wasn't too upset when they traded Regehr to us. He said he's slow, he's old and his best years are behind him. I think Robyn was great for us at the beginning of the season but he's definitely slowed down as the year has dragged on. I wouldn't consider him our top shutdown guy now, and he's more of a liability than he was at the beginning of the season because of his slow feet. Very similar to Rivet, I loved him his first year here but then age and injuries caught up with him. Of course a tough veteran defenseman is a good thing to have on a playoff team, but Regier's mistake is getting these guys who have multiple years left of high salary contracts. The biggest problem with Regehr is management made such a big deal out of bringing him here, we can't bury him in the minors like Morrisson or Rivet.

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This article is ****ing stupid.

Terrible analysis.

We got him for toughness, not goals. We had Erhoff, Myers, Gragnani, Sekera for the puck movers to start.

The guy who wrote this is a dip ****.

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I'm friends with a Calgary fan and he wasn't too upset when they traded Regehr to us. He said he's slow, he's old and his best years are behind him. I think Robyn was great for us at the beginning of the season but he's definitely slowed down as the year has dragged on. I wouldn't consider him our top shutdown guy now, and he's more of a liability than he was at the beginning of the season because of his slow feet. Very similar to Rivet, I loved him his first year here but then age and injuries caught up with him. Of course a tough veteran defenseman is a good thing to have on a playoff team, but Regier's mistake is getting these guys who have multiple years left of high salary contracts. The biggest problem with Regehr is management made such a big deal out of bringing him here, we can't bury him in the minors like Morrisson or Rivet.
Regehr hasn't played even slightly close to poor enough to warrant burying him in the minors.

I agree that he was better earlier in the year, but he hasn't played poorly.

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