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03-30-2012, 02:02 PM
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"Building through the draft?"

Not even Tom Anselmi knows what Burke is doing.
You can understand why Anselmi is confused at the direction..

They hired Burke and his dream team, and so far during his tenure he has delivered a 7th, 2nd, 9th and currently 5th overall draft selections through his team building abilities. Any draft rebuilding team would be ecstatic with those results of 4 top 10 draft selections, and even potentially 2 X top 5 lottery picks in the past 3 seasons.

If you want a high draft pick(s), just hire Burke and tell him "to go make the playoffs", and then start planning for the entry draft for your future improvement as he will not disappoint on delivering.

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03-30-2012, 02:07 PM
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A sports reporter doing his job? How is that unprofessional? Or are you using Leafs management's definition of the term?
I don't know, did he ever sing the praises of Burke when the Leafs were 6th in early Feb? If not, why is he being a ***** right now? That's not professional.

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03-30-2012, 02:13 PM
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A centerpiece? Don't get ahead of yourself pal, lol

I wasn't spot on? Schenn is the new whipping boy now. How far off am I on that? He's terrible. The new car smell has worn off.

You're a total deluded optimist if you think Reimer is good, that's all I can say about that.

The Leafs do not have depth though. Take that back. The Leafs are a team that if one player goes down it's a lost season. That is not depth.
Don't get ahead of myself? It was widely reported that that was what Columbus wanted as the centerpiece at the deadline.

Schenn is 22. Being the whipping boy in this "what have you done for me lately" joke of a fan base is not an accurate reflection of the player he is or can be. He has had a bad season. That doesn't mean his career potential is 3rd pairing defenseman. In his worst season he has been a 3rd pairing defenseman.

You're a total deluded pessimist if you think Reimer is bad, that's all I can say about that.

The Leafs have plenty of depth. They just don't have the high-end depth that is ready enough for the NHL that they can step in and have the team not miss a beat when our starting goaltender or 2nd best player or a bunch of our secondary scoring goes down at the same time. Not many teams have that.

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03-30-2012, 02:27 PM
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From what I can see on TV, the last week, the lower bowl looks to be about 80-85% full. Lotta gaps in the crowd lately.

But there's fear in giving them up. You give them up, you lose your priority for future season tickets, and if you want to renew when things get better, you're on a waiting list for who knows how many years.
True.

No doubt that he'll renew, can't see him giving them up.
He's just fed up.


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Guy would rather lose thousands of dollars for nothing, just to have one extra seat be empty in the arena. Either you're lying or this guy is extremely stupid. Either way, he's obviously not a die hard fan.

The tickets are sold. What is done with them after the fact is pretty irrelevant to management.
that would be 4 empty seats.
Man runs a very successful business, far from stupid.
Very much a die hard fan, his business trips mirror leaf road games.
How he supports the leafs is different from how I support the leafs and in all probability, different from how you support the leafs.
3 different people, 3 different levels of showing support.

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03-30-2012, 02:34 PM
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that would be 4 empty seats.
Man runs a very successful business, far from stupid.
Very much a die hard fan, his business trips mirror leaf road games.
How he supports the leafs is different from how I support the leafs and in all probability, different from how you support the leafs.
3 different people, 3 different levels of showing support.
4 empty seats are equally unimportant, and 4 times the money wasted.
If this "very successful businessman" is throwing away money, and thinks that this so-called "protest" makes any difference, he is not very smart.
If he is not supporting the Leafs through thick and thin, he is not a die hard fan.
There is only one way to support the Leafs. By supporting them.

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Maybe someone can write an article how actual Leaf fans can't take any more cry baby bi-polar Leaf fans.

This place is becoming intolerable.

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03-30-2012, 02:50 PM
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You can understand why Anselmi is confused at the direction..

They hired Burke and his dream team, and so far during his tenure he has delivered a 7th, 2nd, 9th and currently 5th overall draft selections through his team building abilities. Any draft rebuilding team would be ecstatic with those results of 4 top 10 draft selections, and even potentially 2 X top 5 lottery picks in the past 3 seasons.

If you want a high draft pick(s), just hire Burke and tell him "to go make the playoffs", and then start planning for the entry draft for your future improvement as he will not disappoint on delivering.

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that would be 4 empty seats.
Man runs a very successful business, far from stupid.
Very much a die hard fan, his business trips mirror leaf road games.
How he supports the leafs is different from how I support the leafs and in all probability, different from how you support the leafs.
3 different people, 3 different levels of showing support.
agreed. i get leafs tickets for free all the time. whether he's giving them away as gifts or just giving them away to the garbage, it's the same difference.

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Don't get ahead of myself? It was widely reported that that was what Columbus wanted as the centerpiece at the deadline.
No it wasn't. Those were just rumours.


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Schenn is 22. Being the whipping boy in this "what have you done for me lately" joke of a fan base is not an accurate reflection of the player he is or can be. He has had a bad season. That doesn't mean his career potential is 3rd pairing defenseman. In his worst season he has been a 3rd pairing defenseman.
He had a bad year this year and last year and hell, even his rookie year was pretty sad if you assess him as an NHL-ready player and not a rookie. He's never been good, just 'admirable'

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You're a total deluded pessimist if you think Reimer is bad, that's all I can say about that.
You're a total deluded optimist if you think the joke that is James Reimer is good. He's a terrible, attrocious goalie. Talk to someone who knows goaltending and ask for an assessment. I dare you.

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03-30-2012, 03:00 PM
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He should, he signed the cheques for all of the scouts and player development people that Burke hired.
Every team has scouts and player development people.


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03-30-2012, 03:27 PM
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"for sniper Phil Kessel, forfeiting to Boston the rights to current star Tyler Seguin"

Phil is sixth in scoring, but only a "Sniper"? But Seguin is a star!

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03-30-2012, 03:31 PM
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The COO was asked to offer his interpretation of Burkeís plan.

ďThe plan is to build through the draft. Theyíve had three drafts.Ē
And in two of those the team traded away their good first-round picks. Great plan, but there's a little problem with execution.

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"for sniper Phil Kessel, forfeiting to Boston the rights to current star Tyler Seguin"

Phil is sixth in scoring, but only a "Sniper"? But Seguin is a star!
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03-30-2012, 03:33 PM
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Deal with it.
+/- on one of the best teams in the league vs. the worst? really?

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Deal with it.
LOL. What a terrible reply. Kessel was +23 his last year in Boston. +/- is a team stat.

You think if Toronto had two goalies with .930 save%+ all year, he'd be -12?

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And in two of those the team traded away their good first-round picks. Great plan, but there's a little problem with execution.
considering how successful a 6-10 pick is in most drafts, I didn't have a problem trading it for kessel. But the worst possible things that could of happend, happend. That's unfortunate.

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03-30-2012, 03:37 PM
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And in two of those the team traded away their good first-round picks. Great plan, but there's a little problem with execution.
considering how successful a 6-10 pick is in most drafts, I didn't have a problem trading it for kessel. But the worst possible things that could of happend, happend. That's unfortunate. On paper, a team led by Stajan, Poni etc should be a last place team but we were 7th last. Even in the year we teared it mostly all down, still couldn't get last.

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Deal with it.
Such a fail when people bring up +/-

Shows how much you know about hockey and it being a team number and not a player number.

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Every team has scouts and player development people.

Not as many, kind of ironic to use that emoticon when you didn't know that.

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Not as many, kind of ironic to use that emoticon when you didn't know that.
Its not about the number of personnel, but the quality of work of those involved.

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You can understand why Anselmi is confused at the direction..

They hired Burke and his dream team, and so far during his tenure he has delivered a 7th, 2nd, 9th and currently 5th overall draft selections through his team building abilities. Any draft rebuilding team would be ecstatic with those results of 4 top 10 draft selections, and even potentially 2 X top 5 lottery picks in the past 3 seasons.

If you want a high draft pick(s), just hire Burke and tell him "to go make the playoffs", and then start planning for the entry draft for your future improvement as he will not disappoint on delivering.
When was Burke told to "go make the playoffs"?

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+/- on one of the best teams in the league vs. the worst? really?
Kessel has the third worst +/- among Leaf forwards. You just can't blame it on the team.

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03-30-2012, 06:04 PM
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Kessel has the third worst +/- among Leaf forwards. You just can't blame it on the team.
Just like you can't post the numbers and think it shows anything. Generally the better players on the worst teams will have bad +/- because they see more ice-time on a team that gives up more goals than they score. Not surprising Phil's struggled with his +/- in Toronto.

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You can understand why Anselmi is confused at the direction..

They hired Burke and his dream team, and so far during his tenure he has delivered a 7th, 2nd, 9th and currently 5th overall draft selections through his team building abilities. Any draft rebuilding team would be ecstatic with those results of 4 top 10 draft selections, and even potentially 2 X top 5 lottery picks in the past 3 seasons.

If you want a high draft pick(s), just hire Burke and tell him "to go make the playoffs", and then start planning for the entry draft for your future improvement as he will not disappoint on delivering.
Poor Mess, he is finally getting his wish, a lottery pick and he still has issues.

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03-30-2012, 07:19 PM
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if the plan now is to build from the draft, why didn't Burke trade for those "1st round picks" he was offered at the trade deadline, (that he said he was offered) for the likes of Mcarthur, Franson, etc?
It's pretty clear there is no plan and he's just winging it at this point.

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