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03-30-2012, 12:05 PM
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I know the reason.

"O Canada, our home and native land..."
One of the reasons, interesting enough there was an article on it this morning.

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/roo...161650231.html

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03-30-2012, 12:23 PM
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RIM: We are not withdrawing from consumer market

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4510...onsumer-market

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...onsumer-market

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/blackb...-retreat/72815

RIM shares rise as markets weigh new strategy

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...im-friday.html

So do you think we can get the Thread Title fixed now? You know since it's completely inaccurate.

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03-30-2012, 12:35 PM
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RIM: We are not withdrawing from consumer market

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4510...onsumer-market

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...onsumer-market

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/blackb...-retreat/72815

RIM shares rise as markets weigh new strategy

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...im-friday.html

So do you think we can get the Thread Title fixed now? You know since it's completely inaccurate.
I fixed the thread title, but let's be honest, if RIM was precise in its words to begin with, all of this spin control, retracting, clarification, whatever you want to call it, doesn't happen.

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03-30-2012, 12:43 PM
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I fixed the thread title, but let's be honest, if RIM was precise in its words to begin with, all of this spin control, retracting, clarification, whatever you want to call it, doesn't happen.
Or let's be honest the media should learn to read and not spin things the way they want.

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Research in Motion has backtracked on comments its chief executive didn’t actually make, and clarified its position on the future of the BlackBerry smartphone.

From “RIM says it is pulling out of the consumer market“, and “Blackberry maker RIM backs off consumer efforts“, to Sky News reporting that the “BlackBerry Maker Gives Up On Consumer Market“.

But Heins didn’t explicitly say that.
So like I said the media likes to kick a dog when it's down and spin things every which way.

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It should get out of consumer markets. they are wasting their time trying to chase Apple and Google

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03-30-2012, 12:51 PM
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It should get out of consumer markets. they are wasting their time trying to chase Apple and Google
To late for that at this point. I don't think they will ever dominate the consumer market but I think they can regain a small part of what they lost with the right phone + OS combination. The Milan and London look like a good start.

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03-30-2012, 12:55 PM
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I fixed the thread title, but let's be honest, if RIM was precise in its words to begin with, all of this spin control, retracting, clarification, whatever you want to call it, doesn't happen.
Thanks but this is more a case of the media taking something that wasn't said & running with it.

This is what was said:

Research in Motion has backtracked on comments its chief executive didn’t actually make, and clarified its position on the future of the BlackBerry smartphone.

From “RIM says it is pulling out of the consumer market“, and “Blackberry maker RIM backs off consumer efforts“, to Sky News reporting that the “BlackBerry Maker Gives Up On Consumer Market“.

But Heins didn’t explicitly say that.

He said last night during a conference call:


“We plan to refocus on the enterprise business and capitalise on our leading position in this segment. [...] We believe that BlackBerry cannot succeed if we tried to be everybody’s darling and all things to all people. Therefore, we plan to build on our strength.”

Nowhere do I see them saying anything about leaving the consumer market.

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03-30-2012, 02:48 PM
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The problem is though, Apple is gaining traction in the enterprise, just as a consequence of their adoption in the consumer space...at least in the US, seeing as several federal agencies are dropping BB's for iDevices.

Yeah, I know RIM has their developing markets, but if someone drops a couple cheap Android headsets there, or if RIM begins making a lot of security concessions with governments, they are ****ed, as they didn't adapt to the changing market soon enough.

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They are going to have to compete in the consumer market because many large companies allow their employees to pick their phones as long as they are supported on their network. Many even subsidize them. People don't want to carry 2 phones, so they want to be able to enjoy those phones during their personal time too.

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03-30-2012, 08:36 PM
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The problem is though, Apple is gaining traction in the enterprise, just as a consequence of their adoption in the consumer space...at least in the US, seeing as several federal agencies are dropping BB's for iDevices.

Yeah, I know RIM has their developing markets, but if someone drops a couple cheap Android headsets there, or if RIM begins making a lot of security concessions with governments, they are ****ed, as they didn't adapt to the changing market soon enough.
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Link?
NOAA:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/11/27...ne-google-apps

ATF:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/29/28...one/in/2427121

While NOAA and the ATF aren't that large, the government usually does changes in technology at a snail's pace, so I'm a bit surprised they are transitioning.

And this, while not gov't agencies, but assorted US businesses:
http://business.financialpost.com/20...cks-up-iphone/

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03-30-2012, 09:50 PM
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Companies like halliburton switching to i devices doesn't help either. Halliburton is ****ing huge.

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03-31-2012, 03:23 AM
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It's just too bad that RIM didn't drop Balsilie earlier. That guy was good in love with himself to change the BlackBerry line when it had to. Investors seem to agree wince RIM stock price went up 6% when his retirement was announced.

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poor bb, remember 3 years ago when BB couldn't be stopped?


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BB just needs to bite the bullet and go all out in creating touch screen bb's with the latest and greatest tech/apps, with their uber security to keep their existing business users, and with the touch screens and more importantly the good $ plans they have with cellular service providers, they can hopefully snag a new generation of tech savvy users, because there are some good data plans on the major carriers across North America.

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BB just needs to bite the bullet and go all out in creating touch screen bb's with the latest and greatest tech/apps, with their uber security to keep their existing business users, and with the touch screens and more importantly the good $ plans they have with cellular service providers, they can hopefully snag a new generation of tech savvy users, because there are some good data plans on the major carriers across North America.
Agreed. We know RIM has money in the bank. Now is the time to use it. The new line of BB phones will make or break RIM, so they had better be good.

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The problem are not the phones, it's the horrible platform.

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04-02-2012, 09:47 AM
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The problem are not the phones, it's the horrible platform.
The BlackBerry 7 Phones will be the last ones to use the old software.

BlackBerry 10 Phones will be running QNX, the PlayBook is already running a version of QNX.

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The BlackBerry 7 Phones will be the last ones to use the old software.

BlackBerry 10 Phones will be running QNX, the PlayBook is already running a version of QNX.
Until further notice, BlackBerry 10 phones are vapourware. They are a giant, fat question mark. The PlayBook may be running QNX, but that's a different story entirely.

I would keep expectations in check for something that hasn't been released yet, but maybe that's just me.

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Until further notice, BlackBerry 10 phones are vapourware. They are a giant, fat question mark. The PlayBook may be running QNX, but that's a different story entirely.

I would keep expectations in check for something that hasn't been released yet, but maybe that's just me.
BlackBerry 10 Prototypes (Developer Alpha) will be given to developers:

http://crackberry.com/blackberry-10-...ototype-device

What is running on the PlayBook now will be very similar to what will be running on the BlackBerry 10 phones in a few months.

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If so, it won't be enough.

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If so, it won't be enough.
Yes, an alpha running on a prototype in May.

If it hasn't come to market before the next iPhone (October), RIM is ****ed. And even then, that's not a guarantee.

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If so, it won't be enough.
Please explain why it won't be enough?

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Yes, an alpha running on a prototype in May.

If it hasn't come to market before the next iPhone (October), RIM is ****ed. And even then, that's not a guarantee.
Yes let them rush it like they did with the Playbook which didn't exactly go over well even if 2.0 fixed it and the Playbook is an amazing tablet.

I rather they take a little more time and get the developers involved so that a more polished products comes out then rush something that is far from complete.

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Please explain why it won't be enough?
Does the PB OS brings anything new to the market? Will QNX bring something new?

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