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The Official 2012 Draft Thread: Part V | "Fizzling for Rissling"

View Poll Results: With the 2nd overall pick, what would you choose?
Center (Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, etc.) 100 58.82%
Defenseman (Murray, Dumba, etc.) 70 41.18%
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03-30-2012, 01:15 AM
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He sure didn't show up when it mattered in the Gold medal game, that was about a big a disaster as I've seen.
so one game trumps a whole playoff series?

Murray was a flat-out stud in a losing effort in the series...

I really hope we pick him 3rd

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03-30-2012, 01:20 AM
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Draft Grigorenko
Trade Gagner + Peckham for Gormley + filler
Acquire/sign Justin Schultz
Get rid of Belanger

Would be epppppic. Tamby probably can't get it done though.

Hall RNH Eberle
MPS Grigorenko Hemsky
Smyth Horcoff Jones
Eager Lander Hartikanen
Bad Ass Enforcer

Whitney Schultz
Smid Petry
Schultz Sutton
Gormley


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03-30-2012, 01:27 AM
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Draft Grigorenko
Trade Gagner + Peckham for Gormley + filler
Acquire/sign Justin Schultz
Get rid of Belanger

Would be epppppic. Tamby probably can't get it done though.

Hall RNH Eberle
MPS Grigorenko Hemsky
Smyth Horcoff Jones
Eager Lander Hartikanen
Bad Ass Enforcer

Whitney Schultz
Smid Petry
Schultz Sutton
Gormley


OR

Gagner/Marincin/Omark/conditional 2013 1st for Weber

Paajarvi-Hopkins-Eberle
Hall-Grigorenko-Hemsky
Smyth-Horcoff-Jones
Eager-Lander-Hartikainen
Hordichuk/Petrell

Whitney-Weber
Smid-Petry
Shultz-Schultz
Sutton, Potter

Dubnyk
Khabibulin

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03-30-2012, 01:37 AM
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so one game trumps a whole playoff series?

Murray was a flat-out stud in a losing effort in the series...

I really hope we pick him 3rd
According to the stat sheet.

Did you watch the games?

I would be surprised if you could find three people on this board who did.

Lets face it, not many, if any of us have extensive viewings of Murray. Most of us probably saw him at the WJC.

Not calling anyone out, its just the way it is for most of us, myself included.

It seems strange to talk in absolutes about a player most of us have only seen a few times, if that.

That said, it would appear, by the game sheets, that Murray had a great performance, made even more so by how poor his team was and how good the opposition was.

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03-30-2012, 01:39 AM
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OR

Gagner/Marincin/Omark/conditional 2013 1st for Weber

Paajarvi-Hopkins-Eberle
Hall-Grigorenko-Hemsky
Smyth-Horcoff-Jones
Eager-Lander-Hartikainen
Hordichuk/Petrell

Whitney-Weber
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Shultz-Schultz
Sutton, Potter

Dubnyk
Khabibulin
Not even close to enough for Weber. You're going to have to give up the 1st this year for him.

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According to the stat sheet.

Did you watch the games?

I would be surprised if you could find three people on this board who did.

Lets face it, not many, if any of us have extensive viewings of Murray. Most of us probably saw him at the WJC.

Not calling anyone out, its just the way it is for most of us, myself included.

It seems strange to talk in absolutes about a player most of us have only seen a few times, if that.

That said, it would appear, by the game sheets, that Murray had a great performance, made even more so by how poor his team was and how good the opposition was.
Fans always talk in absolutes.

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03-30-2012, 06:49 AM
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Not even close to enough for Weber. You're going to have to give up the 1st this year for him.
On top of that, Weber will never agree to come to the Oilers unless we show that this is a competative team, and we're pretty ******* far from that at this point...

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03-30-2012, 08:03 AM
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The Weber talk should just stop... there's probably 20 teams Weber would be wooed towards ahead of the Oilers even IF he isn't re-signed by Nashville.

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This is my best guess for the order the Oilers would have for their top 10 right now (these aren't my order that I'd choose)...

1 Yakupov They couldn't not pick him if they get the #1 pick imo.

2 Grigorenko Similar story at #2.. I don't think they would go past the safe big centre pick at #2.

3 Murray - safest top dman prospect... easy # 3 pick.

4 Trouba - 2nd safest dman pick imo and the Oilers are all about trying to get the safest bet with their pick.

5 Galchenyuk - I don't think the Oilers can look past Galchenyuk if he has a good playoffs and based on his overall size and potential at C.

6 Dumba - talented but riskier dman now start becoming more sensible at this point.

7 Forsberg - best regarded prospect in Europe would likely be higher up the Oilers list than most of us think.

8 Ceci - another all around safe type pick.

9 Reinhart - Local boy with a lot of potential would likely be high on their list but other side of the coin is they probably know him inside out as well and potential lower ceiling may put him lower on the list than some might think.

10 Faksa - Another talented C I think they'd find hard to pass up if they somehow had another pick in the top 10.

11 Rielly - I think the fear that he'd be too one dimensional would keep him from being too high on their list. The Klefbom and Musil picks last year make me think they are conservative when it comes to dman choices.

If I had to pick one "wild card player" who might be a lot higher on the Oilers list than many would think (even challenging for somewhere in the top 10 on their scouting lists)... I'd say it might be Olli Maatta. I think he plays that prototypical solid all around game and has good size that they covet on D.

Again that's just my current rough gut feel of how the Oilers scouts/management might currently rank all the top prospects. Interested in how others would see the Oilers ranking the top 10 top picks or so.

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03-30-2012, 08:57 AM
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Anything coming out of the Oilers braintrust?

edit: I know it is an oxymoron.

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How would you describe his physical game?
i would say that he is a defender that relies upon positioning and skating ability, rather than brute strength and power... i don't want to make it sound like i'm in the "murray camp" though, because i honestly don't see a huge advantage to taking murray over dumba (or vice versa).... your comment was just absurdly biased is all

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03-30-2012, 12:17 PM
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i would say that he is a defender that relies upon positioning and skating ability, rather than brute strength and power... i don't want to make it sound like i'm in the "murray camp" though, because i honestly don't see a huge advantage to taking murray over dumba (or vice versa).... your comment was just absurdly biased is all
How so?

Gagner IS more physical than Murray.

Murray is Tom Gilbert 2.0 when it comes to the physical game.

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03-30-2012, 05:18 PM
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Last year I was RNH or bust. This year im changing my mind every week This week its Murray.

After the lottery it will be easier to pick a fav i think.

And being soft isnt the end of the world. Yandle is, and hes good enough that no one seems to care.

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03-30-2012, 05:19 PM
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How so?

Gagner IS more physical than Murray.

Murray is Tom Gilbert 2.0 when it comes to the physical game.

Another reason I want Grigorenko.

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Another reason I want Grigorenko.
So you want Grigorenko because Murray is soft. Please help me comprehend.

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Yandle, Fowler, Boyle, Keith, Lidstrom, Enstrom, Suter... All less hits than Gilbert.

We would kill to have any of those guys. Physical play doesnt make or break a dman unless thats all they got.. Everyone is in love with Suter, guy has 44 hits on the season!

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So you want Grigorenko because Murray is soft. Please help me comprehend.
I want Grigorenko because the Oilers are a team full of midgets and soft hockey players.Mikhail Grigorenko helps in both and Ryan Murray scares me because he shows he is as soft as Tammy Gilbert.

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I want Grigorenko because the Oilers are a team of midgets and soft hockey players.Mikhail Grigorenko helps in both and Ryan Murray scares me because he shows he is as soft as Tammy Gilbert.
Grigorenko is shorter and smaller than Gilbert and plays just as soft or softer than both Gilbert and Murray.

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I want Grigorenko because the Oilers are a team full of midgets and soft hockey players.Mikhail Grigorenko helps in both and Ryan Murray scares me because he shows he is as soft as Tammy Gilbert.
Is there a video available of how rock em sock em Grigorenko plays?

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Grigorenko is shorter and smaller than Gilbert and plays just as soft or softer than both Gilbert and Murray.



Grigorenko is 6'3 and 200 pounds.
Gilbert is 6'3 and 206 pounds


In Grigorenko's future he could be 6'4 and 215-225 pounds.

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Grigorenko is 6'3 and 200 pounds.
Gilbert is 6'3 and 206 pounds
Hockeydb and the QMJHL both list him at 6'2'', my bad.

Not that Gilbert has played big for the majority of his career but has Grigorenko ever done this?





My point is that just because he is big does not automatically mean he doesn't play soft. Ponikarovsky is 6'4'' and Kurtis Foster is 6'5''. The main thing you look for is that he doesn't shy away from contact and can create space for himself.

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Grigorenko is 6'3 and 200 pounds.
Gilbert is 6'3 and 206 pounds
MPS is big too. I constantly read from those who watch him play on the prospects board is that Grig is kinda soft. He may be big, but he doesnt really use it.

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Hockeydb and the QMJHL both list him at 6'2'', my bad.

Not that Gilbert has played big for the majority of his career but has Grigorenko ever done this?





The info I'm using is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Grigorenko which says he is 6'3.

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MPS is big too. I constantly read from those who watch him play on the prospects board is that Grig is kinda soft. He may be big, but he doesnt really use it.
Grigorenko is busy scoring goals.

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As well who would like to see a 1-2 punch down the middle.Looking back we haven't seen that since Gretzky and Messier.

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