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View Poll Results: Murray or Grigorenko
Murray 61 30.50%
Grigorenko 90 45.00%
I'm happy with either 44 22.00%
Other 5 2.50%
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The Official 2012 Draft Thread: Part VI | Countdown To Draft Lottery: 2 Days

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Part I: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=969315
Part II: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...080917&page=27
Part III: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1087899
Part IV: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1107243
Part V: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1133325

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*Disclaimer: This thread is about draft eligible players for the 2012 NHL Entry Draft, not to discuss where we'll finish in the standings, our legitimacy as a play-off team or anything of that matter.*



I thought I would kick off our first official 2012 draft thread with my own Top 10.

The first three columns are the player's rankings with Redline Report, Future Considerations and International Scouting Service.



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Nail Yakupov - W
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  1 1 2 F Nail Yakupov 06-OCT-93 5.11 180 L Sarnia Sting RUS OHL 65 49 52 101 -2  


Strengths:
-Explosive skater
-Slippery
-Quick hands and creativity
-Great shot
-Plays bigger than his 5'11'' frame
-Very effective in the dirty areas

Comparable:
-A smaller Alexander Ovechkin


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Ryan Murray - LD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  3 2 3 D Ryan Murray 27-SEP-93 6.00 182 L Everett Silvertips CAN WHL 70 6 40 46 +18  


Strengths:
-Great skater
-Great puck-moving ability
-Positionally and defensively solid
-Leadership

Comparable:
-Scott Niedermayer


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Nick Ebert - RD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  2 4 6 D Nick Ebert 11-MAY-94 6.00 195 R Windsor Spitfires USA OHL 64 11 30 41 -2  


Strengths:
-Great skater
-Very physical
-Great puck-moving ability
-Very good positionally and defensively solid

Comparable:
-Drew Doughty


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Mikhail Grigorenko - C
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  11 5 1 F Mikhail Grigorenko 16-MAY-94 6.02 192 L CSKA Moscow RUS MHL 43 17 18 35 +9  


Strengths:
-Good size
-Good skater
-Great playmaking skills
-Good shot
-Committed two-way center

Comparable:
-Evgeni Malkin


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Alex Galchenyuk - C
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  7 3 9 F Alex Galchenyuk 12-FEB-94 6.00 185 L Sarnia Sting OHL 68 31 52 83 -8


Strengths:
-Good size
-Good skater
-Strong on the puck
-Great shot
-Very defensively responsible

Comparable:
-Marian Hossa


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Filip Forsberg - W
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  18 9 4 F Filip Forsberg 13-AUG-94 6.01 176 R Leksand SWE SuperElit 36 21 19 40 +30  


Strengths:
-Good size
-Good playmaker
-Great shot
-Strong on his skates
-Explosive skater

Comparable:
Patrick Marleau


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Griffin Reinhart - LD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  4 8 7 D Griffin Reinhart 24-JAN-94 6.04 202 L Edmonton Oil Kings CAN WHL 45 6 19 25 +7


Strengths:
-Great size
-Smooth skater
-Good puck-moving ability
-Gritty
-Big Shot

Comparable
Ed Jovanovski


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Morgan Rielly - LD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  10 7 12 D Morgan Rielly 09-MAR-94 6.00 190 L Moose Jaw Warriors CAN WHL 65 6 22 28 -15    


Strengths:
-Smooth skater
-Great puck-moving ability
-Loads of patience/poise
-Great shot
-Good defender

Comparable:
Brian Rafalski


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Jacob Trouba - RD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  6 6 5 D Jacob Trouba 26-FEB-94 6.01 183 R USA NTDP U17 USA 37 6 13 19 -  


Strengths:
-Great skater
-Good puck-moving ability
-Big shot
-Very physical, loves to initiate contact
-Loads of grit

Comparable:
Erik Johnson


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Matt Dumba - RD
  RLR FC ISS Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Nat League GP G A Pts +/- GPI GAA Pct
  12 10 14 D Mathew Dumba 25-JUL-94 5.11 172 R Red Deer Rebels CAN WHL 62 15 11 26 +24   


Strengths:
-Explosive skater
-Big shot
-Great puck-rushing ability
-Great open-ice hitter
-Very physical, loves to initiate contact

Comparable:
P.K. Subban





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Grigorenko is busy scoring goals.
He has 1 goal in the playoffs so far, and a few secondary assists. Doesnt seem that busy. I wouldnt mind drafting him, im not a hater, but your overrating him, and underrating others.

Just like how you did with a prospect last year... Hows Larsson playing from the pressbox bud?

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He has 1 goal in the playoffs so far, and a few secondary assists. Doesnt seem that busy. I wouldnt mind drafting him, im not a hater, but your overrating him, and underrating others.

Just like how you did with a prospect last year... Hows Larsson playing from the pressbox bud?
40 goals in the season says different.

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This is my best guess for the order the Oilers would have for their top 10 right now (these aren't my order that I'd choose)...

1 Yakupov They couldn't not pick him if they get the #1 pick imo.

2 Grigorenko Similar story at #2.. I don't think they would go past the safe big centre pick at #2.

3 Murray - safest top dman prospect... easy # 3 pick.

4 Trouba - 2nd safest dman pick imo and the Oilers are all about trying to get the safest bet with their pick.

5 Galchenyuk - I don't think the Oilers can look past Galchenyuk if he has a good playoffs and based on his overall size and potential at C.

6 Dumba - talented but riskier dman now start becoming more sensible at this point.

7 Forsberg - best regarded prospect in Europe would likely be higher up the Oilers list than most of us think.

8 Ceci - another all around safe type pick.

9 Reinhart - Local boy with a lot of potential would likely be high on their list but other side of the coin is they probably know him inside out as well and potential lower ceiling may put him lower on the list than some might think.

10 Faksa - Another talented C I think they'd find hard to pass up if they somehow had another pick in the top 10.

11 Rielly - I think the fear that he'd be too one dimensional would keep him from being too high on their list. The Klefbom and Musil picks last year make me think they are conservative when it comes to dman choices.

If I had to pick one "wild card player" who might be a lot higher on the Oilers list than many would think (even challenging for somewhere in the top 10 on their scouting lists)... I'd say it might be Olli Maatta. I think he plays that prototypical solid all around game and has good size that they covet on D.

Again that's just my current rough gut feel of how the Oilers scouts/management might currently rank all the top prospects. Interested in how others would see the Oilers ranking the top 10 top picks or so.
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Anything coming out of the Oilers braintrust?

edit: I know it is an oxymoron.
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i would say that he is a defender that relies upon positioning and skating ability, rather than brute strength and power... i don't want to make it sound like i'm in the "murray camp" though, because i honestly don't see a huge advantage to taking murray over dumba (or vice versa).... your comment was just absurdly biased is all
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How so?

Gagner IS more physical than Murray.

Murray is Tom Gilbert 2.0 when it comes to the physical game.
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Last year I was RNH or bust. This year im changing my mind every week This week its Murray.

After the lottery it will be easier to pick a fav i think.

And being soft isnt the end of the world. Yandle is, and hes good enough that no one seems to care.
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Another reason I want Grigorenko.
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So you want Grigorenko because Murray is soft. Please help me comprehend.
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Yandle, Fowler, Boyle, Keith, Lidstrom, Enstrom, Suter... All less hits than Gilbert.

We would kill to have any of those guys. Physical play doesnt make or break a dman unless thats all they got.. Everyone is in love with Suter, guy has 44 hits on the season!
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I want Grigorenko because the Oilers are a team full of midgets and soft hockey players.Mikhail Grigorenko helps in both and Ryan Murray scares me because he shows he is as soft as Tammy Gilbert.
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Grigorenko is shorter and smaller than Gilbert and plays just as soft or softer than both Gilbert and Murray.
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Is there a video available of how rock em sock em Grigorenko plays?
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Grigorenko is 6'3 and 200 pounds.
Gilbert is 6'3 and 206 pounds


In Grigorenko's future he could be 6'4 and 215-225 pounds.
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Hockeydb and the QMJHL both list him at 6'2'', my bad.

Not that Gilbert has played big for the majority of his career but has Grigorenko ever done this?





My point is that just because he is big does not automatically mean he doesn't play soft. Ponikarovsky is 6'4'' and Kurtis Foster is 6'5''. The main thing you look for is that he doesn't shy away from contact and can create space for himself.
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MPS is big too. I constantly read from those who watch him play on the prospects board is that Grig is kinda soft. He may be big, but he doesnt really use it.
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The info I'm using is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Grigorenko which says he is 6'3.
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Grigorenko is busy scoring goals.
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As well who would like to see a 1-2 punch down the middle.Looking back we haven't seen that since Gretzky and Messier.
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is he tom gilbert in that he is a pansy or is he more jeff petry in that he will add the physical element as he progresses?

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He has 1 goal in the playoffs so far, and a few secondary assists. Doesnt seem that busy. I wouldnt mind drafting him, im not a hater, but your overrating him, and underrating others.

Just like how you did with a prospect last year... Hows Larsson playing from the pressbox bud?
Adam Larsson will learn and get better in the years ahead.Everyone knows it takes a much longer time to develop a defenceman.

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Padding the thread post count so that hopefully Nick Ebert at #3 disappears soon...





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At this point I think it's time for the Multiple choice poll:
Would you be DISAPPOINTED if we drafted any of the following:
Yakupov
Grigorenko
Murray
Dumba
Forberg
Galchenyuk
(with possibly Trouba, Rielly, Reinhart as options)

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Adam Larsson will learn and get better in the years ahead.Everyone knows it takes a much longer time to develop a defenceman.
Maybe he needs more time to develop, but people have been saying that about Hedman since his rookie year too... And I like Hedman, hes a a NHL dman no doubt, but hes never going to live up to that pick.

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At this point I think it's time for the Multiple choice poll:
Would you be DISAPPOINTED if we drafted any of the following:
Yakupov
Grigorenko
Murray
Dumba
Forberg
Galchenyuk
(with possibly Trouba, Rielly, Reinhart as options)
If we get Yakupov, I won't be disappointed by any means, but I sure will be confused as to where the team goes from there. Unless the guy feels as comfortable on LW as he does on right, you're left with Hemsky, Eberle, and Yakupov on that right side. Eberle is not getting traded by any means, and Hemsky just signed a new deal. Do you start the guy at a position he isn't comfortable with? Do you look to trade Hemsky? At what point in the season?

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Maybe he needs more time to develop, but people have been saying that about Hedman since his rookie year too... And I like Hedman, hes a a NHL dman no doubt, but hes never going to live up to that pick.
If he isn't already he will be very soon.

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At this point I think it's time for the Multiple choice poll:
Would you be DISAPPOINTED if we drafted any of the following:
Yakupov
Grigorenko
Murray
Dumba
Forberg
Galchenyuk
(with possibly Trouba, Rielly, Reinhart as options)
Only against Forsberg. Nothing wrong with him as a prospect. But with soo many weaknesses, we cant pick a winger unless hes a surefire star, like Yakupov. I dont think theres any guarantee Forsberg will be.

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If he isn't already he will be very soon.
Hedman has lived up to #2, in what world? If Tampa were offered a do over they would take it in a heartbeat

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Hedman has lived up to #2, in what world?
In Tampa's, for starters.

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If we get Yakupov, I won't be disappointed by any means, but I sure will be confused as to where the team goes from there. Unless the guy feels as comfortable on LW as he does on right, you're left with Hemsky, Eberle, and Yakupov on that right side. Eberle is not getting traded by any means, and Hemsky just signed a new deal. Do you start the guy at a position he isn't comfortable with? Do you look to trade Hemsky? At what point in the season?
You "cope" with the depth that Yakupov would bring to the lineup. I have no doubt there would be injuries every year so slotting him in wouldn't be a problem.

Hell if it becomes that big a problem that they have too much talent on the top lines... trade him away for a top dman.

Adding Yakupov would be a sick addition and would give the offense and PP another dimension. With talent like that you don't have to worry about him finding a suitable spot in the lineup.

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I don't watch the QMJHL a lot, but is Grigs as big and physical as oilerfan11 makes him seem? I thought he was big like MPS, but doesn't really use his size to hit or punish people.

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At this point I think it's time for the Multiple choice poll:
Would you be DISAPPOINTED if we drafted any of the following:
Yakupov
Grigorenko
Murray
Dumba
Forberg
Galchenyuk
(with possibly Trouba, Rielly, Reinhart as options)
no probably not.

I'd throw Faksa in there, and Gaunce, and Ceci...and Gus.

at 2nd or 3rd I'd expect them to take Grigs or Murray...but they all seem like great prospects (in the top 10-15).

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I understand most of you haven't seen Forsberg much except in wjc's and stats? Here is some highlights from him if you guys haven't seen. He will be a good one, I mean just look at his name


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hGI030D774


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I don't watch the QMJHL a lot, but is Grigs as big and physical as oilerfan11 makes him seem? I thought he was big like MPS, but doesn't really use his size to hit or punish people.
I've seen him lay some hits but I don't recall seeing him in a single fight.

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I don't watch the QMJHL a lot, but is Grigs as big and physical as oilerfan11 makes him seem? I thought he was big like MPS, but doesn't really use his size to hit or punish people.
He uses his body to shield the puck really well, but he definitely doesn't use his size to punish anyone.

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Here is a paragraph talking about Mikhail Grigorenko that I found.


Grigorenko utilizes that size well and is very difficult to move off the puck, showcasing excellent balance. He’s not an overly-physical player but he’s shown a willingness to take hits to make plays (and throw some significant checks of his own). He’s got a superlative release on his wrister and is more than willing to employ a very effective one-timer as well.




Projection: Franchise Center (40g, 100p potential)


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After reading the above synopsis on the top rated draftees, if the oilers slide far enough down the draft order that we are looking at a defenceman, why wouldn't we draft Dumba? Granted I have only seen him play a very little bit but it seems like he has the attributes that the Oilers need. Is it a size thing to rank him lower than Murray who I might add reminds me of CFP?

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After reading the above synopsis on the top rated draftees, if the oilers slide far enough down the draft order that we are looking at a defenceman, why wouldn't we draft Dumba? Granted I have only seen him play a very little bit but it seems like he has the attributes that the Oilers need. Is it a size thing to rank him lower than Murray who I might add reminds me of CFP?
There's definitely lots of us who would prefer Dumba over Murray.


There isn't too much difference in size between the two.

Murray is 6'0.5'' 201lbs and Dumba, who is 10 months younger, is 5'11.75'' 183lbs.

They'll both probably be playing around the same size eventually.

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In Tampa's, for starters.
BS. Even if your just going by Dmen, Tampa would take OEL over Hedman now. Anyone would. I would take Kulikov too.

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BS. Even if your just going by Dmen, Tampa would take OEL over Hedman now. Anyone would. I would take Kulikov too.
Did you watch Tampa in the play-offs last year?

I'd take Hedman over those two without even the slightest hesitation.

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Did you watch Tampa in the play-offs last year?

I'd take Hedman over those two without even the slightest hesitation.
Tampa is my 2nd team, I watch them a lot more than in just those playoffs.

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