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03-30-2012, 10:18 PM
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Agreed. Those two guys is really what I'm hoping for.
Not sure about Roy as the coach though, rather get Robinson in here.
Robinson would be a good choice. I'd like someone that has something in common with the candidates I have jotted down for the GM status - experience in the NHL. I think Roy would be an amazing coach in the NHL one day, just not here. After the glory and the cheering on opening night at the Bell Centre, if things start to take a dip and the Habs slide down the standings like this year, not only will the media start it's usual frenzy but Roy himself will start acting up - both behind the bench and in front of cameras after games.

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I wouldn't mind that, guess it'll be up to the GM. But what we really need to do is actually employ someone that is in charge of player development. I know Timmins has that title, but I'm not sure he actually does it, he seems to just be the head scout.
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Position: DIRECTOR OF PROCUREMENT AND PLAYER DEVELOPMENT
Trevor Timmins enters his 11th season with the Montreal Canadiens. He is primarily responsible for overseeing and directing the Canadiens’ amateur scouting system, including the annual NHL Entry Draft and amateur free-agent recruitment.

In addition, Timmins is responsible for both of the club’s summer development and rookie camps. He also oversees the development of the Canadiens prospects in Hamilton and the club’s amateur prospects. Trevor also supervises the annual NHL combine, as well as the Canadiens’ own combine, a pre-draft player evaluation process.

Timmins starts his 20th season in the NHL. He worked with the Ottawa Senators from 1992 through the 2001-02 season. From 1999 to 2002, he was the team’s Director of Hockey Operations. He was responsible for the Scouting Department, the minor league affiliate, budgeting, and the daily operation of the Hockey Department.

He has also held the positions of Scouting Coordinator, Strength and Conditioning Coach and Director of Team Services with the Senators. Timmins is a graduate of Queen’s University in Physical Education. He also completed a Master of Business Administration (Queen’s) and a Master’s degree in Sports Administration at the University of Ottawa. He was born on January 5, 1968, in Almonte, Ontario.

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03-30-2012, 10:23 PM
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Timmins has that role right now but I would rather him concentrate on finding talents and hire someone specifically for player development and to follow and guide our prospects on a more personal basis (on ice and off ice). Someone like Piton Ruel if you were there to remember...

A guy like Gaston Gingras could fit the bill. He's usually there at every development camp and seems to know our prospects. I'd like for us to hire someone like that on a fulltime basis.

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03-30-2012, 10:24 PM
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Timmins has that role right now but I would rather him concentrate on finding talents and hire someone specifically for player development and to follow and guide our prospects on a more personal basis (on ice and off ice). Someone like Piton Ruel if you were there to remember...
That's the thing though, trevor has 20 years of NHL experience in scouting, developmen and operations. The guy is 'billingual' and has great vision. Instead of closing him into what he's good at, the guy should be groomed for our next GM position IMO.

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Trevor Timmins
Again, I'm not sure how much he really is involved in the development of our players.

Our player development has been pretty darn terrible.

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Is anyone else getting annoyed with CTV's Brian Wilde's seeming "campaign" to ensure that Patrick Roy isn't the Habs next coach? I use the term campaign loosely of course since it's not like Brian Wilde has any influence in the final decision but he seems to be trying to convince everyone the Roy is the devil. He has a real hate-on for the guy that seems somewhat displaced. He's making it out to be some anglo vs. franco thing where Roy only has the support of the francophone population which I feel is completely untrue. All my anglo friends are big supporters of P. Roy becoming the next coach.

The other one I don't get is Francois Gagnon's campaign for Vinny Damphousse as GM. That one makes even less sense.

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I wonder if Scotty Bowman would get a call or even consider the role. The guy IS winning hockey and literally a living legend. Not
Quite sure what his relationship is with the Habs but if there's a more knowledgable hockey person on the planet, I'd like to meet him and throw his name into contention as well.
Scotty Bowman GM
Pierre McGuire AGM
Vincent Danphousse Player Development
Head coach ???
All bilingual, great knowledge and experience. Can't see much wrong with this list.
I'd replace Vincent with Blair Mackasey

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Again, I'm not sure how much he really is involved in the development of our players.

Our player development has been pretty darn terrible.
Depends how you define player development. Pretty sure timmins is the guy when they are overseas or in juniors. I believe, once they are signed and play at close range to the GM in montreal or hamilton, he has less involvement.

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03-30-2012, 10:45 PM
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Is Ken Dryden an option? I haven't heard his name mentioned. He's an extremely bright man and was GM of the Leafs for a short period.

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Is Ken Dryden an option? I haven't heard his name mentioned. He's an extremely bright man and was GM of the Leafs for a short period.
i was wondering the same thing. He does bring lots of knowledge to the table

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Is Ken Dryden an option? I haven't heard his name mentioned. He's an extremely bright man and was GM of the Leafs for a short period.
Rather him as advisor.

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Again, I'm not sure how much he really is involved in the development of our players.

Our player development has been pretty darn terrible.
I disagree. IMO the problem with some young players has been finding the role that suits them best in the NHL. I don't think that's the same as the development that Timmins is responsible for. Sergei Kostitsyn, for example, was developed into a fine player, just not put into a role that maximized his talents while with the NHL Habs. Same with Grabovski, D'Agostini... their development in Hamilton and elsewhere HELPED them become the NHL'ers they are now.

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That's the thing though, trevor has 20 years of NHL experience in scouting, developmen and operations. The guy is 'billingual' and has great vision. Instead of closing him into what he's good at, the guy should be groomed for our next GM position IMO.
Ya why let him do what he is good at when we can try and shoehorn him into something he might be terrible at? Hey maybe Price wants to play centre? He is a good goalie but maybe he is the superstar centre we always wanted!

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I disagree. IMO the problem with some young players has been finding the role that suits them best in the NHL. I don't think that's the same as the development that Timmins is responsible for. Sergei Kostitsyn, for example, was developed into a fine player, just not put into a role that maximized his talents while with the NHL Habs. Same with Grabovski, D'Agostini... their development in Hamilton and elsewhere HELPED them become the NHL'ers they are now.
I agree with this 100%

Think of the hot starts Sergei, Dago, Latendresse, Lapierre, and even O'Byrne had when they first came up. They never sustained it.

Their minor league development and coaching was fine.

The NHL work done with them after they arrived was sub par

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I think a poll should be made if there isn't one already with the candidates and see how the majority rules

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Ya why let him do what he is good at when we can try and shoehorn him into something he might be terrible at? Hey maybe Price wants to play centre? He is a good goalie but maybe he is the superstar centre we always wanted!
Except timmins has experience of operations and contracts at NHL level.

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We need the best man for the job...PERIOD. Why would you eliminate 80% of the available candidates because they don't speak french? Tired of the inferiority language complex, after all how many European soccer clubs have coaches who don't speak the language. Maybe Nill or Fenton?

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That's the thing though, trevor has 20 years of NHL experience in scouting, developmen and operations. The guy is 'billingual' and has great vision. Instead of closing him into what he's good at, the guy should be groomed for our next GM position IMO.
First he's not billingual.

Second, for many he is seen as someone that was weak in the aspect of bringing in french talent. Getting him would be a public relation nightmare.

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Is Ken Dryden an option? I haven't heard his name mentioned. He's an extremely bright man and was GM of the Leafs for a short period.
Mr. Peace and Love? No way. I want someone that would come in accepting that hockey is also a physical game.

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GREAT ROY AND DRYDEN BOTH ON THE TEAM.One quit the team for one whole year and the other quit in mid season.Dryden was hired in Toronto to clean up the tragedy that happened.Pat quin was the real hockey man in toronto.Dryden was respected in the dressing room but was never very popular.Even in 72 Canada russia series many did not care for his political correct views

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I don't know if it was reported, but talking to Michel Villeneuve on the radio yesterday, Michel Bergeron said he would like to have a talk with Geoff Molson and Serge Savard over either job...

That's insane, and I haven't heard of anyone who thought this was a good idea. Didn't he almost have a heart attack doing that reality TV hockey show?

That would also mean that he would try to land a job in Quebec too....
Holly **** this whole process will become a circus sooner than later.

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Is Ken Dryden an option? I haven't heard his name mentioned. He's an extremely bright man and was GM of the Leafs for a short period.
He was President of the leafs, Never GM, the rumour was he wanted Gainey in Toronto, but was forced to Quinn instead by ownership, after Quinn Drydan hired Ferguson- who does speak french

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First he's not billingual.

Second, for many he is seen as someone that was weak in the aspect of bringing in french talent. Getting him would be a public relation nightmare.
He spends more than a little time in quebec scouting so I don't see the problem. Not like the Q is bringing in players like it used to.

Also, I never said him as GM. I said him as assistant GM and that he also fits the bill as he speaks some french and can communicate as well. Maybe he'll learn more over time.

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He spends more than a little time in quebec scouting so I don't see the problem. Not like the Q is bringing in players like it used to.

Also, I never said him as GM. I said him as assistant GM and that he also fits the bill as he speaks some french and can communicate as well. Maybe he'll learn more over time.
I definitly think Timmins as assistant GM would be great. He has a great eye for talent.

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