Red Line have Morgan Rielly at 6. I really love that kid at last year U18. If he's droping outside of the top 10 because of his knee, I would like the B's to make a deal and grab him. I know it's wishfull thinking
Also, I read he's suppose to be back for the 2nd round in the Dub. I suppose there's now even less chance he slip.
In response to some of the comments regarding Nieves as "falling"...Here are some data points on Nieves to help with your assessment;
He played ~ 7-8 of his last games at Kent with a mildly separated shoulder...good indication of his commitment and toughness that has developed over the last couple of years.
Since joining the Indiana Ice with the USHL in March, he has 3 goals (1 overtime), 5 assists in 8 games...while playing wing - his natural position is center. I suspect he would have 4 or more additional points if he were at center. His last performance versus NTDP yielded 2 goals in a 5-4 shootout...a good barometer against his peer group. His ppg average is better than all of his peer group - we'll see if he can maintain that clip...
Now that he is with the Ice he is getting structured coaching with a group of players who complement his natural abilities and his production in the first eight games are a very good indication of his true capabilities and an indication of his ability to acclimate quickly.
Nieves is still growing into his frame (6-3, 185 lbs.) and will be ~ 210 - 215 lbs when all is said and done. Suffice to say a number of his peers are already done growing, but Nieves is still evolving physically. His combination of size, speed, playmaking, and his scoring (he is now with a team that moves the puck effectively so his shot opportunities will rise) make him a highly valuable resource as he physically matures. Add to this the coaching and peer group he will be surrounded by and his upside is quite large.
In response to some of the comments regarding Nieves as "falling"...Here are some data points on Nieves to help with your assessment;
He played ~ 7-8 of his last games at Kent with a mildly separated shoulder...good indication of his commitment and toughness that has developed over the last couple of years.
Since joining the Indiana Ice with the USHL in March, he has 3 goals (1 overtime), 5 assists in 8 games...while playing wing - his natural position is center. I suspect he would have 4 or more additional points if he were at center. His last performance versus NTDP yielded 2 goals in a 5-4 shootout...a good barometer against his peer group. His ppg average is better than all of his peer group - we'll see if he can maintain that clip...
Now that he is with the Ice he is getting structured coaching with a group of players who complement his natural abilities and his production in the first eight games are a very good indication of his true capabilities and an indication of his ability to acclimate quickly.
Nieves is still growing into his frame (6-3, 185 lbs.) and will be ~ 210 - 215 lbs when all is said and done. Suffice to say a number of his peers are already done growing, but Nieves is still evolving physically. His combination of size, speed, playmaking, and his scoring (he is now with a team that moves the puck effectively so his shot opportunities will rise) make him a highly valuable resource as he physically matures. Add to this the coaching and peer group he will be surrounded by and his upside is quite large.
Since you just joined seemingly with the creation of the Nieves mention, do you know him personally?
I have known the family for several years and had the opportunity to see Boo play midget hockey, then transition to Prep School and caught a couple USHL webcasts. Update - 11 games, 10 points with the Indiana Ice (11 if you include shootout goal). He continues to statistically be near or at the top of his peer group (94' birth year) when looking at PPG...and still is not playing center - his natural position. Many of the scouts who followed him in prep school now see he is producing at a higher level of play. He also did well with the U18 team in Czech over the summer.
I think there is a bit more than "sizzle" to the young mans game.
So I've been absent this thread for a few months. What's the general consensus that we think the bruins should go after? Forward? Defense? Goaltender ?
Dalton Thrower would be fantastic, Colton Sissons is another one I'd love. Wishful thinking because they are mocked 15-20 range
So I've been absent this thread for a few months. What's the general consensus that we think the bruins should go after? Forward? Defense? Goaltender ?
Dalton Thrower would be fantastic, Colton Sissons is another one I'd love. Wishful thinking because they are mocked 15-20 range
Things may have changed since I read this, but I'm pretty sure there were a few people who said Thrower should go around 30, just based on who should be available up to that point.
Things may have changed since I read this, but I'm pretty sure there were a few people who said Thrower should go around 30, just based on who should be available up to that point.
i would love for the Bruins to take him. With our great forward prospect depth we could use another defenseman. hes a hard nosed DFD that fights. and his name is the best name ever
ISS has Colton Sissons as #23 overall. He sounds like a perfect fit for the B's. Says he models himself after Ryan Kesler and Mike Richards...two players who I have always loved to hate...but would equally love ot have on my team.
ISS has Colton Sissons as #23 overall. He sounds like a perfect fit for the B's. Says he models himself after Ryan Kesler and Mike Richards...two players who I have always loved to hate...but would equally love ot have on my team.
So I've been absent this thread for a few months. What's the general consensus that we think the bruins should go after? Forward? Defense? Goaltender ?
Dalton Thrower would be fantastic, Colton Sissons is another one I'd love. Wishful thinking because they are mocked 15-20 range
Since the F/D available at our spot will be pretty weak, they should draft G Andrei Vasilevski.
Since the F/D available at our spot will be pretty weak, they should draft G Andrei Vasilevski.
I'd be very surprised if the Bruins use a high pick on a goalie. In fact, if it comes to pass, I'll eat my hat.
It's just not their M.O. to grab goalies early under Peter Chiarelli- earliest pick they've done that with is 77th on Mike Hutchinson, and he hasn't exactly inspired them to repeat the same. That said- he was much better this season once he got on track and finished extremely strong in Providence.
2007- no goalies
2008- Hutch, 77th
2009- no goalies
2010- Gothberg, 165th
2011- Volden, 181st
Every year, we seem to go through this-- (the Bruins should pick a goalie with 1st or 2nd choice) and every year I say the same thing: No, they aren't going to do that. They simply don't need to do that.
And I get all the excitement of Vasilevski and Malcolm Subban, I really do. But until someone here can explain in convincing fashion why the Bruins would spend a 25-30 pick on a guy who in all likelihood isn't going to be ready to even compete for an NHL job for 3 or so years...I think it's a waste of time and space here.
And I get all the excitement of Vasilevski and Malcolm Subban, I really do. But until someone here can explain in convincing fashion why the Bruins would spend a 25-30 pick on a guy who in all likelihood isn't going to be ready to even compete for an NHL job for 3 or so years...I think it's a waste of time and space here.
I don't necessarily disagree with your opinion on drafting a Goalie but can't you honestly say this about anybody that Boston this year picks regardless of position. I still say that good teams draft the BPA unless you really have a specific need to fill.
I have a quick question I am unsure about. If the Bruins should lose Wed. (obv. I hope not) with Vancouver losing and Pittsburgh losing around which # would the Bruins be picking in the first round it would have to be right around #20 correct?
I have a quick question I am unsure about. If the Bruins should lose Wed. (obv. I hope not) with Vancouver losing and Pittsburgh losing around which # would the Bruins be picking in the first round it would have to be right around #20 correct?
I think the earliest the Bruins could pick is 23 (if NYR, and STL both were to lose before the Conf finals). But I am still making plans based on 30
In terms of passing on Scissons because of his lack of upside I guess it is possible, but there is a lot there to like. I guess it boils down to how much you believe he can work on his skating, etc.
There are going to be flaws in the game of anyone who drops down to where the Bruins will be picking, whether that means an injury history, or a hitch in the skating, or questionable work ethic, etc.
I have a quick question I am unsure about. If the Bruins should lose Wed. (obv. I hope not) with Vancouver losing and Pittsburgh losing around which # would the Bruins be picking in the first round it would have to be right around #20 correct?
The last 4 teams in the playoffs go #27-30. The conference leaders (outside of the previous group) go before that from #21-26. Since Boston finished higher than Florida that means #22 would be the highest. They may have finished better than the western 3rd team, I didn't check.
I don't necessarily disagree with your opinion on drafting a Goalie but can't you honestly say this about anybody that Boston this year picks regardless of position. I still say that good teams draft the BPA unless you really have a specific need to fill.
Maybe, maybe not.
3 years for a goalie is probably the most optimistic projection. More like 5...it took Tuukka Rask 4 full four seasons from the time he was drafted, and he was a 1st rounder.
The last 4 teams in the playoffs go #27-30. The conference leaders (outside of the previous group) go before that from #21-26. Since Boston finished higher than Florida that means #22 would be the highest. They may have finished better than the western 3rd team, I didn't check.
My mistake as I thought it went like this:
1 to 14 - teams that didn't make the Playoffs
15 to 22 - teams knocked out in the 1st round ( seeded by points )
23 to 26 - teams knocked out in Conference Semi-Finals ( seeded by points )
27 and 28 - teams knocked out in Conference Finals ( seeded by points )
29 - team that loses Stanley Cup Final
30 - team that wins Stanley Cup Final
Screw it anyway - Boston will be picking in the 30th spot once again at this Draft unless the pick gets moved.
3 years for a goalie is probably the most optimistic projection. More like 5...it took Tuukka Rask 4 full four seasons from the time he was drafted, and he was a 1st rounder.
I agree with you Kirk and do not expect the Bruins to pick a goalie in the first round. i think that is partially because they feel they may have something between Volden and Gothberg, and I think partially because histroy has shown the best method of getting a goalie is volume. Draft one in the late rounds pretty much every year, as the success rate for high round goalies just isn't that much better than low round goalies.
Honestly though I don't expect whoever they pick in the first round to see more than spot duty before the 2015/2016 season, and quite possibly the 2016/2017 season. Now certainly I could be wrong, there are probably some later first round candiates who are closer to NHL ready than higher picks, they may not have the upside, but they have games that translate more quickly. Either way I would suspect anyone the Bruins pick to need 2 more years in the AHL/College, and then at least a year or two of AHL development before seeing significant ice time in Boston
Honestly though I don't expect whoever they pick in the first round to see more than spot duty before the 2015/2016 season, and quite possibly the 2016/2017 season. Now certainly I could be wrong, there are probably some later first round candiates who are closer to NHL ready than higher picks, they may not have the upside, but they have games that translate more quickly. Either way I would suspect anyone the Bruins pick to need 2 more years in the AHL/College, and then at least a year or two of AHL development before seeing significant ice time in Boston
I don't disagree Mike, but did anyone see Milan Lucic cracking the NHL roster in just the second season after B's "reached" for him?
Your points are all valid ones, but with more spots to be had at F and D, the players have better odds of making it sooner rather than later.
And that's the bigger point here. Why spend a high pick on a goalie who, even if he's a "high-ender" and I put that in quotes because we've seen more and more guys who fit that description at 18 not wearing it as well at 20 and beyond, when you can take a skill position player who has a better chance of contributing earlier right out of the gate?
True, it's funny because I see the guys we discard as not high enough ceiling as also potentially being the guys who could make it quicker. I am no expert on the draft, but I read up on Scissons, and he really does sound like the type of guy who if he works on the skating some could come in and contribute to a 3rd or 4th line very quickly. Just a solid two way player who hits and works his tail off on defense.
