I would agree with Dojji here. It's not like they've totally solved their goaltending issues but they have taken a large step forward to mitigate them. There's more to do but their biggest problem is defense. They get into serious trouble if a team is able to solve/penetrate Tampa's 1-3-1 system, which was a big part of their defeat during last season's playoffs. CJ was able to get the Bs to forecheck quickly and effectively enough that Tampa's defense became overwhelmed. If the one guy can't win the race to the puck Tampa gets into trouble quickly due to their poor d-corps.
What steps has Tampa taken to mitigate their goaltending issues? If you know those steps, then I'm sure Steve Yzerman would like to be clued in as well.
The D-core that is so porous this year, was good enough to be in the ECF last year. My overall point to begin with was that Tampa has tremendous skill upfront, yet struggles because of their lack of goaltending, sure D has something to do with obviously...but you can't tell me that Tampa team wouldn't be in playoff contention if they were getting the same goaltending from Roloson as they were last year, or if they had a competent young goalie such as Rask.
My ultimate point was that the Bruins should think twice before dealing away Rask in order to add more skill up front.
My ultimate point was that the Bruins should think twice before dealing away Rask in order to add more skill up front.
We will probably have to agree to disagree, but Roloson has done a pretty fair job. Again, he's not their answer, but he's way ahead of anyone they've had in net since 'Bulin. I will agree they need a longer term solution. But their defense is neither solid nor reliable.
As far as Rask goes, I probably wouldn't trade him for anyone. Including him as a piece in a trade would be considered by me to be too expensive. As a general rule I don't subscribe to the rule that anyone is tradeable for the right return, because in most of those instances the right return is a fantasy return and not based in any reality.
To me, the question is, is the team better following a trade? To me, in practically all cases where Rask is spoken of as a trading piece in a somewhat realistic trade, the answer is almost always no. I say this because Rask is such a central piece in the Bruins' goaltending plan that his loss weakens the team, regardless of what the team gets in return.
As far as Rask goes, I probably wouldn't trade him for anyone. Including him as a piece in a trade would be considered by me to be too expensive. As a general rule I don't subscribe to the rule that anyone is tradeable for the right return, because in most of those instances the right return is a fantasy return and not based in any reality.
To me, the question is, is the team better following a trade? To me, in practically all cases where Rask is spoken of as a trading piece in a somewhat realistic trade, the answer is almost always no. I say this because Rask is such a central piece in the Bruins' goaltending plan that his loss weakens the team, regardless of what the team gets in return.
That's my take.
Regg, you nailed it there.
You don't make trades because you have depth at a position. You make trades to make your team better.
Look what happened when Rask went down. Just think of what would happen is Thomas went down for an extended period of time. Khodobbin may be a suitable backup, but do you really want him as your everyday starter for an extended period of time, no. Not on a team that wants to challenge for the cup.
We will probably have to agree to disagree, but Roloson has done a pretty fair job. Again, he's not their answer, but he's way ahead of anyone they've had in net since 'Bulin. I will agree they need a longer term solution. But their defense is neither solid nor reliable.
As far as Rask goes, I probably wouldn't trade him for anyone. Including him as a piece in a trade would be considered by me to be too expensive. As a general rule I don't subscribe to the rule that anyone is tradeable for the right return, because in most of those instances the right return is a fantasy return and not based in any reality.
To me, the question is, is the team better following a trade? To me, in practically all cases where Rask is spoken of as a trading piece in a somewhat realistic trade, the answer is almost always no. I say this because Rask is such a central piece in the Bruins' goaltending plan that his loss weakens the team, regardless of what the team gets in return.
That's my take.
Agreed. Unless the team was able to acquire a Corey Schneider (won't happen) then the trade can't be made. Rask is going to be here for a long time...I think Chia has made that pretty clear with his comments.
bahahahaha If Rask were in draft he easily be 1st overall pick,I would nit give him up for top 3 picks,in this weak draft,Bruins trade hi they deserve to sit in basement for yrs,They have nothing in pipeline nhl near ready,Enough said,
bahahahaha If Rask were in draft he easily be 1st overall pick,I would nit give him up for top 3 picks,in this weak draft,Bruins trade hi they deserve to sit in basement for yrs,They have nothing in pipeline nhl near ready,Enough said,
bahahahaha If Rask were in draft he easily be 1st overall pick,I would nit give him up for top 3 picks,in this weak draft,Bruins trade hi they deserve to sit in basement for yrs,They have nothing in pipeline nhl near ready,Enough said,
bahahahaha If Rask were in draft he easily be 1st overall pick,I would nit give him up for top 3 picks,in this weak draft,Bruins trade hi they deserve to sit in basement for yrs,They have nothing in pipeline nhl near ready,Enough said,
If this rumor is true columbus would b doing the right thing for their org. It will take ,rask, our 1st round and one of spooner, knight or koko. i say yes. two reasons. khudobin , looks like an nhl goalie. Plus timmy has two years to go. 2nd, yakupov or grigrenko would set our teams future.
If this rumor is true columbus would b doing the right thing for their org. It will take ,rask, our 1st round and one of spooner, knight or koko. i say yes. two reasons. khudobin , looks like an nhl goalie. Plus timmy has two years to go. 2nd, yakupov or grigrenko would set our teams future.
absolutely no thanks on taking Grigorenko #1 overall. Yakupov is a sure thing in this draft. Grigs has many questions about his drive. he takes games off (michael ryder) and is a center (were very deep at C)
Yakupov is a dynamic winger
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bahahahaha If Rask were in draft he easily be 1st overall pick,I would nit give him up for top 3 picks,in this weak draft,Bruins trade hi they deserve to sit in basement for yrs,They have nothing in pipeline nhl near ready,Enough said,
absolutely no thanks on taking Grigorenko #1 overall. Yakupov is a sure thing in this draft. Grigs has many questions about his drive. he takes games off (michael ryder) and is a center (were very deep at C)
Yakupov is a dynamic winger
Is it yakupov or nothing for u? How about others like dumba, galchenyuk, forsberg?
Is it yakupov or nothing for u? How about others like dumba, galchenyuk, forsberg?
are you talking about with the #1 overall pick? if so then yes, Yakupov is the clear cut #1, think Ovechkin in 2004 (who hes compared too).
the rest of those names could be great, but but Yakupov's bust factor is extremely low compared to the others. Unless some bizarre injury happens hes the sure fire #1 player this year. Iv'e been following this years prospects very closely.
Grigorenko has questions about his drive and work ethic
Galchenyuk missed the whole year with an acl tear
Forsberg and Dumba just arent as talented as Yakupov
Yakupov is an elite offensive talent, explosive skater, and isn't weak in any one area. The only knock is his size (5'11 190), He doesn't shy away from contact and will deliver the big hit. He has made it clear he wants to play in the NHL next year, not the KHL. He will have an immediate impact on whoever drafts him.
Thats my mini-analysis haha
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Didn't know whether to post this as a rumor or a proposal...
Rumors floating around that Columbus might be willing to part with the 1st overall pick (they've never had any luck drafting Russians) for a young stud #1 goalie.
Would this be something the the Bruins should consider?
Rask (I would think Columbus would want our first as well)
for
Nail Yakupov or Mikhail Grigorenko?
We would have to get a backup goalie in return who is capable of supporting Thomas, which would be Steve Mason in any Columbus trade. Mason may be able to redeem himself as a good goalie, but I doubt that will happen in Columbus.
Rask + B's 2nd or 3rd round pick + Spooner or Knight for Columbus first and Mason? (I really don't want to give up our first rounder)
Not sure I'd do it as I think Rask is a premiere #1 goalie for years to come and I have no idea where we'd find another. On the other hand, if the top two picks are as good as they are being billed, I'm not sure you can say no.
Imagine in 5 years a core of Seguin and Yakupov of front with Dougie Hamilton leading the back end and all still very young. The B's will be a force for a very long time!
we would have to get a backup goalie in return who is capable of supporting thomas, which would be steve mason in any columbus trade. Mason may be able to redeem himself as a good goalie, but i doubt that will happen in columbus.
Rask + b's 2nd or 3rd round pick + spooner or knight for columbus first and mason? (i really don't want to give up our first rounder)
not sure i'd do it as i think rask is a premiere #1 goalie for years to come and i have no idea where we'd find another. On the other hand, if the top two picks are as good as they are being billed, i'm not sure you can say no.
imagine in 5 years a core of seguin and yakupov of front with dougie hamilton leading the back end and all still very young. the b's will be a force for a very long time!
Rask and Hamilton along with someone else/our 1st? I'm sure it'd be A LOT more than Rask for a one out of two prospects that likely have the best potential since Crosby.
I look at a team like the Flyers... And with ALL of that talent they've had and have up front over the years. And they can't win a Cup. And then they feel they have to go to the extreme of giving Bryzgalov fifty million in order to stabilize the position. It's insane. And unfortunate for their fans.
The solution for many years between the pipes for the Bruins, is already in Boston. I don't think I'd wager that, even if the return is as great as a Yakubov has the potential to be. Perhaps that's too conservative for many... I don't really care. I value solidarity in that position higher than the potential of game-breaking offensive talent.
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I look at a team like the Flyers... And with ALL of that talent they've had and have up front over the years. And they can't win a Cup. And then they feel they have to go to the extreme of giving Bryzgalov fifty million in order to stabilize the position. It's insane. And unfortunate for their fans.
The solution for many years between the pipes for the Bruins, is already in Boston. I don't think I'd wager that, even if the return is as great as a Yakubov has the potential to be. Perhaps that's too conservative for many... I don't really care. I value solidarity in that position higher than game-breaking offensive talent.
Here here! Trade Rask and they will pay the price, no matter what the return. And when I hear it will take Rask, our 1st and one of Knight, Spooner or Koko...to get the first overall.....a Russian. Whhhaaaat!!
A Russian with the first overall pick? Will the NHL never learn. No thanks.
I'm sure they both are locks to play in the NHL, have houses over here, are can't miss...But no way.
Something always comes out of no where down the road. "Don't like N.America," "KHL comes calling," "mafia don extorts them."
Just wild stuff. I'm done with that...when talking about a 1st overall...
But none of it matters. Rask WILL get his shot in Boston IMO...and nothing will stop that. People question if he's the real deal...We are going to find out.
Baring another Cup run...The Bruins will not move forward with a pushing-40 Thomas in net. Rask is management's long term plan...and on-deck.
Yeah, because the last Russian #1 pick was such a bust. Can't believe nobody learned their lesson.
I'm not gonna argue with BruinsNeedaRussian on this one...lol...Too close to home...
I agree with you, to be honest, the Bruins do need a Russian. Just not with a top pick. Too dangerous. Even the can't miss guys miss sometimes...I'm not adding all the extra pitfalls to the equation...
I was hoping Alexandrov would be that PMD Dman we've all been waiting for...Instead he's "future considerations" kinda history. That's the risk you take...but ehh...Not with a #1.
