Berger: Columbus wants Gardiner, Kadri, and 2012 1st round pick in exchange for Rick Nash

[Jani8]

Originally Posted by dimi78

oops on Iginla don't think there is anymore is there?

Oh I know Seguin hasn't peaked but his skills and talent aren't limitless he's no Yzerman and he's no Toews + offensively he's no Kessel

We like to drool over what could have been and toss to the side what we do have as crap and what pisses me off what we do have is not that much older and is currently the better player between the 2 and getting better yet we dismiss that.

You don't think that it has anything to do with the system Seguin plays in? In Toronto Kessel gets a free pass in the defensive zone but in Claude Julien's system everyone is required to atleast to try playing a strong two-way game.

Kessel's icetime/game is 19:57 and Seguin's icetime/game is 17:00. That's 3 minutes less for Seguin.

Adjusted, if Seguin would play 19:57/game:

77 games 32 goals 43 assists = 75 points with +36

compared to Kessel's

79 games 37 goals 41 assists = 78 points with -12

Kessel has an edge in goals, as he should being an elite sniper, but offensively they look quite similar. Defensively, not so much.

[Leaf Lander]

not worth it

kadri colbourne and our 2nd

[Jani8]

Originally Posted by RogerRoeper

He's not at all. Let me guess, you see his +/- and assume he's great defensively?

I see his +/- and assume that he's bought the system they play in Boston AND excels in it. And that's the system that won them the Stanley Cup.

[theremedial]

Columbus Strait-Jackets?

[Stats01]

Originally Posted by Leaf Lander

not worth it

kadri colbourne and our 2nd

How about they don't go for it. And it's Colborne.

[MorriPage]

Hurry up, Howson. Trade Nash somewhere other than Toronto so all the Nash leg-humpers will shut the **** up.

[Sokil]

Originally Posted by LC

We aren't getting the Nash from 4 seasons ago, we're getting the one now who is bailing on his team and putting up 55 points.

This.

Nash is a shell of his former self and honestly, one of his bigger selling points would have been his veteran leadership presence...but you have to call into question his character when you look at how poorly he's dropped off in production and bailing on his team when the chips are down after signing a long-term contract commitment to the team

[pulkinator]

Originally Posted by Jani8

You don't think that it has anything to do with the system Seguin plays in? In Toronto Kessel gets a free pass in the defensive zone but in Claude Julien's system everyone is required to atleast to try playing a strong two-way game.

This.

And the fact that they are just a much stronger and better team.