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Bottom line people, Pittsburgh isn't willing to give up anything that we'd be interested in trading Seto for. Add in that we're not trading Seto and you have yourselves bad trading partners.
I agree with this. With the two major injuries to our other wingers (Latendesse / Bouchard), we better be getting something worth it for Seto.
I really like Seto (more than the average Wild fan) but I'd probably listen if the Pens offered Morrow. I know he has yet to play an NHL game but the Wild have an influx of forward talent, joining the roster this next year. And even with the concussions to Lats / Butch that if prospect of Morrow's ilk was offered for Seto, I wouldn't be upset if Fletcher worked out a trade. I say ilk because it doesn't sound like Morrow is going anywhere.
By the way, the Pens power play from the point is going to be deadly, once Morrow joins Letang back there.
Because if pretty recent history has taught you Wild fans anything, it's that it is probably better to see what you have when it's arrived than to assume you have the answer before it gets there.
Did you learn nothing from Gillies, Pouliot, and Sheppard?
I agree to an extent but that's a totally different regime. Watching (while limited viewing) this regime's drafted prospects (Bulmer, Zucker), these prospects look very promising. Coupled with the prospects, some more well-regarded, who have yet to even play a game in the NHL. It feels a lot different than 3-4 years ago.
Because if pretty recent history has taught you Wild fans anything, it's that it is probably better to see what you have when it's arrived than to assume you have the answer before it gets there.
Did you learn nothing from Gillies, Pouliot, and Sheppard?
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. I've watched a very good majority of Wild games since they became a team. I know all about those 3. I am well aware we have drafted poorly when we had Risebrough as the GM. I said that our prospects would have to show up for us to want to move Seto. Read my post again.
It wouldn't be a lottery pick but it'd be a 1st rounder at least. Staal is an top class center who is only playing on the 3rd line due to the fact that he has Crosby and Malkin in front of him. He would be more than capable at playing 2C or even 1C. Not that bad cap hit either.
I'm not sure why many Pens fans are are interested in Setoguchi. He's a good skater and has a decent shot but isn't that much of an upgrade on Tyler Kennedy to warrant giving up significant assets for him.
Other than one season playing with Thornton and being on the 1st PP unit, his career high is 41 points. Also, he is only half a year younger than Kennedy.
Why? Because he's strong, fast and has a wicked shot. Only thing he's lacking is the hockey IQ and the ability to keep consistent. Crosby/Malkin can make him into a 40 goal scorer at least, maybe even a 50. By the way, his career high is 31 goals and 65 points. Get your facts right.
I would also argue that Seto was added as a salary dump and was expendable with the emergence of Couture. The Sharks seem to have no problem moving guys they deem expendable...
Setoguchi was certainly not a salary dump. They re-signed him mere days before the trade for Burns. If they thought he wasn't worth that kind of contract, they wouldn't have re-signed him. The only reason they traded him is because that's what it took to get Burns, and the Sharks really wanted to strengthen the defense.
Here's a list of all the centers who are scoring goals at a better pace than Staal this year: Stamkos, Malkin, and Toews. That's it.
What's laughable is that some think a former lottery pick who's 23 years old, elite defensively, playoff proven, producing at a 35 goal and 65 point pace, and playing for a contender would be available for anything less.
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Good luck finding that winger for Crosby.
Durr, the Pens could never trade for a scoring winger without giving up a core piece, amirite?
Here's a list of all the centers who are scoring goals at a better pace than Staal this year: Stamkos, Malkin, and Toews. That's it.
What's laughable is that some think a former lottery pick who's 23 years old, elite defensively, playoff proven, producing at a 35 goal and 65 point pace, and playing for a contender would be available for anything less.
Durr, the Pens could never trade for a scoring winger without giving up a core piece, amirite?
The crux of the issue is that the Wild aren't in a position to move Seto at this point in time. Their forward prospects aren't ready (mostly unproven) at this stage to be trusted to fill that sort of void going into next season. If the Wild were to get a legit NHL top 6er in the offseason, yes the Wild could likely be in a better position to make some sort of "hockey trade" in terms of something near Seto-Martin. However, cross that bridge if/when they get there.
If the Wild were to move Setoguchi today, they'd need some real incentive to do it in my opinion. And that would need to come in the form of Despres or Morrow from my perspective. If Pens fans wouldn't be willing to do that, it's completely understandable. Just realize the other side of the coin as well. Setoguchi's value to this franchise just isn't placed on what he's done this season in a year with half of the team's top 6 out injured for the majority of the year. It has a lot to do with what they're building towards the future and how they see him fitting in with the type of prospects moving up.
I'm not the biggest fan of Seto but he fills a pretty integral need for this team given his skill set. The team would be foolish to move him at this stage for minimal gains until they have at least another year to evaluate his standing in this franchise.
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I mean, that statement..."on their top line"...hell, Pascal Dupuis, the resident "duct tape" of the Pens (literally used in every situation but goaltending), would be their best player.
Who?
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Why? Because he's strong, fast and has a wicked shot. Only thing he's lacking is the hockey IQ and the ability to keep consistent. Crosby/Malkin can make him into a 40 goal scorer at least, maybe even a 50. By the way, his career high is 31 goals and 65 points. Get your facts right.
Crosby and Malkin aren't that good that can make him into a 50 goal scorer and he wouldn't score 40 on the Pens either as he wouldn't play on the top PP unit.
It wouldn't be a lottery pick but it'd be a 1st rounder at least. Staal is an top class center who is only playing on the 3rd line due to the fact that he has Crosby and Malkin in front of him. He would be more than capable at playing 2C or even 1C. Not that bad cap hit either.
Please.
Any team that had Staal as their 2C would be looking for a 2C.
lol @ Staal for Setoguchi. you'll get a picture of Staal for Setoguchi. he will even sign it for you.
mad at what...?
I said something around would make the most sense. Doesn't mean 1 for 1. And otherwise, there isn't really much incentive for Minnesota... Setoguchi is a young winger.
The crux of the issue is that the Wild aren't in a position to move Seto at this point in time. Their forward prospects aren't ready (mostly unproven) at this stage to be trusted to fill that sort of void going into next season. If the Wild were to get a legit NHL top 6er in the offseason, yes the Wild could likely be in a better position to make some sort of "hockey trade" in terms of something near Seto-Martin. However, cross that bridge if/when they get there.
If the Wild were to move Setoguchi today, they'd need some real incentive to do it in my opinion. And that would need to come in the form of Despres or Morrow from my perspective. If Pens fans wouldn't be willing to do that, it's completely understandable. Just realize the other side of the coin as well. Setoguchi's value to this franchise just isn't placed on what he's done this season in a year with half of the team's top 6 out injured for the majority of the year. It has a lot to do with what they're building towards the future and how they see him fitting in with the type of prospects moving up.
I'm not the biggest fan of Seto but he fills a pretty integral need for this team given his skill set. The team would be foolish to move him at this stage for minimal gains until they have at least another year to evaluate his standing in this franchise.
Please.
Any team that had Staal as their 2C would be looking for a 2C.
Are you out of your mind? Staal is an amazing #2 centre that can be a #1. When Johnasson is your #2 center you should'nt be talking about Staal. Secretly every caps fan wishs they had Staal on their team. Every fan wishs they had Staal on their team.
Staal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Johansso n AINEC
Any team that has Johansson as their 2C should be looking for a 2C
Please.
Any team that had Staal as their 2C would be looking for a 2C.
He has 46 points in 58 games. He would have been among the top 20 scorers at center had he not been injured, he's 11th among centers in goals despite missing those games (and don't try to slight him for durability, kid is 23 and has logged over 400 games already) and that's without top flight wingers to play with, that's without getting the bulk of the PP time, that's with providing Selke level defense, that's with logging over 20 minutes per game. He has a wealth of experience both regular season and playoffs and again is only 23.
You think there's enough centers going around that "any team" would be looking to upgrade that type of package if they had him as their second best center lol? they'd be looking for a long time.
Are you out of your mind? Staal is an amazing #2 centre that can be a #1. When Johnasson is your #2 center you should'nt be talking about Staal. Secretly every caps fan wishs they had Staal on their team. Every fan wishs they had Staal on their team.
Staal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Johansso n AINEC
Any team that has Johansson as their 2C should be looking for a 2C
Nice ad hominem ya got there to top off the thread hi-jacking.
Anywho, I would rather not trade Setoguchi for spare parts at this point in time. As others have said, the only trade I would be happy with would make the other team's fans unhappy.
Please.
Any team that had Staal as their 2C would be looking for a 2C.
Staal was our #2 center for much of this season because of Crosby's injury and he left little to be desired. I didn't consider a #2 center a need even if Crosby didn't come back and I think that would be close to unanimous by Pens fans.
I mean, that statement..."on their top line"...hell, Pascal Dupuis, the resident "duct tape" of the Pens (literally used in every situation but goaltending), would be their best player.
This is just hilarious. Join date and pens fan explains it, but that statement right there is the epitome of Wild trade proposals on this board lol.
